Sick of cheats for games...

[bumpin_p5]

Hey everyone, I bought Titan Quest roughly about three weeks ago and I was amazed with the game, minus the few bugs here and there. There is one thing that really bugs the crap out of me about games like this. There is always a cheat or character editor of some sort that comes out. And what makes it so bad is that you can even use it in multiplayer. That basically makes items useless and priceless, and in turn, makes playing the game pointless. I admit it, if there is a character editor for single player I usually download it and try out some character builds at higher levels with equipment that I can try to find later in the game by farming, but the ability of using these editors for multiplayer is just going too far. Playing online and seeing these godly characters that kill Typhon in one hit and take hit after hit without loosing any health, has basically ruined the game all in all. About the only items that are worth anything now are the green and yellow items that are considered godly, but whats the point if you can make a godly character that can run thru legendary to typhon completely naked and one "punch" kill typhon? I feel as if I have wasted my money on a game that could have been really good. There are some mods out there that are very usefull like the TQ Vault, but the editor is just ridiculous. This just a cry out to the moderators and maybe some of the developing team if they ever look at this forum- Patch the game so that you play with characters that aren't locally stored please. There is another big game that did this and I know everyone here has at least heard of it or played it until their eyeballs popped out of their head like I did, and that game is very successful and still sells today. I would really like to see Titan Quest do the same. If you can't manage to do this in a patch of some sort, can you promise us a full blown expansion that would also take care of this problem? As for now my Titan Quest has been set on the shelf and is very close to getting promoted to the rank of cup coaster. Does anyone out there feel the same way I do? Feel different? I notice there isn't much activity on this forum, so if you are out there, please speak up and give your opinion please. Maybe we can all get something done about the potential falldown of Titan Quest. Thanks for your time that you took to read this post. later.

[Frodo1]

whats the point if you can make a godly character that can run thru legendary to typhon completely naked and one "punch" kill typhon?

I really do understand your frustration. My only constructive answer is single player. That is what this game does best and that is how I play it. Many will talk about LAN and/or playing with friends, but that makes the game something that needs a schedule. Others will say you can create your own games and boot cheaters out. That does not at all address the problem you elaborate on.

Cheats are not bad, just like knowledge about splitting atoms is not bad. It is what we do with our knowledge and technology that can be questionable. You noted how you have made a positive use of these things, as well as how it has been abused.

Cheaters are cheaters. That's life. No matter how hard you try to eliminate them, you are still stuck with them. See DII and it's supposedly closed realm play. Also see how our social world functions in general. Game cheating is just a mirror of larger social norms. Seen from that perspective, it is virtually impossible to root out cheating, amorality, and dishonesty in gaming until they are dealt with at the larger level.

If you haven't heard yet, the common character editor that is being used now allows you to have MORE THAN TWO MASTERIES. So, when that defense, earth, spirit, nature mage, with ancestral warriors, comes at you next week, don't be surprised by the twelve auras, crushing damage, total immunities, massive health and mana, and the small army of summons s/he has.

The merits of TQ are not based on its multi play functionality (too me personally), but on its pure gameplay aspects. This is how I judge it. I am really enjoying this game, more so than most action rpg's. The game delivers on many levels and I look at these positive attributes, weigh them against the negative and neutral aspects and judge the game to be a good one.

So, my suggestion is that you evaluate this specific game on its strengths and weaknesses, solo and multiplayer, and then to evaluate the world of multiplayer rpg's in the general sense, based on what provides a good gaming experience to you. Remember that the release of Neverwinter Nights II looms on the horizon. This may be the game for you. If you didn't play NWN, then I suggest you check out its old school D&D cooperative gameplay.

Anyone with more experience have any suggestions about a gaming realm that is not a pay-as-you-go MMRPG that fosters that type of experience?

[the sloth]

If you haven't heard yet, the common character editor that is being used now allows you to have MORE THAN TWO MASTERIES. So, when that defense, earth, spirit, nature mage, with ancestral warriors, comes at you next week, don't be surprised by the twelve auras, crushing damage, total immunities, massive health and mana, and the small army of summons s/he has.

that part made me laugh... and cry.

Remember that the release of Neverwinter Nights II looms on the horizon. This may be the game for you. If you didn't play NWN, then I suggest you check out its old school D&D cooperative gameplay.

god i hope they do the game justice and make it right, fully supporting multiplayer - unlike they did with the expansions to the first one.

[IvanRhys]

my desire for a character editor is to respec my paladin without paying a load of gold. You know, when you are almost finished with the third chapter and you realize how screwed you are, the idea of starting over isn't fun. I want to be able to pretend I had distributed my skill points differently... this is a legitimate use for an editor, of course...there are many non legitimate ones.

[Siberys]

my desire for a character editor is to respec my paladin without paying a ****load of gold. You know, when you are almost finished with the third chapter and you realize how screwed you are, the idea of starting over isn't fun. I want to be able to pretend I had distributed my skill points differently... this is a legitimate use for an editor, of course...there are many non legitimate ones.

Precisely the point. Your paladin suddenly unlearns skills and learns new skills to better suit him in the act that he's currently in without any cost of anything. That's cheating, making the game suit you. TQ even added in Skill Trainers to allow you to unlearn skills for a price, and by the third act, 45,000 gold per skill isn't a lot in reality. And that's the maximum, starting price is actually 200.

Also, please refrain from using profanities on this forum, as it is against the rule even with the filter.

[IvanRhys]

I respect what you are saying. The problem is this: I have several characters. I play for fun. I tried to do Storm only. Now I am in act 3 and am realizing that I made terrible character. I have put hours into someone who dies at a mere touch. And she did fine for the first two acts but holy heck if the third act baddies don't smack her around. I am two way points from the end of act three and not having fun with her.

And that is the point of the game: fun.

Now, I want to fix my mistake. Sadly, I can't. What to do? Start over? I can, but that wouldn't be fun. I have put hard work into fighting through all those levels. Yeah, I could unlock all my points with the restrainer. All 91 recoverable points. Unless mastery points aren't recoverable. I'm not sure. This would cost a crap load... not that the gold is precious but I would have to grind for more. Lots more. In order to just play the game.

So the best I can do is use TQdefiler to continue to reset the points that I have bought back. This is annoying, but it can be done. Actually, the best thing to do is to count up my total number of points, and then just distribute an equal number.

Who am I hurting? Well, I don't play online (because it isn't a secure server like b.net) So if I am hurting anyone at all it is myself. and I don't feel very hurt. Or cheated.

Even if I decided to hack in a bunch of cool armor or something, it doesn't matter. People who work for it have the knowledge that they worked for it. People who hacked it have that knowledge too. If they actually feel proud about it they are as silly as someone who feels their work diminished by other peoples cheating. And as far as I can tell, this is the big complaint. People feel their achievements are diminished instead of taking pride in their own work. If you run a mile faster than you ever have before, and other people run it faster than you because they use Wilie E. Coyote's jet skates, does that make your personal achievement any less so? Heck no...you beat your record.

Meanwhile, I have only so much time to tool around in TQ. I'll take the free respec and continue to enjoy myself. I'm not measuring this as a personal achievement.

Edit: Apologies for the profanity. Unintentional, I assure you.

Second Edit:Not just the act she is in...in general. It is a weak build. I would not respec for every act...this would be silly.

[Vidar]

I agree with Siberys. In my thoughts there needs to be a filter when characters go through into the Multiplayer realm that allows only unaltered characters through. If this means filtering out TQ Vault then so be it. So far with the expansion caravan the only use I can see for TQ vault is for convenience sake. With the caravan editor you can set up mules back on your home compueter if you need to store items and swap between characters. However my argument is not with TQ Vault.

The first poster is correct in stating that the fun is taken from the game when people abuse editors and mingle their creations in amongst the Multiplayer area. Editors and Trainers should be limited to only just that - which is editing and training within the home domain only - everything that is brought to the "public stage" so to speak should be on a level footing otherwise an economy of rarety and trading will seize to exist.

Thats my 10 cents worth anyways.

[Claudius]

I don't understand why you don't log out when you think that someone in the game is cheating. Not everyone is cheating. If you can't find a legitimate game that is just bad luck.

Create your own game and boot anyone who is cheating.

Also it may be hard to tell a cheat. With the right items you can anihilate epic. At the moment legendary seems hard to me but that might just be because I don't know what I am doing. Also legitimate brigands can do amazing amounts of damage in one hit for example. You might see one kill a boss and think it is cheating. Or another example you might see a extreme 100% recharge build and think it was cheating when it simply amounts to finding great items.

[Vidar]

Actually Claudius you have just reminded me,

Bumpin_p5, there is a way to see everyone's equipment when they enter the game click on their name with the right mouse button and select view equipment. You can see if they are using "tailor" made items and kick them immediately from there.

The only thing is, is that you need to know a bit about what is game findable and what is "tailor" made....however in a lot of cases I find the cheat players to have ridiculously overpowered equipment made up so just spot them and kick them.

Unfortunately since there is no "edited character block" when enetering the multiplayer section, the above way might have to do in the time being.

[Claudius]

I was thinking of this thread since I have gotten addicted to playing untwinked characters. I have never used mods but I did make a few twinks untill I noticed that it wasn't fun.

Would anyone want to create a character and play them untwinked no mod legitimate in a multiplayer game? We could schedule a game and put a password so the party isn't crashed.

I enjoy the game and sometimes play fairly long sessions. Of course if I got tired I would want to be able to adjurn to a later date. And keep the same characters together so one doesn't outlevel the other. Also I would be fine trading between my companions just nothing from outside characters.

And hopefully friendly people.