Point and CLick or 3D?

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Alrighty, now with Diablo 3 a thought in existance, which it prolly has been for a while, curious what you think the game should be like.

The classic point and click style dungeon crawl, or a 3D Action RPG a little more like Dungeon Siege 2 per se; what do you all think it should be?

Me personally, I love the simplicity of point and click and how addicting diablo 2 made it with just that, so I go for that. However, if they added say a jump in the game, for puzzles and such, even with point and click that'd be pretty awesome.

So, whatcha all think it should be, P&C or 3D?

Tetsumaru · Post by **Tetsumaru** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:36 pm

it has to be point and click, anything else would ruin the Diablo series style of gaming.

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:53 am

I would prefer the old point and click -system. The reasons are that firstly because the D1 and D2 were such, so the third one should also be, and due the fact that 3D will surely need a lots of power from computer, which I do not have. I can not run most todays 3D games in my comp, since those needs a lot of power from computer.

But, even though I want it to be the old, I can say almost say for sure that it's going to be 3D, since that's the trend today. Everything must be 3D.

Obi-Wan-Evan · Post by **Obi-Wan-Evan** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:56 pm

I'm all in for the point and click. Anything else is just not Diablo.

Kahlan · Post by **Kahlan** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:16 am

I think that point and click would be the best and most recognized option. I'm not too worried though as Blizzard has never let us down (Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft). Either way, point and click or 3D, I'm sure DIII is going to be a great installment to the Diablo franchise.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:10 pm

Hopefully they even decide to make it, as it is still a rumor. I look forward to that decision.

FireLighter · Post by **FireLighter** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:17 pm

I think it will be Point and Click as anything else just isnt diablo as mentioned above.

Although Im not so sure they will make it as Im still waiting for a starcraft 2 :speech:

Razimus · Post by **Razimus** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:03 pm

2D 3RD PERSPECTIVE is far superior to 3d in all ways possible...

seriously, I despise 3d, I kick butt at them, but they are lame, my processor has to be 50 billion gigahertz and my 3dfx videocard has to have 10 trillion gigs of seperate memory? I'll take a 2d game any day...... they are classics but it doesn't mean they have to be obsolete, I prefer them. anyway has anyone seen
this diablo III box cover? I don't know if it's fake or prototype or what looks like tal rasha on the font.

http://spacetimenews.com/misc/diablo3.jpg

--- Razimus

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:51 am

Razimus, no worries man, but please avoide profanities. Again, no worries.

FireLighter · Post by **FireLighter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:03 pm

Considering that diablo 3 has not been announced I'd say that the cover is fake, also because it looks like it was photoshopped by a 6 year old.

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:48 am

[QUOTE=FireLighter]Considering that diablo 3 has not been announced I'd say that the cover is fake, also because it looks like it was photoshopped by a 6 year old.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry Razimus, but I must agree with the above.
As for the 3D or Point&Click, can anyone mention any "good" games made recently which is not 3D but Point&Click?? I can not think any, and as I said before, it seems to be trend today that everything must be 3D: RPGs, RTS, Adventures...

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:52 am

Let's see...

Dragonshard is point and click.
Xmen Legends 2 is a decent version, though not the best game.

meh, a couple of examples.

Also, next time, firelighter, you post something that says the "image is bad," please word it a bit more carefully as not to offend people. Thank you.

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:55 pm

Siberys wrote:Let's see...

Dragonshard is point and click.
Xmen Legends 2 is a decent version, though not the best game.

meh, a couple of examples.

Okay, I admit, I was wrong on that one

Also, next time you post something that says the "image is bad," please word it a bit more carefully as not to offend people. Thank you.

Just to make sure, this was aimed to me?
If so, firstly I apologize if it was offending.

Secondly, as FireLighter already mentioned, since there is no official word that D3 is under working, it's quite obvious that there wont be any official images of the cover either. Also, the image wasn't so good in quality, and if it actually was official, the I think it would have been alot better.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:12 pm

No, woops. Not at you Kipi. It was towards Firelighter as the whole "6 year old" bit was a flame. Sorry for the confusion.

Shagsbeard · Post by **Shagsbeard** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:39 am

The one thing that Blizard is known best for is inovation. I predict that DIII will be a somewhat revolutionary style of gaming, or it wont be published. Comparing it to standards of today is really pointless as Bliz is known best for setting standards, not following them.

Piff · Post by **Piff** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:46 pm

[QUOTE=Kipi]I'm sorry Razimus, but I must agree with the above.
As for the 3D or Point&Click, can anyone mention any "good" games made recently which is not 3D but Point&Click?? I can not think any, and as I said before, it seems to be trend today that everything must be 3D: RPGs, RTS, Adventures...[/QUOTE]

I'll add a few more:

NWN: THough not new it still was a good point and click game
Rome Total War: Very Point and click style

Cant remember anymore at this moment so i'll leave it at that.

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:54 am

Piff wrote:I'll add a few more:

NWN: THough not new it still was a good point and click game

There are IMO two problems with NwN in this discussion:
1) It has been around some time now, and thus can we count it as "new game" in this discussion?
2) I would still put it under 3D gategory, since you can freely rotate the camera around character, zoom in and out freely and so on...

Rome Total War: Very Point and click style

That's true, but it's also from different genre

I was talking about RPGs, not RTSs
sorry if I didn't make it clear enough

moltovir · Post by **moltovir** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:50 am

Why should there be a difference between 3D and point and click? Games like Dungeon Siege or NwN are both point and click and 3D, so I don't understand what this whole discussion is about. Why should it be impossible for a 3D game to use the point and click concept? As for the 2D vs 3D discussion, I'm definitely pro 3D. Making D3 in 2D would be like making another expansion for D2, which is not what I'm waiting for (can you still follow me on the abbreviations?

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Vhan Tiegros · Post by **Vhan Tiegros** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:59 pm

I would like to see 3D. World is just more interactive that way. However, the catch would probably be crappy summons. They'd need to write awesome summon AI for me to enjoy 3D to the max. 2D summons are easy to make effective, but a lot of 3D games fail to make them well. Dungeon Lords did an awesome job with their summons, I just wish they moved faster. At anyrate... 3D would be fun. I like the look, the increased involvement, and all the possible things they could do with the plot to get you really immersed in the 3D world.

tombc · Post by **tombc** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:04 am

Look at how Starcraft II's new graphics theme has been tainted by the blocky, cartoon-style WoW and runescape reminiscent appearance of an MMO. It's my fear that with the release of a three dimensional Diablo III world we will again be subjected to this awful scheme.

Not only would the dark, brooding and evil ambience of the first two titles be lost in such a decision, but also the series' originality and uniqueness. Those scary as **** monsters, bosses, maps shrouded in seeping corruption and decay would be transformed instantly into a laughable matter. The one outstanding aspect of the first two titles for me was the pure atmosphere it enveloped the player whithin, excercising this darkness in nearly every aspect of the visuals. I mean, seriously people, do you want to see those crowds of monsters all disjsunctively hobbling towards you in what appears to be a dark mass of runescape characters? No thanks Blizzard, both atmospheric and gameplay properties would be lost in seconds.

I'm no expert on the technicality of three dimensional graphics, but surely with the introduction of three dimensions to the game we would lose the original semi-procedurally generated maps? If the diablo universe were to become a set, 3D landscape (again, instantly destroying atmospherics) it would be simply another WoW, just a little darker perhaps.

The maps and their clever disposition in the previous two titles were another great aspect I enjoyed to the full, not knowing where leads where, and to what and how. Three dimensions would deny this explorative aspect of the gameplay, and once again ruin the ambience of the game, placing the player in a position where he/she is comfortably aware of his surroundings and surrounding enemies' positions. Diablo and Diablo II were scary in the sense that you never knew what was coming your way on a fresh map, again adding to the ambience of mystery and darkness that shrouded the two titles.

Playing WoW for me is an absolute bore for more reasons than just it's poor appearance. I truly despise the 'click to attack' functionality of gameplay. It lacks any sort of involvment and action, and considerably takes away from the controllability of the attack and it's dynamic possibilites of its own disposal. If Diablo III were to be released in any such a fashion, I would certainly throw myself off a cliff. Hack and slash fits alongside those hoardes of approaching monsters in perfect unison. It's fiendish frequency allows the player more realism, in the sense that he is hacking and slashing away at each enemy innacurately and choosably. After all, in reality would this not be the case? Three dimensions, again would destroy the game's charm. Hack and slash in 3D would be purely a hellgate: london scenario, just another action game. Well **** that. I'm not going to accept the tacky layout and functionality of any such a form of gameplay, and I repeat once more my possible intentions of throwing myself off a cliff (or into blizzard HQ with great force) if this were to be the case.

Blizzard have a lot to live up to, especially since the first two titles have been so highly acclaimed (some, myself amongst them, stating Diablo II the greatest video game of all time) and that the new team probably lacks the genius and extraordinary imagination of the original development team. I reckon they can better this, and release an absolute gem of a game. I just hope they don't have intentions of acheiving this cheaply via more 'modern' aspects of gameplay, such as three dimensional visuals. After all, Diablo III shouldn't just be another 3D Action-RPG should it? Blizz are better than that