out of curiostiy...whats so great bout the DS?

Suicide Girl · Post by **Suicide Girl** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:48 am

[QUOTE=yoyopogo104]thinkin more on this, i wonder how jedi like revan and malak came to be. were they born of jedi? surely, their births werent the divinely conceived sort. then anakin wouldnt seem so prodigal. "holo news: jedi are popping out of nowhere, literally! we asked Paren T. Less, a jedi sentinel from coruscant, 'who are your birth parents?' 'honestly, i dont think I ever had any,' he claims. hm...thats what they all say now-a-days...more on this story latter when things become more clear."[/QUOTE]

That cracked me up. Poor Paren T. Less dude... But, yeah, I thought about it, too, and Revan would really fit in that Anakin-Skywalker-kind-of story.

But on the note of the original question... I always play Light Side. Why? Well, I'm one of the few who actually adore long conversations, I like finishing all the quests, talking to all the people, finding out every little tidbit of information I can get my greedy little hands on. But apart from that personal geek gain, playing LS is so much more fulfilling. I'm not really enjoying myself when I run around screaming "Aaarrgh leave me alone you worms I'll crush you with my awesome DS powers grrrwwaaarrrgghhhh I hate you all POWER!!!!!..." You get the picture.

And I don't find myself at any loss regarding powers. I'm quite happy with Stasis, Destroy Droid, Force Wave, and old faithful Heal. Sure, when I don't know what to choose, I can always take Storm or Kill and suffer the little penalty, but in battles I usually Stasify the opponents, hack and slash away, and have a darksider electrocute them with Storm all the while. Wow. Putting it like this, I am cruel.

I play LS because I love all the little people. And deep down I strongly believe in happy endings.

But as to the whole Sith Philosophy vs. Jedi Philosophy vs. Grey Side Philosophy discussion... I guess I'd see it from Jolee's point of view. Grrwaarggh Kill Kill Kill darksiders are annoying, and so are preachy lightsider Jedi. Both the Codes are a bit doubtful. I'd go light side to the end (when you reach the glow and little stars, probably the Jedi equivalent of an aureola

), but I'd stay human, as good old Revan so rightly put it.

Since I haven't finished KotOR II yet, I don't know much about the 'questions' some of you have mentioned, but I remember the way my faith was shaken back when I faced Bastila on the Rakatan Temple Summit. And Malak's departing words hit me deeply. Kudos to KotOR, it's really not as plastic and black-and-white as some other SW franchise expansions, or indeed the original movies.

Nihilus · Post by **Nihilus** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:12 am

The eternal struggle of good and evil - yes, it's that time of the year again..

Seriously though, I have issues about playing a straight-out dark sider too (and I'm kindda happy to see that others do too, makes me more comfortable with the future of the world, ya know?). That said, I forced myself to all the way dark side in Kotor I, because I never tried it. kotor II I was good.

Here's the problem. The good guys (in Kotor the Jedi), are too goody-goody (and come on, you have to admit this, even though the game occasionally reminds us that "the jedi are not good, they are neutral").

Then why not dark side - they are infinitly cooler IMP (sith lord... ssssith lord... it even sounds cool - I mean Darth Vader or little Luke from a backwater planet) Why not - because no-one really can do it, in the end - me included.

I made my own home-made solution, to play every RPG (not including kotor I) as a "grim good guy, that's really, well, grim n' stuff - not to mention cool, and not doing it for the praise and the glory and generally for being goody-goody. ( a horrible kliché I know).
But the problem is, this is forced down upon you isn't it? In the game, NPC's say zany stuff like "you saved us great hero", and you mutter under your breath "yeah, but I'm still cool and detached.. n' stuff - go away silly person" (whereafter you go over to the local smith/shopkeeper/bartender to say something really mean to compensate)

The game that finds a solution to this, is bound to be a winner.

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:59 pm

back to that question on where jedi come from, they are born liek normal people to normal parents, some people are born more sensitive to the force than others, thety arent a specific race. the jedis find these people and trian them to be the next gen of jedis.

and to stay on topic: what is so great abotu DS is for those of us who dont realy like long conversations, and for those of us who dont like... people, we have ways tog et around both of hose things.

Darth_Juro · Post by **Darth_Juro** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:10 am

I luv being dark side...nothing greater then listening to someone's sob story about them being betrayed(kotor I) then turning on them...or twisting someone's ideals and dreams into nothing and having them follow your every command, or walking down the street and some drunks(kotorI) hassle you..you kill them. Cause I mean come on seriously why be a wimp and let people walk all over you when you have the power to shape the entire course of history

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:00 pm

Well, although I typically end up staying away from the darkside while playing these games, I always find that path useful for some quick credits, and shorter conversations about quests that you would rather not deal with.

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:47 pm

After reading three pages of this discusion I noticed that most of the people who like playing DS when asked why answer simply: "because DS had better powers" which I find rather narowminded (my sincere apology and respect for those few who gave another reason).

I really, really blame Bioware for this.

They did a very bad job (actually they did a terrible job) in transfering Star Wars RPG to computers, which is suprising considering they did a great job with D&D 3E in Neverwinter Nights. So why did they mess up KotoR (rules wise)?

Even better question: Why did WotC allow them to mess up KotoR like that?

Not to mention that both KotoR games are extremly unbalanced, and once you get your lightsaber the game become soo easy that it made me cry (and it get even easier if you play DS). That is not what I want when I play a RPG game.

If you ever played Star Wars RPG you know that Force powers are really rather ballanced (or the LS had some advantage, but that advantage is very slight) and allmost all of the powers are universal and open to both Jedi and Sith.

As far as philosophy goes, I agree that Sith philosophy may sound (and usually do) better in the eras before Revenge of the Sith (and for a lot of time afterwards, untill NJO series), but now, following NJO series Jedi are really scary and some of them do things that not even Palpatine at the hight of his power dared do. I really, really like the new Jedi. Much more that Jedi of old - there is no way Palpatine would get to power if old order have philosophy current order is following, which is more or less "everything goes as long as I'm true to myself".

Bastila_Shan · Post by **Bastila_Shan** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:50 am

I'm more of a lightsider thn a dark sider. I can't seem to harm people but I have a fasination for the greatside of the force it seems to remain on the grey side of the force you have too do some good and some bad I guess to keep equal.

labonte18 · Post by **labonte18** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:00 am

Darkside in Kotor I sucked in my opinion. I mean, the things you had to do and say in Kotor I to get DS points weren't of a sith lord, more like some punk teenager. The Darkside ending sucked too, I absolutly loved the Lightside ending, It was very much like what we would see in the movies. I expected much more from the darkside ending though, like a huge Hitler rally with millions of soilders and an actual rebirth of Darth Revan (Mask included). Not less then 100 soilders who start chanting "All hail Darth Revan", that made me want to plug my ears it was so bad.

I know in one of the movies Yoda says somthing like "Don't choose the quick and easy path, it is that path to the darkside" And i love how these Kotor games stay true to that, so I feel like i've accomplished much more by choosing the light side.

Suicide Girl · Post by **Suicide Girl** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:21 am

Now I know exactly why I hate the Dark Side...

Because, if you played KotOR as a darksider, you probably killed off most of your party members. Ergo, they could not all have returned in KotOR II (even in cameo appearances). Not to mention the two different endings to the KotOR storyline, because of which we could not find out just how Revan ended up after KotOR II, and add the storyline of KotOR II as well...

I'm ranting. What I'm trying to say is, the Dark Side is evil because it almost completely destroys the chance of hearing anything about most of our beloved characters in KotOR III. And it'll make it pretty tricky to round up and finish Revan and the Exile's story in a way that will make both the light and the darksiders happy. Not to mention that the Dark Side is so througly rottenly evil!

Erm. What I'm trying to say is, there is nothing great about the Dark Side. It's the DS's fault I might never see Jolee again.

Ugh. See what happens when you try to ramble while overwhelmed with nostalgia? Apologies.

Thran Baill · Post by **Thran Baill** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:07 am

I don't agree at all that the DS has better powers...why? As a LS with high enough force point regen and a high force point maximum, it doesn't matter what powers you use. You won't drain your force abilities. As a LS player, I always take force storm to compliment my other abilities. You're also not restricted to use any certain powers based on alignment. You don't suffer a loss or gain in opposite alignment points when using a DS power.

It would be nice if at some point in the game, say around level 10 or so, that you are given the choice to really take either the path of the Sith, the Jedi, or the Grey path. Since it's a "role playing game" part of the fun would be playing that part, while adding your own character traits.

I also had a hard time playing the DS in either game, it made me very uncomfortable...though you get used to it. I've mostly done it just to see the DS dialogue and cut scenes, as sell as the ending. I'm about 1 hour away of playing time from beating KOTOR 2 for the first time as a DS player, so i'm looking forward to the ending differences.

I think this aspect of the game could really be flushed out a bit more in the next intstallment. As I mentioned before, the idea of having to play "in character" might add a bit more of a dynamic to the game...as acting the opposite could have repercussions with your "peer" jedi or sith. And of course, being a grey jedi would have it's own advantages and opportunities. Also the interactions of your party could then be more dynamic.

I find it heartening though that almost everyone here has said the don't like playing the DS...says something about people.

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:39 am

I can't play DS cos I'll feel guilty :S

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:35 am

Personally i stick with neutral because it's a bit of both but i have tried all three with both genders and i find if i go DS all the way i get more cash and experience.

Alcina · Post by **Alcina** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:01 pm

My answer to the original question is that I play DS because of a genuine belief that the DS, as depicted in the SW films, is the right path. Unfortunately, the actions that give you DSPs in KOTOR are not, usually, very much like the DS as it is depicted in the SW films. There's a character somewhere in KOTOR1 who says something like 'Personally, I never saw why Dark Side should be considered the same as mindless thug', and I think that sums it up well. Nevertheless, while my own nature often urges me to kind acts, I can't bear to do them in KOTOR because I can't bear getting LS points.

[edited to remove unintended rudeness]

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:46 pm

I dont think i strayed from the original question i was explaining why the DS is so great cause they get more experience and cash other then that i prefer neutral.

Alcina · Post by **Alcina** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:59 am

[QUOTE=marten0305]I dont think i strayed from the original question i was explaining why the DS is so great cause they get more experience and cash other then that i prefer neutral.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had! I meant to imply 'I'm replying to the original question, not marten0305". Sorry if I inadvertantly offended you.

I agree with you about the cash! One of the main drawbacks that makes Lightside difficult on the first planet or two is that I usually don't have enough cash for all the missions, what with paying other people's debts and refusing rewards to get all the LSPs I want. It would be very helpful if in KOTOR3 the amount of money you recieved for quests and items was greater if you had been doing LS things recently

And with the XP: the main drawback of LS is that you can't use the infinite hsiss. Well, I guess you can, but it must require a lot of medpacks and a lot of patience.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:29 pm

A little OT here, but Jedi do not actually reproduce themsleves in most cases, if I remember correctly. Jedi are children found by the order to have an increased affinity for feeling the force.

x_ray619 · Post by **x_ray619** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:36 pm

DS is way better

I was reading some of the ppls forums about the light side/ darkside thing and I don't see how ppl would like the LS better. First of all you take ppls money instead of giving it away which is so much better down the road in that game. You also got to make sure what you say and you gotta make sure you just sit there and kiss somebodies ass on the light side. On the dark side you can say w/e the hell you want. And I rather kill ppl then I protect ppl. I just like killing ppl for the fun of it and taking their items. I have no guilt in doing it. I don't see why any of you ppl would. I think its pathetic.

yoyopogo104 · Post by **yoyopogo104** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:05 pm

whoa, nelly!

i think the only reason some of us would feel guilty is because we have a conscience of right and wrong. pathetic or not, its human nature (for some of us, i guess...

)

as for the whole credit thing...have u ever tried pazzak? how about swoop racing? they give u way more credits than killing people, im pretty sure. sure, its not always easy, but who wants to play an easy game?

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:51 am

Alcina: You never offended me i was just making sure that you knew i wasn't straying from the topic sorry if i ahd sound offended. I agree with your idea but with certain changes like maybe instead of getting better cash depending on how much LS points, the rewards are greater but not cash but items and the DS gets cash, and for XP LS gets more XP per quest, kills, and anything else thats gets XP. But DS gets more XP by gettinr more kills and DS stuff that should even out the XP and rewards for DS and LS.

Hill-Shatar: It's against the Jedi code to love (Anakin and Padme) so they cant reproduce. (even know it happens alot in the novels

)

x ray619: personally i like neutral because i get to chose what i want to do without worrying if i'm gonna get more DS points or LS points. I just like to play how i want to play. But with LS the player gets more characters, DS gets more XP.

yoyopogo104: i agree with you without any objection. Pazaak is chance sometimes you win sometimes you lose put it is one of the best ways to make money. Swoop races are another good way to earn money but you have to have quick reflexes. if it wasnt difficult it wouldn't be fun or interesting.

x_ray619 · Post by **x_ray619** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:22 pm

To yoyopogo

Yea, you might not get a lot more credits for killing ppl on the dark side than just playing the light side but you lose a lot more money on the light side for giving it away to ppl and I rather gain money than lose money any day and you get a lot more XP on the DS which means you'll be stronger. And to marten it is aight to play neutral but you also get less options to do down the road and you don't get Visas with you. Some may say that it aint a big deal but its nice to have her, and you dont get many jedi and it takes a while to get Atton to become a jedi and I hate handmaiden, I think she sux.