[QUOTE=Darth_Juro]If you listened to Kreia and read the books you'd know that the True Sith were a species. They died out thousands of years ago. The Sith of now are more of followers of an ideal rather than a species.[/QUOTE]
I remember listening to tons of different people in different games telling me, "No, the Sith are not a race, it is a belief", and others saying that there was once a species by that name.
I remember references to areas of great dark power that appear in the galaxy, and that Malachor was one of them, leading many of Revan's followers to fall...
yuzhong vong in kotor 3?
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Why the Yuuzhan Vong could be a major threat in kotor 3.
I believe the Yuuzhan Vong could (not neccesarily will) be a major threat in kotor 3. Remember the "war" in kotor 2 against the sith was pretty much a secret war. Only a few people knew about it. Even Admiral Carth didn't know the whole story of what was going on. (and he probably knew more than most). So if the vong appear in kotor3 and the game takes place in the core worlds thean it still could be possible for the yuuzhan vong to be the games primary threat. The vong may only send an expeditionary force (possibly a single worldship) and that would still be a substantial threat. If the vong are encountered in kotor 3 and defeated The main yuuzhan vong would probably not bother sending any more forces to find them. That would explain why they are not seen for another 4000 years.
As for records of the yuuzhan vong in the time of the movies (and later). I find it hard to believe detailed records could survive 4000 years under normal conditions. The kotor games are not normal conditions. It is a time of war. Entire planets and civilizations are being destroyed (katar,taris,dantooine,etc.) Also you would have to assume detailed records were kept in the first place. Also keep in mind any records of the jedi that palpatine knew of or found he immediately destroyed. Also the records would have to survive through the old republic, the empire and the new republic. Also it is possible that the yuuzhan vong are encountered in kotor 3 outside the republic (where in the galaxy kotor3 will take place is a matter for another thread) so no records would exist in the republic to begin with.
All in all what I am saying is that it is possible for the yuuzhan vong to appear in kotor 3 as the main adversary. (not neccesarily that they will).
A little off topic here, but is the republic in the kotor games the same as in episodes 1,2,3? I cant remember if it falls or not.
I believe the Yuuzhan Vong could (not neccesarily will) be a major threat in kotor 3. Remember the "war" in kotor 2 against the sith was pretty much a secret war. Only a few people knew about it. Even Admiral Carth didn't know the whole story of what was going on. (and he probably knew more than most). So if the vong appear in kotor3 and the game takes place in the core worlds thean it still could be possible for the yuuzhan vong to be the games primary threat. The vong may only send an expeditionary force (possibly a single worldship) and that would still be a substantial threat. If the vong are encountered in kotor 3 and defeated The main yuuzhan vong would probably not bother sending any more forces to find them. That would explain why they are not seen for another 4000 years.
As for records of the yuuzhan vong in the time of the movies (and later). I find it hard to believe detailed records could survive 4000 years under normal conditions. The kotor games are not normal conditions. It is a time of war. Entire planets and civilizations are being destroyed (katar,taris,dantooine,etc.) Also you would have to assume detailed records were kept in the first place. Also keep in mind any records of the jedi that palpatine knew of or found he immediately destroyed. Also the records would have to survive through the old republic, the empire and the new republic. Also it is possible that the yuuzhan vong are encountered in kotor 3 outside the republic (where in the galaxy kotor3 will take place is a matter for another thread) so no records would exist in the republic to begin with.
All in all what I am saying is that it is possible for the yuuzhan vong to appear in kotor 3 as the main adversary. (not neccesarily that they will).
A little off topic here, but is the republic in the kotor games the same as in episodes 1,2,3? I cant remember if it falls or not.
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It is.A little off topic here, but is the republic in the kotor games the same as in episodes 1,2,3? I cant remember if it falls or not.
@ The Z: Let's remember that they also had absolutely no idea what a number of other speicies were... I mean, you never hear about the Mandalorians or Ithorians, or see any in the movies (which we confirmed) so for all we know they could have just been known as some sort of unknown enemy.
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@ The Z: Let's remember that they also had absolutely no idea what a number of other speicies were... I mean, you never hear about the Mandalorians or Ithorians, or see any in the movies (which we confirmed) so for all we know they could have just been known as some sort of unknown enemy.[/QUOTE]
Are we talking about the Vong or the Sith?
While I agree with you it's also worth noting that most of the expanded universe canon was added after the original trilogy. So no, they didn't know what Mandalorians were because they hadn't been created at that point.
@ The Z: Let's remember that they also had absolutely no idea what a number of other speicies were... I mean, you never hear about the Mandalorians or Ithorians, or see any in the movies (which we confirmed) so for all we know they could have just been known as some sort of unknown enemy.[/QUOTE]
Are we talking about the Vong or the Sith?
While I agree with you it's also worth noting that most of the expanded universe canon was added after the original trilogy. So no, they didn't know what Mandalorians were because they hadn't been created at that point.
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[QUOTE=The Z]Are we talking about the Vong or the Sith?
While I agree with you it's also worth noting that most of the expanded universe canon was added after the original trilogy. So no, they didn't know what Mandalorians were because they hadn't been created at that point.[/QUOTE]
Neither. I was merely mentioning that in a universe the size of Star Wars and the intricacies that have been created between the games, books and movies, anything is really possible. Who knows, perhaps the Vong had a different name around a different time in the KotOR universe. That does not make it possible, however.
Creation point had nothing to do with it. You also saw Devaronians but never heard the name. You never saw Gizka eveb through they were quite populus. They had toi make them all fit somehow, and how did they? They wiped out the mandalorians. Who knows if the Vong were not soundly crushed some time ago and then just decided to reappear some time later?
While I agree with you it's also worth noting that most of the expanded universe canon was added after the original trilogy. So no, they didn't know what Mandalorians were because they hadn't been created at that point.[/QUOTE]
Neither. I was merely mentioning that in a universe the size of Star Wars and the intricacies that have been created between the games, books and movies, anything is really possible. Who knows, perhaps the Vong had a different name around a different time in the KotOR universe. That does not make it possible, however.
Creation point had nothing to do with it. You also saw Devaronians but never heard the name. You never saw Gizka eveb through they were quite populus. They had toi make them all fit somehow, and how did they? They wiped out the mandalorians. Who knows if the Vong were not soundly crushed some time ago and then just decided to reappear some time later?
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[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]Neither. I was merely mentioning that in a universe the size of Star Wars and the intricacies that have been created between the games, books and movies, anything is really possible. Who knows, perhaps the Vong had a different name around a different time in the KotOR universe. That does not make it possible, however.
Creation point had nothing to do with it. You also saw Devaronians but never heard the name. You never saw Gizka eveb through they were quite populus. They had toi make them all fit somehow, and how did they? They wiped out the mandalorians. Who knows if the Vong were not soundly crushed some time ago and then just decided to reappear some time later?[/QUOTE]
Point taken.
If the developers were somehow able to make them fit without forcing it (if you know what I mean), I wouldn't be totally opposed. I just feel that before trying to get on to bigger and better things, it's important for whoever's making KotOR 3 to wrap up the cliff hanger that we're left with.
Creation point had nothing to do with it. You also saw Devaronians but never heard the name. You never saw Gizka eveb through they were quite populus. They had toi make them all fit somehow, and how did they? They wiped out the mandalorians. Who knows if the Vong were not soundly crushed some time ago and then just decided to reappear some time later?[/QUOTE]
Point taken.
If the developers were somehow able to make them fit without forcing it (if you know what I mean), I wouldn't be totally opposed. I just feel that before trying to get on to bigger and better things, it's important for whoever's making KotOR 3 to wrap up the cliff hanger that we're left with.
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I think the player has enough to deal with and they should wrap up all the loose ends before they get on to a whole new Empire to deal with that will probably just leave some more unanswered questions and plainly and simply i just dont like them
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[QUOTE=The Z]Point taken.
If the developers were somehow able to make them fit without forcing it (if you know what I mean), I wouldn't be totally opposed. I just feel that before trying to get on to bigger and better things, it's important for whoever's making KotOR 3 to wrap up the cliff hanger that we're left with.[/QUOTE]
as someone who would love to fight vong in a swkotr style game, the timeline seems so far off as to almost be implausible. perhaps there is some cool way to do the above, but i'm not hopeful. i'd rather see a "knights of the new jedi order" game w/ vong, and a kotor3 - as seperate games.
otoh imagine many people who play star wars games also read (how many thousands of pages of?) the new jedi order series we know the tricks, the backstory, the secret of the vong - and the heroes of that war. it would be difficult to script a walk on role for the pc big enough for myself as a player but small enough where the pc won't overshadow the solos & skywalkers of the books or the named personalities of the vong.
If the developers were somehow able to make them fit without forcing it (if you know what I mean), I wouldn't be totally opposed. I just feel that before trying to get on to bigger and better things, it's important for whoever's making KotOR 3 to wrap up the cliff hanger that we're left with.[/QUOTE]
as someone who would love to fight vong in a swkotr style game, the timeline seems so far off as to almost be implausible. perhaps there is some cool way to do the above, but i'm not hopeful. i'd rather see a "knights of the new jedi order" game w/ vong, and a kotor3 - as seperate games.
otoh imagine many people who play star wars games also read (how many thousands of pages of?) the new jedi order series we know the tricks, the backstory, the secret of the vong - and the heroes of that war. it would be difficult to script a walk on role for the pc big enough for myself as a player but small enough where the pc won't overshadow the solos & skywalkers of the books or the named personalities of the vong.
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More on yuuzhan vong (SPOILER!)
koz-ivan That is such a cool idea i'm ashamed I did'nt think of it myself. A new jedi order game done in a kotor style would be awesome!
I recently played through kotor2 again and at the end (SPOILER ALERT!) She does say that Revan went off to fight the true sith who revan believed were responsible for starting the mandalorian war in the first place. So it does seem increasingly unlikely that the vong will be in kotor3.
koz-ivan That is such a cool idea i'm ashamed I did'nt think of it myself. A new jedi order game done in a kotor style would be awesome!
I recently played through kotor2 again and at the end (SPOILER ALERT!) She does say that Revan went off to fight the true sith who revan believed were responsible for starting the mandalorian war in the first place. So it does seem increasingly unlikely that the vong will be in kotor3.
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i hate to be a critic but.....
First of all, let me say I love Star Wars and have since I first saw Empire on tv when I was little.
With that said I have to let the air out of this whole debate about the yuzhong vong and KOTOR 3. Everyone wants to debate timelines, why this or that can't be because this or that didn't happen until then.
I must take a moment to remind everyone that the Star Wars universe has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, and its mismatched pieces are loosely bound together in a fashion that makes bailing wire and duct tape look secure. Trying to put the two movie trilogies together is hardly seamless, let alone books, comics, and games. I could give examples for the next week on just things I've seen just in the games.
In other words, the designers don't care if it messes up the storyline, just as long as it sells. Us true fans have to just suck it up. try not to look at the whole story to closely, and enjoy pretending to be part of the Star Wars universe.
First of all, let me say I love Star Wars and have since I first saw Empire on tv when I was little.
With that said I have to let the air out of this whole debate about the yuzhong vong and KOTOR 3. Everyone wants to debate timelines, why this or that can't be because this or that didn't happen until then.
I must take a moment to remind everyone that the Star Wars universe has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, and its mismatched pieces are loosely bound together in a fashion that makes bailing wire and duct tape look secure. Trying to put the two movie trilogies together is hardly seamless, let alone books, comics, and games. I could give examples for the next week on just things I've seen just in the games.
In other words, the designers don't care if it messes up the storyline, just as long as it sells. Us true fans have to just suck it up. try not to look at the whole story to closely, and enjoy pretending to be part of the Star Wars universe.
When all else fails, try brute force.
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[QUOTE=lonewolf13]First of all, let me say I love Star Wars and have since I first saw Empire on tv when I was little.
With that said I have to let the air out of this whole debate about the yuzhong vong and KOTOR 3. Everyone wants to debate timelines, why this or that can't be because this or that didn't happen until then.
I must take a moment to remind everyone that the Star Wars universe has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, and its mismatched pieces are loosely bound together in a fashion that makes bailing wire and duct tape look secure. Trying to put the two movie trilogies together is hardly seamless, let alone books, comics, and games. I could give examples for the next week on just things I've seen just in the games.
In other words, the designers don't care if it messes up the storyline, just as long as it sells. Us true fans have to just suck it up. try not to look at the whole story to closely, and enjoy pretending to be part of the Star Wars universe.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. The only thing that didnt add up in the whole SW saga is when Mara Jade says the Emporer cut off Anakins hand. Other than that it seems, well, seamless. Then again, I dont read EVERY SW book either so . . .
George Lucas goes over and approves every EU book or game, by the way.
With that said I have to let the air out of this whole debate about the yuzhong vong and KOTOR 3. Everyone wants to debate timelines, why this or that can't be because this or that didn't happen until then.
I must take a moment to remind everyone that the Star Wars universe has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, and its mismatched pieces are loosely bound together in a fashion that makes bailing wire and duct tape look secure. Trying to put the two movie trilogies together is hardly seamless, let alone books, comics, and games. I could give examples for the next week on just things I've seen just in the games.
In other words, the designers don't care if it messes up the storyline, just as long as it sells. Us true fans have to just suck it up. try not to look at the whole story to closely, and enjoy pretending to be part of the Star Wars universe.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. The only thing that didnt add up in the whole SW saga is when Mara Jade says the Emporer cut off Anakins hand. Other than that it seems, well, seamless. Then again, I dont read EVERY SW book either so . . .
George Lucas goes over and approves every EU book or game, by the way.
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[QUOTE=ch85us2001]I disagree. The only thing that didnt add up in the whole SW saga is when Mara Jade says the Emporer cut off Anakins hand. Other than that it seems, well, seamless. Then again, I dont read EVERY SW book either so . . .
George Lucas goes over and approves every EU book or game, by the way. [/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to start an argument, or offend anyone with this or my previous posts. To be honest, I've never read a Star Wars novel, I have seen all the movies and played several games.
Let me give two examples from the movies that don't add up.
1. In New Hope Obi-Wan shows no sign of recognizing R2-D2 or C-3PO.
2. Here's a biggie. Padmaie dies right after Luke and Leia's birth in Revenge of The Sith. In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her REAL mother. Leia replies not much, but that she remembered her as being sad.
I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why I'm wrong on these observations, but until then you all will just have to accept that when you add new parts to an existing story, even one as great as SW, details get messed up.
George Lucas goes over and approves every EU book or game, by the way.
[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to start an argument, or offend anyone with this or my previous posts. To be honest, I've never read a Star Wars novel, I have seen all the movies and played several games.
Let me give two examples from the movies that don't add up.
1. In New Hope Obi-Wan shows no sign of recognizing R2-D2 or C-3PO.
2. Here's a biggie. Padmaie dies right after Luke and Leia's birth in Revenge of The Sith. In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her REAL mother. Leia replies not much, but that she remembered her as being sad.
I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why I'm wrong on these observations, but until then you all will just have to accept that when you add new parts to an existing story, even one as great as SW, details get messed up.
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[QUOTE=lonewolf13]I'm not trying to start an argument, or offend anyone with this or my previous posts. To be honest, I've never read a Star Wars novel, I have seen all the movies and played several games.
Let me give two examples from the movies that don't add up.
1. In New Hope Obi-Wan shows no sign of recognizing R2-D2 or C-3PO.
2. Here's a biggie. Padmaie dies right after Luke and Leia's birth in Revenge of The Sith. In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her REAL mother. Leia replies not much, but that she remembered her as being sad.
I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why I'm wrong on these observations, but until then you all will just have to accept that when you add new parts to an existing story, even one as great as SW, details get messed up.[/QUOTE]
The second one is messed up, as far as I know.
As for the first one, Ben had to play "innocent" (for lack of better term) in front of luke.
Yes, I believe SW has over 15 games, and probably over 50 EU books. Its hard to cooridinate that.
Personally, I didnt care for the Vong books. But thats just my Opinion.
You didnt offend me with your post, and I hope I didnt offend you.
Let me give two examples from the movies that don't add up.
1. In New Hope Obi-Wan shows no sign of recognizing R2-D2 or C-3PO.
2. Here's a biggie. Padmaie dies right after Luke and Leia's birth in Revenge of The Sith. In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her REAL mother. Leia replies not much, but that she remembered her as being sad.
I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why I'm wrong on these observations, but until then you all will just have to accept that when you add new parts to an existing story, even one as great as SW, details get messed up.[/QUOTE]
The second one is messed up, as far as I know.
As for the first one, Ben had to play "innocent" (for lack of better term) in front of luke.
Yes, I believe SW has over 15 games, and probably over 50 EU books. Its hard to cooridinate that.
Personally, I didnt care for the Vong books. But thats just my Opinion.
You didnt offend me with your post, and I hope I didnt offend you.
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Well, personally I think that True Sith will be men, I'm affraid. The whole thing with them being "True", is that they are truly following the path of Sith teaching's. You know, the whole strenght worship stuff, following passion and such. I doubt that the developer's of KotOR III will add something real fresh and new to the main plot. It is more likely that they will give us KotOR 2,5 but with bettter graphic. We shouldn't really hope for an awesome storyline, but some more pseudo-phylosophical stuff and more interaction with you're party member's.
P.S. I like to think like this, because it's better to be nicely surpised, than deeply disappointed.
P.S. I like to think like this, because it's better to be nicely surpised, than deeply disappointed.
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Okay, a few things about the Yuuzhan Vong. First off, it's not that they don't exist within the Force, it's that they don't exist in the normal way within the Force as the Jedi know it. Anakin Solo in one of the later books discovers that he can sense them by looking for them on a different "branch" of the Force (assuming that the Force as it is known is one branch of a greater tree). He has to use some sort of crystal of theirs to let him see the branch... if I recall correctly, he gets a hold of the crystal to fix his lightsaber and a little later discovers the other use for it.
Secondly, they don't actually originate outside of the Starwars galaxy, they simply left for several thousand years. Their homeworld is the living planet Zonama Sekot, which is somehow capable not only of speaking with visitors (such as the Jedi who find it in the New Jedi Order series) but also of travelling through hyperspace (with unpleasant effects on the ecosystem of the planet). The planet actually was visited by Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi before the Clone Wars and Anakin's fall to the darkside. Because it is capable of moving around, the planet is not well known, but there are some who know about it even after the Empire.
As far as people not knowning about the Vong before their invasion of the New Republic, that also is not exactly true. Most people didn't know about them, but a species living in the Unknown Region, the Chiss (Grand Admiral Thrawn is one of them, for those who've read the Thrawn Trilogy), were well aware of the threat and were actively working to keep the Vong from invading even before the rise of the New Republic.
If Kotor III were to take place away from the Core Worlds, and involve a war between nonRepublic forces and the Vong, it would certainly be possible to work it into canon. The only problem I see, doesn't involve the Republic, it involves the Vong themselves. In the NJO, they seemed to have only recently rediscovered the galaxy and actually thought it was a new one (sort of like Planet of the Apes, they left, they came back, they thought it was new), so I'm not completely sure how they would just "forget" for a few thousand years... maybe the Jedi Council could give them a mind wipe.
On the other hand, and I can't remember this exactly, I believe they were forced to leave their homeworld and even their home galaxy. If the battle in Kotor III was actually the one that made them leave in the first place, well, I suppose that could work.
Personally, I doubt that the Vong will have anything to do with the next game. Canderous mentions them in passing, sort of a little nod to the book series (which was still running at the time), nothing more. If we're lucky we'll see 'true' Sith (whatever that means) in the next game and they'll be just as scary looking as the Vong.
Secondly, they don't actually originate outside of the Starwars galaxy, they simply left for several thousand years. Their homeworld is the living planet Zonama Sekot, which is somehow capable not only of speaking with visitors (such as the Jedi who find it in the New Jedi Order series) but also of travelling through hyperspace (with unpleasant effects on the ecosystem of the planet). The planet actually was visited by Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi before the Clone Wars and Anakin's fall to the darkside. Because it is capable of moving around, the planet is not well known, but there are some who know about it even after the Empire.
As far as people not knowning about the Vong before their invasion of the New Republic, that also is not exactly true. Most people didn't know about them, but a species living in the Unknown Region, the Chiss (Grand Admiral Thrawn is one of them, for those who've read the Thrawn Trilogy), were well aware of the threat and were actively working to keep the Vong from invading even before the rise of the New Republic.
If Kotor III were to take place away from the Core Worlds, and involve a war between nonRepublic forces and the Vong, it would certainly be possible to work it into canon. The only problem I see, doesn't involve the Republic, it involves the Vong themselves. In the NJO, they seemed to have only recently rediscovered the galaxy and actually thought it was a new one (sort of like Planet of the Apes, they left, they came back, they thought it was new), so I'm not completely sure how they would just "forget" for a few thousand years... maybe the Jedi Council could give them a mind wipe.
On the other hand, and I can't remember this exactly, I believe they were forced to leave their homeworld and even their home galaxy. If the battle in Kotor III was actually the one that made them leave in the first place, well, I suppose that could work.
Personally, I doubt that the Vong will have anything to do with the next game. Canderous mentions them in passing, sort of a little nod to the book series (which was still running at the time), nothing more. If we're lucky we'll see 'true' Sith (whatever that means) in the next game and they'll be just as scary looking as the Vong.
[QUOTE=Fierce]Well, personally I think that True Sith will be men, I'm affraid. The whole thing with them being "True", is that they are truly following the path of Sith teaching's. You know, the whole strenght worship stuff, following passion and such. I doubt that the developer's of KotOR III will add something real fresh and new to the main plot. It is more likely that they will give us KotOR 2,5 but with bettter graphic. We shouldn't really hope for an awesome storyline, but some more pseudo-phylosophical stuff and more interaction with you're party member's.
P.S. I like to think like this, because it's better to be nicely surpised, than deeply disappointed. [/QUOTE]
While I fear that you are probably right, I don't see how a bunch of guys "truely" following the ways of the Sith would make them any different than the Sith everyone knows about. Those guys are pretty passionate about the whole stregth thing. I mean, its not like the Sith are running around asking people to tea parties or anything.
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong... I'll most likely buy the game either way, and just overlook any annoyance I have with it until later that night when I'm crying myself to sleep over what might have been.
P.S. I like to think like this, because it's better to be nicely surpised, than deeply disappointed.
[/QUOTE]While I fear that you are probably right, I don't see how a bunch of guys "truely" following the ways of the Sith would make them any different than the Sith everyone knows about. Those guys are pretty passionate about the whole stregth thing. I mean, its not like the Sith are running around asking people to tea parties or anything.
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong... I'll most likely buy the game either way, and just overlook any annoyance I have with it until later that night when I'm crying myself to sleep over what might have been.
[QUOTE=lonewolf13]I'm not trying to start an argument, or offend anyone with this or my previous posts. To be honest, I've never read a Star Wars novel, I have seen all the movies and played several games.
Let me give two examples from the movies that don't add up.
1. In New Hope Obi-Wan shows no sign of recognizing R2-D2 or C-3PO.
2. Here's a biggie. Padmaie dies right after Luke and Leia's birth in Revenge of The Sith. In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her REAL mother. Leia replies not much, but that she remembered her as being sad.
I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why I'm wrong on these observations, but until then you all will just have to accept that when you add new parts to an existing story, even one as great as SW, details get messed up.[/QUOTE]
I won't say that you are wrong, necessarily, those probably are just screw ups, but after twenty years, in a galaxy filled with droids that all look very similar (there are several C-3PO-looking droids in the movies, and pleny of astromech droids as well) it's probably forgivable for Kenobi not to recognize them right away (he wasn't exactly found of them in the prequel trilogy).
As for Leia's memory... maybe she was just sooooo strong in the force, that she could remember tragic things like her mother's death... of course that doesn't really explain it, Lucas just screwed up (even though tons of people were saying that Revenge of the Sith needed to answer both of those questions you brought up).
However, things like people's memories aren't the same as history. History gets screwed up all the time, things are forgotten, things are changed, villians become heroes and vice versa. Humans really have very little idea what happened a thousand years ago on this one little planet, imagine trying to keep track of something as big as a whole galaxy worth of history.
Let me give two examples from the movies that don't add up.
1. In New Hope Obi-Wan shows no sign of recognizing R2-D2 or C-3PO.
2. Here's a biggie. Padmaie dies right after Luke and Leia's birth in Revenge of The Sith. In Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia what she remembers about her REAL mother. Leia replies not much, but that she remembered her as being sad.
I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why I'm wrong on these observations, but until then you all will just have to accept that when you add new parts to an existing story, even one as great as SW, details get messed up.[/QUOTE]
I won't say that you are wrong, necessarily, those probably are just screw ups, but after twenty years, in a galaxy filled with droids that all look very similar (there are several C-3PO-looking droids in the movies, and pleny of astromech droids as well) it's probably forgivable for Kenobi not to recognize them right away (he wasn't exactly found of them in the prequel trilogy).
As for Leia's memory... maybe she was just sooooo strong in the force, that she could remember tragic things like her mother's death... of course that doesn't really explain it, Lucas just screwed up (even though tons of people were saying that Revenge of the Sith needed to answer both of those questions you brought up).
However, things like people's memories aren't the same as history. History gets screwed up all the time, things are forgotten, things are changed, villians become heroes and vice versa. Humans really have very little idea what happened a thousand years ago on this one little planet, imagine trying to keep track of something as big as a whole galaxy worth of history.