The Smaller Touches

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:00 am

DesR85 wrote: Oh, and one more thing, I would like to see a reloading animation for rifles as well. It wouldn't look logical to see someone who keeps on firing a gun without reloading.

Isn't there an in-game joke about how you never need to reload in KOTOR2 on Dxun?

supershadow · Post by **supershadow** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:45 pm

KyLewin wrote:I'd be happy if they just let me use the Force to pull the stupid rocks out of the way... then I wouldn't have to get my pants dirty trying to climb over them.

I agree you should just be able to blast things out of your way with the force.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:19 am

bigredpanda wrote:Isn't there an in-game joke about how you never need to reload in KOTOR2 on Dxun?

Can't quite recall but I think I ever heard of that joke somewhere before, though I can't remember at which part of the game. Anyway, it would be a nice touch and indeed logical to see this sequence after emptying the whole clip.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:57 pm

Info on Revan

I found some info on Revan!!! On wikipedia it says that the Canonical version of Revan is male. It did not say what path Revan chose Canonicaly. Though do to much controversy over the decision, they MIGHT change it.

For those of you that do not know what canonical is (actually Star Wars Canon is the official term), it's them continuity (don't think i got the spelling right) of the Star Wars universe. In simpler terms, it is the official information that they will use in other Star Wars franchises. I think i got it, but if any of you understand and can put it any simpler, please do so. And the person incharge of what is Canonical and what is "non-canonical" is a Lucasfilm official and the person who maintains the continuity of the entire star wars universe, by the name of Leland Chee.

I also found another tid bit, Revan's holocron: "Revan had been a A TRUE SITH LORD, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood." This also stated that the holocron was found 2,000 BBY (2000 years before the battle of Yavin, also known as Episode VI Return of the Jedi). So if Revan's Holocron said he was a True Sith Lord, that would mean he was a True Sith, so i predict that Revan in K3 will be with the True Sith if not they're lord. This is also Canonical information.

The starwars.com is the official site of the Star Wars universe. Wikipedia said this, "The Expanded Universe (also known as the EU) encompasses all of the officially licensed, fictional background of the Star Wars universe". The expanded universe can be found at starwars.com/databank, you can also find official information on the movies too.

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:30 am

I'm afraid I can't really get so hung up on what's "canonical" and what's not. The brilliant thing about KOTOR2 was that it was aware of the different choices you might have made in KOTOR. If a third game was to come out and say, "yes, you might have done that, but the correct answer was..." it would ruin it. That's why talking about what;'s canonical and not with regard the main characters of KOTOR doesn't make sense in the way it does to talk about Luke Skywalker or Kyle Katarn.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:51 am

bigredpanda wrote:I'm afraid I can't really get so hung up on what's "canonical" and what's not. The brilliant thing about KOTOR2 was that it was aware of the different choices you might have made in KOTOR. If a third game was to come out and say, "yes, you might have done that, but the correct answer was..." it would ruin it. That's why talking about what;'s canonical and not with regard the main characters of KOTOR doesn't make sense in the way it does to talk about Luke Skywalker or Kyle Katarn.

I was just posting some information i found on Revan. Personlly i'm not a DS player (sometimes i play DS with male and female), and i would rather have Revan on my side then having to go against him

The canonical information is what they use in other franchises of the star wars universe (books, comics, movies etc...). But your right, they should not bring in the canonical information in K series, because that would damage the choices system. However just because you make Revan the bad guy doesn't mean that woud damage the choices system.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:07 am

marten0305 wrote:I was just posting some information i found on Revan. Personlly i'm not a DS player (sometimes i play DS with male and female), and i would rather have Revan on my side then having to go against him The canonical information is what they use in other franchises of the star wars universe (books, comics, movies etc...). But your right, they should not bring in the canonical information in K series, because that would damage the choices system. However just because you make Revan the bad guy doesn't mean that would damage the choices system.

I think Westwood ever did that for their sequel, Yuri's Revenge by starting off from the Allies victory over the Soviets instead of the other way round. I know the circumstances are slightly different but it is similar to the idea of making the KOTOR series follow the canonical history. As what I mentioned previously in another thread, this will give the developers less headaches and much more room for expansion compared to starting off from different endings from the previous games.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:56 pm

DesR85 wrote:I think Westwood ever did that for their sequel, Yuri's Revenge by starting off from the Allies victory over the Soviets instead of the other way round. I know the circumstances are slightly different but it is similar to the idea of making the KOTOR series follow the canonical history. As what I mentioned previously in another thread, this will give the developers less headaches and much more room for expansion compared to starting off from different endings from the previous games.

Yeah if they follow the canonical history then the K series can be put in the Star Wars Canon and the continuity of the star wars universe. And the information can be used in other Star Wars franchises.

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:01 am

It would just seem very odd, considering the way KOTOR2 was handled.

In one sense, though, KOTOR2 did presuppose a number of things - there was a "proper" dark side and "proper" light side way. In other words, you could finish the game as DS but not have done all the things/killed all the people that K2 presumed a DS Revan had done. But there's a huge gap between having that sort of presupposition, and presupposing that Revan was male, DS, or whatever - especially when, to reiterate, choice is one of the selling features of the KOTOR franchise.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:16 pm

bigredpanda wrote:It would just seem very odd, considering the way KOTOR2 was handled.

In one sense, though, KOTOR2 did presuppose a number of things - there was a "proper" dark side and "proper" light side way. In other words, you could finish the game as DS but not have done all the things/killed all the people that K2 presumed a DS Revan had done. But there's a huge gap between having that sort of presupposition, and presupposing that Revan was male, DS, or whatever - especially when, to reiterate, choice is one of the selling features of the KOTOR franchise.

Well they already made Revan a male canonicaly and Revan's Holocron said he was a true sith lord. So it seems they already chose Revan's fate for the continuity of the star wars universe and whatever happens i the game is not canonicaly right, unless they make Revan a True Sith in K3. And it doesn't say anything about the exile that makes the exile a male/female, DS/LS, who he killed, etc..., in the Star Wars Canon.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:03 am

I wonder if having unlockables will be a good idea for the next KOTOR. I admit that I'm not into re-playing games but I wonder if having unlockables will entice people to re-play the game (quite a number of action games like Tomb Raider: Legends have unlockables like extra ammunition as an example). Just a thought.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:10 pm

DesR85 wrote:I wonder if having unlockables will be a good idea for the next KOTOR. I admit that I'm not into re-playing games but I wonder if having unlockables will entice people to re-play the game (quite a number of action games like Tomb Raider: Legends have unlockables like extra ammunition as an example). Just a thought.

I don't know what kind of unlockables there would be. I'd have to disagree with you. Maybe hidden items that you can find, but unlockables would make things unavailable to people who don't like to play a game more then once. The only time i like playing more then once, is when there is multiple endings.

p.s. i hate unlockables in all games.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:21 am

marten0305 wrote:I don't know what kind of unlockables there would be. I'd have to disagree with you. Maybe hidden items that you can find, but unlockables would make things unavailable to people who don't like to play a game more then once. The only time i like playing more then once, is when there is multiple endings.

p.s. i hate unlockables in all games.

Well, unlockables like getting some lightsaber or a projectile weapon that have a 100% accuracy as an example (Not those types where you have to get something in order to unlock some special content. Kind of dislike those). At least it will make replaying a game much more enjoyable (aside from multiple endings).

P.S. I actually hate multiple endings in any game I play, to be honest.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:59 am

See that should be something you find in a secret place on a planet or maybe even a secret planet. Unlockable planets wouldn't be too bad, some secret planets that contain good items and some side quests.

I would think if K series had no multiple endings it would have the LS ending and also follow the LS path. So i think the multiple choice in K series is a good thing.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:38 pm

marten0305 wrote:See that should be something you find in a secret place on a planet or maybe even a secret planet. Unlockable planets wouldn't be too bad, some secret planets that contain good items and some side quests.

I was thinking more like able to unlock those weapons I mentioned after playing through the game but the idea of being able to find them in a secret place in a planet or in a secret planet does sound a lot better.

marten0305 wrote: I would think if K series had no multiple endings it would have the LS ending and also follow the LS path. So i think the multiple choice in K series is a good thing.

Considering that the KOTOR series are open-ended games, the developers would have to include that anyway. As for KOTOR 2's ending, I suspect that what Obsidian had in mind is an open ending (the part where the Ebon Hawk flew off into the distance). Must be the fact that it's easier to come up with that ending than to create separate endings for either LS or DS.

marten0305 · Post by **marten0305** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:25 am

They could just say what happened to exile and crew after K2. They could make up a little story of what choices he made after K2, this could be done without tampering with the choices we made throughout the game.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:50 am

There is this certain grenade mechanic used in Full Spectrum Warrior where you can adjust the distance on how far do you want to throw the grenade. I think this will be much better than targeting a single enemy and throwing it at his/her direction since they tend to move around a lot. At least you can deal with melee enemies that run towards your direction (aside from those wielding blasters).

RBitG · Post by **RBitG** » Thu May 24, 2007 2:40 am

DesR85 wrote:There is this certain grenade mechanic used in Full Spectrum Warrior where you can adjust the distance on how far do you want to throw the grenade. I think this will be much better than targeting a single enemy and throwing it at his/her direction since they tend to move around a lot. At least you can deal with melee enemies that run towards your direction (aside from those wielding blasters).

Perhaps even, a Grenade-throwing skill, so as that when you improve in skill level you have a greater chance of scoring a hit on a moving target, damage levels could even improve. In the beginning of K1 and K2 grenades were a very useful addition to the arsenal, but as the game progressed and you began facing more melee enemies, and far stronger ones, grenades just became obsolete - only good for flogging off for a little extra cash.

With things like a grenade, or even thrown weapons skill (Mira), bounty hunter and other ranged classes could become a lot more feasable.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:22 am

RBitG wrote:Perhaps even, a Grenade-throwing skill, so as that when you improve in skill level you have a greater chance of scoring a hit on a moving target, damage levels could even improve. In the beginning of K1 and K2 grenades were a very useful addition to the arsenal, but as the game progressed and you began facing more melee enemies, and far stronger ones, grenades just became obsolete - only good for flogging off for a little extra cash.

With things like a grenade, or even thrown weapons skill (Mira), bounty hunter and other ranged classes could become a lot more feasable.

Not a bad idea. To add to that idea, the user will be able to time the throw more accurately (and explode at the right time) the higher the user skill's is in grenade throwing. And I have the same thoughts as well regarding grenades in both KOTOR 1 and 2. It is useful in the beginning but the further you progress, there is not much use for them.

11Revan26 · Post by **11Revan26** » Thu May 24, 2007 2:57 pm

DesR85 wrote:Not a bad idea. To add to that idea, the user will be able to time the throw more accurately (and explode at the right time) the higher the user skill's is in grenade throwing. And I have the same thoughts as well regarding grenades in both KOTOR 1 and 2. It is useful in the beginning but the further you progress, there is not much use for them.

awsome idea!