Bastila and Revan Fans: How would you want to have them back in KotOR III?

OftheRepublic · Post by **OftheRepublic** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:33 pm

if revan is dead and bastilla finds him i want bastilla to lose it and become a dark lord of the sith

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:25 am

DesR85 wrote:If I want the previous characters like Bastilla and Revan to return, I suspect that they will more likely be there as cameo appearances if the game opt for a new main character. I remember sequels for certain games (not sure of their names) did this before.

There's a certain appeal to this. Like playing K2, when you heard a sreference to Jolee Bindo, or found out Mandalore was Canderous, or found the recording of Carth on T3, and so on - there was a certain sense of enjoyment from "finding out" the relations between the games previous characters, rather than it just being rammed down your throat (and, obviously, it didn't disturb the gameplay of those who didn't know who they were).

obrad · Post by **obrad** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:49 am

DesR85 wrote:Hello and welcome back, Obrad.

Thanks,it's nice to see you to.

DesR85 wrote:As for the new main character being their child, it's not a bad idea but wouldn't that leave a very large time gap between the events that happen in the previous games and the current one (assuming that the main character is 20 years old for example)?

When I say child, I mean child, as Anakin Skywalker in Episode I, or something. It fits in my idea for the plot (wich I posted in the plot thread very long time ago and it includes main characther starting out as a Force Very Sensitive child which can then choose wheter to be trained by Jedi or Sith).

Darth Bale · Post by **Darth Bale** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:25 am

I dont think revan or bastila should be playable characters, I'm not saying that they shouldnt be in the game, just not playable, we already experienced their journey first hand so the story shouldnt revolve around them again, it would just feel like a kotor 1 ripoff. However what I would like to see is alot more character development within all the characters in the game, even the ones you dont play, thats the reason why empire strikes back is my favorite out of the six, you really got more depth from the characters and I enjoy seeing complex characters. One thing I want to add is that the developers should really work on opening levels to the game, I always found them tedious and boring, it would be nice to start off your person within the jedi academy as a young boy/girl (different races as well) and though the time that you spend there you and through dialog you get to built your characters personality and background, and depending on how you treat people within the enclave you can either make future allies or enemies. And finally being able to choose your companions would an improvement as well, say they are 20 characters to choose from but you can only have say 9 with you, this would give it a way better replay value.

Anyways, my rant is now over, tell me want you think on my ideas.

Marko Ragnos · Post by **Marko Ragnos** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:08 am

SA 128 wrote:there won't BE a kotor 3 so i guess u guys should stop making up stories

*oh well (sigh)*
Its fun to do that, but into my point. What should happen is Revan is a playable character late in the game, Bastila is a NPC but you can see dialougue between them and the rest of th ePArty has to be somwhere else, its unfair to the DS from KOTOR I and or 2. Especially Juhani from KOTOR 2 I hated Her to bits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

any ways thats my stuff and by the ways the exile should be there as a NPc

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:48 am

Marko Ragnos wrote: What should happen is Revan is a playable character late in the game, Bastila is a NPC but you can see dialougue between them and the rest of th ePArty has to be somwhere else, its unfair to the DS from KOTOR I and or 2. Especially Juhani from KOTOR 2 I hated Her to bits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 any ways thats my stuff and by the ways the exile should be there as a NPc

Er... not sure I'm understanding you here. We're seeing Revan and Bastila early but not meeting them til later... Not sure about what you're saying is "unfair", though? (And Juhani wasn't in K2?) Can you enlarge a bit more (even if this thread is pointless... :mischief: )

Nemanja · Post by **Nemanja** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:59 am

Its too unexplained end for KOTOR 2. I think theres got to be at least Revan, HK and Canderous in 3. (got it from conversation with Kreia in the end)

Nemanja · Post by **Nemanja** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:01 pm

Dajackal07 · Post by **Dajackal07** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:24 pm

Darth Bale wrote:I dont think revan or bastila should be playable characters, I'm not saying that they shouldnt be in the game, just not playable, we already experienced their journey first hand so the story shouldnt revolve around them again, it would just feel like a kotor 1 ripoff. However what I would like to see is alot more character development within all the characters in the game, even the ones you dont play, thats the reason why empire strikes back is my favorite out of the six, you really got more depth from the characters and I enjoy seeing complex characters. One thing I want to add is that the developers should really work on opening levels to the game, I always found them tedious and boring, it would be nice to start off your person within the jedi academy as a young boy/girl (different races as well) and though the time that you spend there you and through dialog you get to built your characters personality and background, and depending on how you treat people within the enclave you can either make future allies or enemies. And finally being able to choose your companions would an improvement as well, say they are 20 characters to choose from but you can only have say 9 with you, this would give it a way better replay value.

Anyways, my rant is now over, tell me want you think on my ideas.

Great idea about you starting as a kid but i think it would be better if it were like the prologue in Kotor 2 but this time u cant skip it. And Bastilla can come as ur teacher. This prologue would like last for only a hour or so depending on how long u play it. Also U and bastilla are the only jedi at the time u are not actually a jedi but u get the drift.
But after that you grow up you will be able to chose your team but insted of picking the 9 characters alrdy u only like pick 2 so that their will be able to be more characters who arent just jedi.There will be two groups of plp one light and one dark(not at the time but they betray attributes of the ds).

Jedi Revan · Post by **Jedi Revan** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:35 am

I think that the story should start having the main character in a prisoner ship in the middle of a war between the republic and the True Sith. there is a person who is robed and stuff(Is Revan). they ask you questions about Revan and the Exile to get their appearance and stuff. Then Revan becomes part of your party and is like your teacher(like Kreia, but much cooler).

garzellm · Post by **garzellm** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:17 pm

clear this up

ok i want to clear this up. Revan fights true sith. Bastilla and Carth repair the Republic. Revan is a guy. Exile is supposed to be a girl (not so sure though). Its on wikipedia.com.
They both fight the true sith. The guys that were with the exile turn out to become the jedi coucil of the jedi order.

DarthSpiden · Post by **DarthSpiden** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:41 pm

no revan and exile were light side males in the star wars canon!! revan carried two lightsabers, violet and red, showing that he could go either way, I could really see him as a neutral character if he returns, however. As for bastilla, I dont think she could return, for if revan was light he either a) killed her, or b) she was converted back to lightside. As for the exile, I think in the canon, he should have been a darksider, for he was taught how to use the force by darth traya herself.

OftheRepublic · Post by **OftheRepublic** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:44 pm

i remember canon saying revan was a lightside male and exile i light side female bastilla can either return in the role of jolee kotor 1 or part of the jedi council on dant, as for carth admiral of the republic

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:20 am

*Sigh* not all this canon stuff again.

Why did they bother with all the questions with Atton at the beginning of K2? Because they appreciated K1 was open-ended and people would play it as they wanted. Why change that for K3? It might make the storyline easier from a certain perspective, but I'm sure there's more imaginative ways to incorporate the previous games and what path you might have taken as a player.

Anyways, back on thread. I said way earlier about having Exile and Revan as dead, and you discover their tombs (and gain some mystical reward upon finding them). I wonder if you might start off as someone random, and be haunted by dreams/visions of Revan/Exile where they teach you various things and guide you to where they "are". Only, when you get there, obviously they're already dead, leaving you to take on the end of the main quest.

garzellm · Post by **garzellm** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:26 am

ok this is getting stupid. i dont know what the heck canon is but its screwed the kotor series. if u listen to kreya on light side (dark side not sure) she says revan went to fight true sith. revan is obviously a guy since bastilla and carth are alive and good. Ok im not sure about the exile since he is a mystery so we'll have to wait for KOTOR 3. revan is also a guy seeing as carth refers to him as a guy when u talk to him in KOTOR 2. And seeing as u can turn any of the characters into jedi sept droids and kreia i would think that the jedi council is bastilla, atris and all people i just talked about in ure party and im meaning the party u get if ure a good samaritan

bigredpanda · Post by **bigredpanda** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:05 pm

garzellm wrote:revan is obviously a guy since bastilla and carth are alive and good.

I'm trying to tihnk, but I'm not sure how Carth being alive makes Revan a guy? Anyways, the appearance of both Bastila and Carth is related to your earlier choices about Revan at the start of K2. That's my (probably over-stated) point, really: K2 was made so that you could incorporate whatever decisions you took in K1 into your new game. K3 should be the same, not any of this "actually, Revan was this and this."

obrad · Post by **obrad** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:38 pm

garzellm wrote:ok this is getting stupid. i dont know what the heck canon is but its screwed the kotor series.

Canon is the official version of what happened in the game so if you didn't play it or, for some reason, don't want to choose what happened, the canon version counts. In K2 if you don't want to talk to Atton about anything, then Revan was a light side male. Similarly, it has been decided that, by default, Exile will be a light side female (probably because of some possible romance in K3).

garzellm wrote:revan is obviously a guy since bastilla and carth are alive and good.

That depends on Revan's allignement, not gender. If (s)he is DS Bastila becomes Sith and Carth stays trapped on the unknown world. If not, Bastila returnes to LS and Carth...nothing happenes to him.

garzellm wrote: revan is also a guy seeing as carth refers to him as a guy when u talk to him in KOTOR 2.

That dependes on what you told Atton.

garzellm wrote: And seeing as u can turn any of the characters into jedi sept droids and kreia i would think that the jedi council is bastilla, atris and all people i just talked about in ure party and im meaning the party u get if ure a good samaritan

Well, as I said, Bastila could be a Sith at a time, and Atris is (here's a suprise) dead.

Zεrδ · Post by **Zεrδ** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:15 pm

This may have already been said, but I didn't want to take the time to read all 11 pages. I think you should come back as Revan, solo(of course), you get to pick male/female and if Revan is a Sith Lord already, totally evil, or come back as a Jedi Master, totally good. It would only make sense, because starting Revan over at nuetral doesn't make sense. He/she made a choice towards the end of the first game, so why not keep the choice in no. 3? Also, Revan should be in a firefight that nearly kills the player, until by miracle, the exile pops in or some crazy crap happens. And yeah, I also support the idea of Bastila coming back. Kinda like she missed Revan too much or some crap like that and went searching for him/her with the exile. And, according to the choice you make to be good or bad, Carth can tag along. You know, if you choose good, then Carth comes with. But if you're bad, Carth comes back with a vengance or something for Revan killing his/her friends when you choose to side with Bastila in the first game. Yeah, and you can't leave out the Ebon Hawk. Now that I think of it, and again if already said sorry I am lazy, since you played both the exile and Revan, they don't have voices. So like they never really meet up and there are two stories or some crazy stuff like that. All in all, bringing Revan and the crew back would be maybe the best thing i've heard in a loooong time. Because Revan has like a history and he/she is basically legend. It would be non-sense to leave them out. Besides, the way that KotOR II ended, it's almost inevidable that Revan should be in the 3rd installment to the KotOR universe. And to add to that Revan is just to cool to leave out. He/she is my home slice and probably wouldn't play the game if it were not so. Well, thats half truth. I'd still play it, but i'd be depressed for a long time. Or if they make a 4th installment that would bring everybody together. And once again, I am sorry if this has already been said, I mean 11 pages is alot. But that's my thought on the matter.

And one more thing, if you do come back as Revan, I think you should be able to come back in the famous mask and robes. I personally have always wanted to play Revan in those robes. They are so awesome. As to finish(maybe), you should be able to choose whether or not you duel sabers, single wield, or double-hilt it. With all respect to who comes back. Hopefully who i've said and all. The Crew!

Chanak · Post by **Chanak** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:28 am

@Zero: If your intent is to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful fashion, then you would by necessity need to review this thread...so you *wouldn't* repeat something that has already been stated. Why don't you do that, then edit your post accordingly? That will prevent redundancy and keep the discussion moving forward.

garzellm · Post by **garzellm** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:01 pm

ugh i just wish that the Kotor series producers would tell the truth. i, being a true knight of the republic, prefer good things so revan is good male, bastilla is good, exile is light female and all of the guys that are good in ure party are the jedi council. dont hate me or argue with what im sayin. im just sayin what i want. and thats what they planned at kotor HQ. so that everyone would keep playin the game finding new storylines so that they could prove that someone else was wrong. and thats just what they'll do for kotor 3,4,5,etc.,. and we all fell for it that is just what all of these forums are about. to create international popularity, contreversy and millions of dollars spent just to explore an undiscovered history of star wars. eventually we will find out the truth because as more comics, tv shows and possibly movies pop up in that era they have to give the real truth of what happened. but if u go into the future of starwars history it looks grim the rebels republic gets obliterated back into well... the rebels fighting the empire and the new sith. the jedi somehow go into hiding and the sith and new empire go to war. so far any thing can go either way. i just hope the rebels get back the galaxy from the empire and sith. and the empire and rebels are allies against the sith order.

so really will all of that sacrifice be worth it?