The True Sith

Leet · Post by **Leet** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:37 pm

a near-human race enslaved by the aforementioned cult, who later took the name of this race as their own

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:31 pm

Leet wrote:a near-human race enslaved by the aforementioned cult, who later took the name of this race as their own

Where does it say this, i want to read more about it.

Mandalorianx · Post by **Mandalorianx** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:47 pm

as leet said there a near-human race that lived on korriban and was using the dark side of the force.......the dark side of the force got the name ''Sith'' after the sith race since they were one of the first to use the dark side...

you'll fin a link in one of my earlyer post in this tread.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:24 pm

Would it be in the starwars.com databank?

Mandalorianx · Post by **Mandalorianx** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:17 pm

marten0305 wrote:Would it be in the starwars.com databank?

maybe...

but her you go

Mandalorianx wrote: Sith (species) - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki - A Wikia wiki here you have some info of the sith species.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:24 pm

Sith species

Ok, so now all thats left of the Sith is a dark order that isn't really the Sith. Also check (since i don't know how to post links i'll just give the address) starwars.com/databank/organization/thesith, for more info on the sith (make sure to select the expanded universe tab).

The sith race is sort of like the miraluka's, they had the force they just didn't practice it. Also many of the sith's (the order not the race) greatest lords were also the sith race.

Mandalorianx · Post by **Mandalorianx** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:05 am

well one of the reason that the dark side of the force got the name ''Sith'' was because For the Sith race, war and violence were just as much a part of the natural order of life as peace or serenity. so that means that the Sith race was doing good things that was evil for other peoples. thas basic how i think the dark side got the name ''Sith''.

another reason may be that Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos and Ludo Kressh was dark siders and were all ''sith''(race), and since they were one of the first do use the dark side and to get known for it, sith became dark side of the force.

BTW: have a nice christmas everyone.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:41 am

However i don't think that the "True Sith" is going to be the sith race. The sith race is extinct do to the interracial procreation (not so fun way to out it

), dark jedi, and whatever else. What is left of the race is not really the sith race. So my point is that the "True Sith" will probably not be the race, maybe alot stronger more powerful dark jedi that have been training and conquesting without real competition (like light jedi).

Leet · Post by **Leet** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:14 am

I think i got a clear idea of what the "true sith" are, i think i remember kreia saying Sith is a teaching, so there was a race of people that believed in these teaching, then the dark jedi's came, made them their slaves and took the name sith , somtin like that maybe?

Leet · Post by **Leet** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:14 am

marten0305 wrote:Where does it say this, i want to read more about it.

go to

Wikipedia and search sith, it mainly sais that 1 line but i didnt reach thru everything, try searching true sith

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:10 pm

We all must know by know that the Sith was also a race. The race was known for it's red skin and tentacles. But is near extinct do to the dark jedi, interbreeding, and whatever else killed them off. Whats left of them is not really them, they are all half-breeds now. They have similar features to the sith race like they still have red skin (Darth Maul and all the sith in the Star Wars Legacy comic series), not much else. So my point is, in KOTOR 3 i imagine the "True Sith" is going to be like the sith empire in the Legacy series i mentioned. They will have red skin, tribal tattoo's, and whatever other racial appearances they have from other races (for example, darth maul was Zabrak and Sith, so his appearance was red skinned cause of the Sith and he had several horns on his head cause he was a Zabrak, also known as Iridonian).

So hopefuly you guys like my idea because i'd sure like to see this kinda sith in K3.

DarthZ · Post by **DarthZ** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:12 am

marten0305 wrote:We all must know by know that the Sith was also a race. The race was known for it's red skin and tentacles. But is near extinct do to the dark jedi, interbreeding, and whatever else killed them off. Whats left of them is not really them, they are all half-breeds now. They have similar features to the sith race like they still have red skin (Darth Maul and all the sith in the Star Wars Legacy comic series), not much else. So my point is, in KOTOR 3 i imagine the "True Sith" is going to be like the sith empire in the Legacy series i mentioned. They will have red skin, tribal tattoo's, and whatever other racial appearances they have from other races (for example, darth maul was Zabrak and Sith, so his appearance was red skinned cause of the Sith and he had several horns on his head cause he was a Zabrak, also known as Iridonian).

So hopefuly you guys like my idea because i'd sure like to see this kinda sith in K3.

No, you're wrong. Darth Vader was a Sith Lord and he was human 100%, same with Palpatine. Darth Maul didn't have red skin it was all red tattoos and black tattoos. What you've read in books that have not been written or been written by George Lucas, I don't know. But from what I know there's a Sith race which have no connection to the Sith teachings (the apprentice and the master; like Maul/Vader and Palpatine (the Emperor)).

"Within the fictional Star Wars universe, the term Sith is used to describe two separate but related groups. The most common use of the word applies to a cult of warrior priests devoted to the dark side of the Force, serving as the counterparts of the Jedi Knights. This article deals primarily with this group, the leaders of which were known as "Sith Lords."

The second group was a near-human race enslaved by the aforementioned cult, who later took the name of this race as their own.

The first use of the word Sith (in the Star Wars Universe) was in the script and novelization for Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, as a title for Darth Vader, the "Dark Lord of the Sith." George Lucas did not explain exactly what this meant, however. Early works of Expanded Universe fiction interpreted the term "Lord of the Sith," under the guidance of Lucas, as meaning that there was some sort of group that Darth Vader was lord over, and from this created the story of the Sith race, who were enslaved by early practitioners of the dark side. For a decade or more additional fictional works fleshed this story out, elaborating on how, once this race had faded to obscurity, the word Sith remained the name of the villains in George Lucas's prequel Star Wars films. However, the word "Sith" was never mentioned in the original film trilogy.

Sith Lords are devoted to the dark side of the Force and are expected to draw on their anger, fear, and hatred in order to gain power. The Sith therefore maintain a certain psychological isolation where they continue to hold themselves above all others."

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:27 pm

I'm pretty sure it said on wikipedia or the databank at star wars.com that the sith race was nearly extinct because if interbreeding and what was left were only half-breeds.

And Darth Maul's whole body was red, what kind of tattoo is that? He had black tattoo's. And the Star Wars Legacy comic series was started at the beginning of the year, and it explains that the sith empire in the series were half-breeds of the sith race, with other races. And they look like darth maul, all red with black tattoo's. Now whether or not Lucas wanted that, it happened and comic series is official, so the sith race is all red with other racial features (like Darth Maul). Lucas may have nothing to do with it, but he's had nothing to do with any of the comic series, the only thing he worked on himself is the movies.

Darth Magmius · Post by **Darth Magmius** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:13 pm

I may be wrong, but from somewhere i read(i forget where though) Maul is a normal Zabrack, and the tatoos are a sign that he is a Sith Marauder

DarthZ · Post by **DarthZ** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:26 pm

Darth Magmius wrote:I may be wrong, but from somewhere i read(i forget where though) Maul is a normal Zabrack, and the tatoos are a sign that he is a Sith Marauder

Yes, he's a normal zabrack, this I've read too. And that would make him a "non-Sith" race; he can still be a Sith Lord or a Sith because he belives in the Sith teachings.

Told as in the Star Wars films:
Sith = EVIL or "darksided"
Jedi = GOOD or "lightsided"

BlueSky · Post by **BlueSky** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:14 pm

Leet wrote:go to Wikipedia

Don't trust Wikipedia for everything, since it is a user post...anybody can edit and post there

...there are some real whoppers on that site.

Darth Turik · Post by **Darth Turik** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:04 pm

TRUE SiTH

I dont know if anybody post this already.

I think Darth Nihilus is a True Sith just by his level of power and the language he spoke which was similar to the sith holocrons.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:59 pm

Ok yeah you guys are right (Darth Maul wkipedia and star wars databank). I"m not sure i never read it anywhere but this is what i think, the red and black tattoo's are a (for lack of a more suited word)tribute to the sith race, them being red skinned and all, but the black tattoo's could be the teachings or something to do with their training. I came to this conclusion by reading the Legacy series (just recently started reading). If you've read or even looked at the series, all the sith in it have different black tattoo symbols and design, but they all are red.

So now that thats out of the way (hopefuly), my idea of what the True Sith should be in K3 has changed a little due to the recent arguement. Here is my new idea, the True Sith should resemble the sith race (the red and black tattoo's) the Sith Lord should be the one the sith race, and they should be more powerful then darth Nihlius. And Revan, though not a dark or light jedi, he could have been gathering information on the true sith or even gathering a force (jedi or an army) that can stand up against the True Sith.

And i don't think that Darth Nihlius is a True Sith, they made a big deal about the True Sith and i don't think they would have included a True Sith in the game.

Darth Magmius · Post by **Darth Magmius** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:54 pm

I dont think Darth Nihilous was a true sith. In fact, in some of the many cut contents of K2, if you let Visas take the mask off of Nihilous she would say something along the lines of: "When I looked upon his face all I saw was a man"...however this was supposedly cut from the game (not to mention I got this information off of a forum discussion somewhere, so it may not even be reliable information) However, I still dont think Nihilous was one of the True Sith.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:09 am

The sith race is a non-canonical race... meaning, it is not part of the continuity of the Star Wars Universe. In simpler terms, there is no Sith race, it may have been published but it wasn't official information.

If you don't already know what the Star Wars Canon is then you'll have to read my posting in the smaller touches thread. Or you can look the definition up at wikipedia.