Bastila and Revan Fans: How would you want to have them back in KotOR III?

xa-r01 · Post by **xa-r01** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:20 am

Have anyone here ever heard a little thing called Kotor Tool or Kotor Savegame Editor? just in case you're not, savegame of kotor store many things, including quest, names, gender, inventory, LS/DS points, bastila killed or not, etc.

If Kotor III is using the same engine or even a new one, it can still read the needed data from the savegames and continue the story from there. The important things are gender and face right? So, just updated the face from Kotor I and II into new texture for the new engine, along with new original faces if needed.

As for LS/DS, I already told you in my previous post. Just assume Revan get LS ending so the story didn't become complicated just because DS ending you get on Kotor I. I mean seriously people, if we continue the story of revan from the point of DS ending, that will become a whole new story far apart from story continued from LS ending. Very different, like 2 alternate realities. Reborn of the old republic OR Reborn of the Sith Empire? since DS Revan and Bastila along with Star Forge are invincible.
And just because KotorIII assume you get LS ending that didn't mean you can't start the game as dark side Revan. You still have your LS/DS points and offcourse your Sith face.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:03 pm

I've heard a few different and good arguments but i still stand by my idea and have a few arguments about the different ones.

xa-r01: it is a great idea but they would have to take away from the character creation, and the character creation is one of the best parts of the game but because they didn't follow Revan's story in 2 now they got all the unanwered questions like what and who is the True Sith and what is going on in the outer rim etc..., so i think disagree and agree.

x ray619: the player can load what saved game they want to load up, because they must have more then one saved game data if they dont then they need to experience the game right through all the aspects LS and DS male and female.

Supacat: just the events that happened not the rules not the engine geez guys (and gals) use your imagination, whose dead or alive what you did through your story etc...

xa-r01: first what about the x-box players i don think they have a kotor tool or savegame edit tool.
second like i said above they could still use the previous game data so i agree with you there.
last if you continue from previous data then that would decide the LS/DS, male/female, facial features etc... so that solves everything. (i hope)

x_ray619 · Post by **x_ray619** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:08 am

Loading Your Saved Game

I don't even think they're gonna make it so you load your game over. I have a feeling they're gonna do the same thing they did KOTOR 2 and just ask you questions or something like you did with Atton at the beginning to figure out the plot.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:45 pm

Yeah i think your right people can make all the arguments they wont i dont think its gonna make a difference they probably will ask a bunch of questions that will define the plot of the game however i would still like to see alignment choice or previous data load.

x_ray619 · Post by **x_ray619** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:05 pm

Loading Your Saved Game

Yea which i think is really dumb cuz i think more ppl would enjoy the game if they did it the loaded thing way.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:07 pm

most of the players seem to like the loading idea! I think it would be stupid not to use the idea and make everybody happy. Cause if they like the idea or not when it comes time to play they will end up satisfied.

Quinlan · Post by **Quinlan** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:09 am

revan wold be imposible to reintroduce in the game. the best solution for the i love revan thing wold be killing him. that wold bring a very profound regret to the revan fans thus giving the game a note of sadness.

bastila wold certently be in the game. she wold have to be a little older. and her personality something between the young bastila and kreya. she wold probably be playable, but that's just me. I think mandalore (canderous) will be unplayable but in the game... something like carth onasi becoming admiral. hk47 (my favorite) will have to be in the game, and the little one. and I hope bigZ is going to come back cuz I miss him

Kailiebe · Post by **Kailiebe** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:00 pm

What? Revan die? Noo!

Revan has to be in KotOR II because KotOR II was building up something- something to do with Revan!

I reckon the only way he'll die is if the script writers give up trying to make an intreesting story.

Quinlan · Post by **Quinlan** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:24 am

[QUOTE=Kailiebe]What? Revan die? Noo!
Revan has to be in KotOR II because KotOR II was building up something- something to do with Revan!
I reckon the only way he'll die is if the script writers give up trying to make an intreesting story.[/QUOTE]

kotor II did build up something... it made all of u go "ooo, revan's my hero... he has to be in kotor III... i'll die if he isn't". don't try so to be a lamer man. think a little. the olny way u can have revan back is by using the face skins used back in kotor I and retexture them to make revan a little more older. but will he have to be good... or bad... or change again from good to bad... or maybe make him lord of the sith and give him a army... why not make kotor a rts. u can start with milions of possibilities for revan to be in kotor III, but none of them will fit to what the game wants to be. a true kotor game.

if reven will be in the game it will be like transforming kotor into a adventure tipe game... not a rpg.

it's simple ti kill revan and it adds a tragic taste to the storyline. if u all love revan so much I can only imagine the xpressions on your faces ("revan's dead... buhuhuuuu"). and if u follow this in a logic way --- u had a lightside revan in kotor I and in kotor II u found out revan returns to finish of the sith... the same sith that made him turn to the dark side. don't u think they will kill him for betraying the sith and not destroying the republic. it's the same thing if u played darkside.

i'm as certain that revan will die in kotor III (if there will b one) as I was (and everybody else) certain anakin wold get trashed in episode III

revan's death is inevitable

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:28 pm

Ok first Quinlan weren't you all about originality back in the other thread?! And i think the only previous characters to return as playables should be HK, T3,and the Ebon Hawk (i think if the ship as a character know even know it isn't

) if they bring back anyother previous characters to join the crew i think the player should beable to choose not to except them in the crew.

And i feel the only way that Revan could come back is as a corpse. (i like Revan but he had a far too important role in the first one to return)

p.s. Quinlan is starting to come off as a pessimist. no offence intended

Kailiebe · Post by **Kailiebe** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:35 am

Fine! So it will be damn hard for Revan to come back.

Then you're right, he should die, but those script writers had better give him an amazing and violent finish ...which Bastila can share with him.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:21 am

[QUOTE=Quinlan]kotor II did build up something... it made all of u go "ooo, revan's my hero... he has to be in kotor III... i'll die if he isn't". don't try so to be a lamer man. think a little.[/QUOTE]

I am sure they were thinking quite clearly when they were posting.

[QUOTE=marten0305]p.s. Quinlan is starting to come off as a pessimist. no offence intended[/QUOTE]

Why do you feel so inclined as to post this? Who are you telling? I think both of you are getting a little hot under the collar, and perhaps should take a quick look-over of the first forum rule:

#1 - Flaming, humiliating, ridiculing, or belittling other members will not be tolerated. If you have an issue with another member, take it to private messages or email.

From what I see, there was, in no way, any movement to remove Revan from the plotline itself by killing him/her. Considering that Revan was famous for wearing the mask and altering his/her voice, it is quite possible for that player to reappear as an NPC of some importance.

[QUOTE=Quinlan]why not make kotor a rts. u can start with milions of possibilities for revan to be in kotor III, but none of them will fit to what the game wants to be. a true kotor game.[/QUOTE]

I am not quite sure what you mean by this, but the KotOR series was originally an RPG. Do you really think a company would think it worth it to leap over into a genre the companies making this game have tested very little, at all, to my knowledge? By companies I meant the developer's of the past two games.

If you meant a true Knights of the Old Republic, than you are voicing a preference, not what they should do if the game was to be a great Knights of the Old Republic.

[QUOTE=Quinlan]out revan returns to finish of the sith... the same sith that made him turn to the dark side. don't u think they will kill him for betraying the sith and not destroying the republic.[/QUOTE]

You said he would go back and fight those who turned him into a sith... one of those teacher's perhaps the corner stone of the entire undertaking, being dead. Bastila mentioned something of Revan going to far off places of great DS power.

I doubt he would return for punishment by the sith, LS or DS. If he fought, it would be the same as the first KotOR games and still be unique in its own way.

[QUOTE=marten0305]Ok first Quinlan weren't you all about originality back in the other thread?! [/QUOTE]

What other thread?

My preferences and what I want change from thread to thread. I think I would hate having certain things in the game that there were and ask for the adding on of many other things that I myself like. Originality is good to a point, but it would be a little boring if the game was the same, aye?

AvengerLE · Post by **AvengerLE** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:34 pm

I have a different idea for Bastila and a male Revan's return in KOTOR3.

I think the third game's main character could be about, somehow, their child/children. They can have had twins, boy and girl, and your gender selection determines which one of them you are.

So this 3rd game would be set maybe 20 years after KOTOR 2, thus giving a credible time for the Republic and Jedi Order to recover.

So the game could be about the children going on a quest to look for their parents, who went missing not long ago on the Outer Rim or something. And then, eventually, they find Revan and Bastila, and it doesn't matter if Revan's LS or DS, really, as this plot can be worked into both.

Alternatively, the children could have been left in a orphanage/adoptive parents, and don't know their lineage, since Bastila+Revan left them in order to go fight the true sith, and hid their children in the orphanage to conceal their true parentage so that they won't become targets. And the game could start off with the children coming into their force powers and trying to uncover the mystery of their real parents. They can eventually find Revan and Bastila and have them join the party to fight off the bigger threat.

rolanz · Post by **rolanz** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:41 pm

I have some idea for the story of kotor iii, how about you start the game with a jedi padawan under the teaching of some unknown jedi master, the padawan is going out on a mission from his master, but his master's name left untold. While doing his mission he meets with new allies who help him with the mission, with their own background story and their own reason to join you.

After some time, you finally completed the mission and you return to your master to report your success. Here you found out that you're actually the apprentice of kreia (if she is not dead) or maybe jolee or bastilla or any jedi character or maybe even a new character (but off course the padawan know this, it's you who don't). And after you take the trial to become a jedi knight your master told you that your true mission is to hunt revan, the true sith (this could be the reason why revan was so strong back then as a sith lord and can convert many jedi to be a sith, and it could be an irony isn't it? revan go to the outer rim to search the true sith, but he himself is actually the true sith). Right now revan is not yet awakened to his true identity, so it's the best time to kill him (I'm assuming revan is male). So, off you go to the outer rim to complete your mission. In this point maybe you can get the old character from the previous kotor to join your party, like canderous, HK-47, or visas or anyone.

The story can go two ways, light side and dark side. If light side, in the outer rim you confronted with revan but in the end it's clear that revan it's not the true sith. And eventually you and revan tag along to finished the true sith, who could be kreia, the exile from kotor ii, your own master or even a new character. (IMO, Revan here shouldn't be playable but only helping you in developing the storyline, you will meet him from time to time to help you, give you hints, or maybe give you a quest. He will not always be able to be with you everytime because he has his own business to deal with. Even if you like it or not, revan is a very important character in kotor and he has a big role in story development if you want everything thing to be cleared). But if you choose dark side, you confronted revan who has not yet awakened to be the true sith, you kill him and you take the mantle of the true sith to yourself.

It's just one of the possibilities, in this story you can play the game fresh without worry of having too strong character in your party, and revan still play a big role to the story, a little bit of plot twist and a brand new interesting main character who kill the true sith in the end. And off course you can add romance story to the main character, maybe like he falls to a scoundrel girl who happens to be a bounty hunter hired by the sith or maybe something like that.

Quinlan · Post by **Quinlan** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:17 pm

[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]I am sure they were thinking quite clearly when they were posting.[/QUOTE]

I'm quite sure they were not. you can't possibly ask for revan for kotor III and get a good game. why do u think obsidian didn't put revan in the first game?

u can't have revan as a npc because a lightside revan dosen't ware a mask. only sith traditionally ware masks for diferent purposes. if revan wold be in the game who wold be the hero??? u or revan???

if u put revan in kotor III as the protagonist (yourself) u woldn't be playing YOUR character anymore. u wold be playing REVAN. how wold it sound if u played with a ls revan in kotor I and ds revan in kotor III. revan wold have gone ls->ds->ls->ds.... where wold it end if revan wold be in kotor IV and V and VI???

try to think a little and tell me what wold be the best solution? don't u want revan dead? or do u love him too much?

[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]I am not quite sure what you mean by this, but the KotOR series was originally an RPG. Do you really think a company would think it worth it to leap over into a genre the companies making this game have tested very little, at all, to my knowledge? By companies I meant the developer's of the past two games.

if you meant a true Knights of the Old Republic, than you are voicing a preference, not what they should do if the game was to be a great Knights of the Old Republic.[/QUOTE]

i was being a little ironic... read the hole post and u'll probably understand... i said that by having revan in the game u wold make kotor a adventure game not a rpg... understand???

[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]You said he would go back and fight those who turned him into a sith... one of those teacher's perhaps the corner stone of the entire undertaking, being dead. Bastila mentioned something of Revan going to far off places of great DS power.

I doubt he would return for punishment by the sith, LS or DS. If he fought, it would be the same as the first KotOR games and still be unique in its own way.[/QUOTE]

u didn't understand.... again. bastila or kreya said revan will go to those that are the true lords of the sith. that meaning he returns to those that turned him to ds. these sith turned revan to the ds for a certain reason... to destroy the republic perhaps... wich he failed to do (on both sides). thus revan goes to take his punishment/revange/justice... wold he prevail before the same sith that turned him to the dark side? i think not.

[QUOTE=Hill-Shatar]What other thread?

My preferences and what I want change from thread to thread. I think I would hate having certain things in the game that there were and ask for the adding on of many other things that I myself like. Originality is good to a point, but it would be a little boring if the game was the same, aye?[/QUOTE]

the guy was a little elswhere... if obsidian respects some of the goodest idears on the lucasarts, theyrs, and this one, they will have a good game...
a true kotor game!!!!

EDIT: i forgot to add that this post is for those that didn't understand what i'm trying to say, like Hill-Shatar. it's my opinion for this thread and i think i have every right to express it. for those that don't share my point of view, keep your objections to yourselves

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:04 pm

Quinlan wrote:I'm quite sure they were not. you can't possibly ask for revan for kotor III and get a good game. why do u think obsidian didn't put revan in the first game?

An opinion to me. Revan may not have been in the second one, but much of the storyline did revolve around him. He is a major point of interest in the plotline and can not be done away easily.

Trust me, I am in no way hoping for the return of these characters in the next KotOR. The farthest I would hope for them is perhaps a scene with him/her with a mask on and an altered voice or, at the least, a character who influences some of the plot with previous actions taken earlier in the game.

Quinlan wrote:u can't have revan as a npc because a lightside revan dosen't ware a mask. only sith traditionally ware masks for diferent purposes. if revan wold be in the game who wold be the hero??? u or revan???

Not really. A great many sith never wore masks, and a great many Jedi where hoods. You were able to alter the selection of gender and alignment at the beginning of KotOR II, why not again?

Quinlan wrote:if u put revan in kotor III as the protagonist (yourself) u woldn't be playing YOUR character anymore. u wold be playing REVAN. how wold it sound if u played with a ls revan in kotor I and ds revan in kotor III. revan wold have gone ls->ds->ls->ds.... where wold it end if revan wold be in kotor IV and V and VI???

There have been instances where my own Jedi bounced up and down the alignment chart like a Yoyo, so I miss your point. He has already gone LS->DS->LS, if his teacher had not forced him down the DS path in the first place. This is just one more step.

It would make sense, as he is going to one place where the DS is very power, and to walk upon the planet's surface is to become corrupt, as with Malachor, or do you not remember when Kreia mentioned that their are places of great power in the galaxy?

Quinlan wrote:try to think a little and tell me what wold be the best solution? don't u want revan dead? or do u love him too much?

I am thinking. Obviously, if I disagree with you, I am not.

To tell you the truth, if they make a compelling storyline and a good game, then it will not matter to me either way. The plot was interesting in the last one, so why not again?

Quinlan wrote:i was being a little ironic... read the hole post and u'll probably understand... i said that by having revan in the game u wold make kotor a adventure game not a rpg... understand???

No. Revan is a character, and is not available for hire for any of the production teams. However, the original post itself was a little difficult to understand.

Quinlan wrote:u didn't understand.... again. bastila or kreya said revan will go to those that are the true lords of the sith. that meaning he returns to those that turned him to ds.

He was already DS. He seeked the power of their places of power, and if I remember correctly, he met either few or none true sith there. There was no mention of it that I remember, however, if I have missed something, please enlighten me.

these sith turned revan to the ds for a certain reason... to destroy the republic perhaps... wich he failed to do (on both sides). thus revan goes to take his punishment/revange/justice... wold he prevail before the same sith that turned him to the dark side? i think not.

Theories are difficult to argue, considering that everyone always has that tiny shred of endience that throws everyone off.

Stories are full of people who are evil who killed their masters. It does not mean that the KotOR III team will totally forget to use the old plot twist, if there are true sith. Hopefully they won't use it in a too obvious way.

Besides, who says he will go back DS? He may go back LS... and who knows what happens then? You yourself said that it was unlikely that he would change alignment four times. Given, I argued that, but I still find that connection a bit warped around the edges.

In fact, it is hard to understand any of your arguments here, considering that many appear open ended.

Hill-Shatar · Post by **Hill-Shatar** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:37 pm

[QUOTE=Quinlan]EDIT: i forgot to add that this post is for those that didn't understand what i'm trying to say, like Hill-Shatar. it's my opinion for this thread and i think i have every right to express it. for those that don't share my point of view, keep your objections to yourselves[/QUOTE]

I see an oxymoron here. You are allowed to express your opinion, and the rest of us are not allowed to express ours?

I only delete posts if they are spamming, flaming or advertising under the forum rules. Your posts, for the most part, have either been belittling members for not agreeing with you, or flaming the rest of us.

You have the right to post your ideas. So does everyone else. If they conflict, than debate, don't flame the idea. You know no more than the rest of us.

Perhaps the reason we don't understand what you are talking about is because your posts are difficult to understand, and often replying to them leads to flaming, at least it did on my part. Be assured, I was using my head.

Argue civilly, or move elsewhere. Continue your current posting habits of claiming we are not thinking, we are dumb, IE flaming/trolling, and it will result in the loss of posting privileges, at least temporarily. Consider this a warning.

Macen Press · Post by **Macen Press** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:55 pm

What i would like to to see is that u are revan who has come back from the unknown and has found that the exile has usurpued the mantle of the dark lord and now revan must kill the exile to defeat the sith or to take over the sith.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:12 pm

that would be good but what if the exile was ls in kotor2? i suppose they could explain how he/she fell to the darkside after kreia's death though. personally, i wouldn't like to continue as revan as the main character as you would have to start at level 20 which i wouldn't like and suddenly losing all revan's force powers again after already having to get them back in kotor1 would be a bit over the top. it would be good if you witnessed it all though and maybe had to choose in the end whether to join revan and face the exile or join the exile and face revan, depending on your alignment. although again this could be difficult as for some people revan was ls, others he/she was ds.

Fierce · Post by **Fierce** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:03 pm

I think that chance of having Revan or the Exile as an NPC's is near 0%. I think, that they will follow the Gray path, not Light, not Dark. Why? Too much trouble for the developer's. And there will alway's be that other half unsatisfied by choice of their alignment. But, as it was said before, they are too important to be forgot, so I think it will be as in the KotOR II - we will only be able to choose they gender, and we will only hear about their deed's.
And for Bastila.... I guess she COULD return as a party member or at least an npc, but I doubt it. Although it was fun to upset her, I don't want her back. Time for new character's, execpt HK-47, this dude rocks!