"True Sith" or Return of Revan

candle · Post by **candle** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:09 am

First off the Sith in the Movies are Sith by learning, after Darth Bane established the rule of 2, the Sith Master taught the Apprentance which killed the master and taught a new apprintance. Also the Real Sith where a people found by Ajunta Pall after the 100 years darkness and the Dark Jedi fled to the unknow regions, they where later killed during the Great Hyperspace war. Sith at this point is an idealogy and not an actual people as if the Sith where a people that makes the last Sith Naga Sadow which Exar Kun learned from before killing him.

Darth Shishio · Post by **Darth Shishio** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:37 am

Yeah the sith in the movies are ones who follow a certain belief in the dark side of the force, much like the jedi are people who follow a certain belief through the light side of the force. So I ask what would the star wars movies be if these sith were called dark Jedi?

Minalkali · Post by **Minalkali** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:44 am

I don't know a lot about the expanded universe, if anything, but I've played and love both Kotor games and I think there is an insane amount of potential for awesomeness in Kotor 3.

I couldn't place a vote because I think the game would be best if both were included. It wouldn't be too hard for the setting to take into consideration Revan and the Exile's variables (gender and alignment), but I think both of them have to be included in it.

Here are a few vague ideas I've had:

Since at this point the Jedi are all but wiped out, perhaps the Sith could now have complete control over the galaxy, but are now fighting among themselves.

There has to be something 'special' about the PC (ie: Revan is Revan, the Exile is a wound in the force etc). Usually they start out as an underdog of some sort, so figuring out how this is gonna work would be difficult. One idea I had is that you start out as a disillusioned Sith apprentice who abandoned his master and is being hunted. What I was thinking was that the Dark Side has no real power over the PC, in that all that anger or fear or whatever that tends to make people fall to the dark side doesn't work on them. They can still be an *******, just not "UNLIMITED POWAAA" evil.

The first planet could consist of PC being found by the Sith and hunted, but saved by the Exile, who kills the PCs master, then escapes the planet in the Ebon Hawk of course, and then takes on a role somewhat like Kreia. The Exile could then train the PC while continuing her search for Revan. This is why they need to visit different planets. I figure they need to find Revan pretty quickly, because the main focus of this game needs to be the true sith. The second planet they visit could be the one that leads them to the area of space Revan disappeared to. Revan (who now has an apprentice) finds them though, and is now a Sith lord (again perhaps) and tries to kill them for a while. But after a while it turns out that Revan was just sizing them up, and perhaps trying to serve another goal in the process. This would be an intricate plot seeing as Revan is a master strategist. I haven't thought of one but it'd be cool right? Revan is not a follower, but his apprentice is.

At this point the war with the true sith kicks in and the reason they're the only ones who stand a chance is that they all have power over the dark side like the PC. Revan because of his memory wipe/extreme intellect and power, and the Exile because of Malachor V and/or Kreia's teachings.

Yeah, I've thought about this a lot. I'm sorry if any of it breaks canon or anything like that, but as I said I'm not too familiar with the SW universe except the Kotor games. Still, I hope there are at least some good ideas in there.

I think I typed a lot, thanks for reading if you did!

jedispartan111 · Post by **jedispartan111** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:49 pm

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Darth StosH wrote:Which one would you rather have KOTOR 3 based upon
lots of fans would love to have Revan return

but what about that claim of Kreia saying they have not even come close to seeing what the "True Sith" can do
that would finish the story of the mysterious "True Sith" that many of us want answered

which would you want for Kotor 3???

I heard that revan was looking for the true sith so if it was the return of revan the true sith would be there. and the other way around. but i think it would be cooler if it was the return of revan.

Smiley:) · Post by **Smiley:)** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:31 am

If this is the question then I would choose BOTH because there are so many connections between these two ideas that that they cannot go on seperately. That's why I won't vote.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:31 am

True sith or Reavan?

jedispartan111 wrote:I heard that revan was looking for the true sith so if it was the return of revan the true sith would be there. and the other way around. but i think it would be cooler if it was the return of revan.

I think maybe a mix of characters such as Bastila,the Exile,Revan,Carth,HK47 ect., But the True Sith should definatly be included because we know next to nothing except for a few past Sith like Marko Ragnos,Naga Sadow ect. :mischief:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:57 pm

I would say that it should have both and that you should play as revan. I mean who else has enough power to fight the true sith. It's not like they could create another random schmuck to combat the most dangerous threat to the republic since... well the last bad guys. It might be interesting to start at a high level and continue growing in power as you fight. The exile should be included but i would think that revan has the best shot at beating them. And I also believe that he should be allowed to use both sides of the force in order to combat the true sith but that's just my opinion.

O and before i forget they should add HK-47, who else can kill true sith/meatbags faster than HK.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:43 am

TheCrazdPariah wrote:I would say that it should have both and that you should play as revan. I mean who else has enough power to fight the true sith. It's not like they could create another random schmuck to combat the most dangerous threat to the republic since... well the last bad guys. It might be interesting to start at a high level and continue growing in power as you fight. The exile should be included but i would think that revan has the best shot at beating them. And I also believe that he should be allowed to use both sides of the force in order to combat the true sith but that's just my opinion. O and before i forget they should add HK-47, who else can kill true sith/meatbags faster than HK.

How do you he is not one of them, he might have joined with them after all he was the lord of the sith for a time.:devil:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:51 pm

Sithlord1989 wrote:How do you he is not one of them, he might have joined with them after all he was the lord of the sith for a time.:devil:

But remember Kreia mentions that she believes revan didn't actually fall but chose to walk that path in order to protect the galaxy against the true sith. He allowed many of the stronger planets survive and he was making an empire in order to fight them. I hardly think that he would do a u-turn and join them. But you do have a valid point... just not as valid as mine

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Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:51 am

TheCrazdPariah wrote:But remember Kreia mentions that she believes revan didn't actually fall but chose to walk that path in order to protect the galaxy against the true sith. He allowed many of the stronger planets survive and he was making an empire in order to fight them. I hardly think that he would do a u-turn and join them. But you do have a valid point... just not as valid as mine .

Yes thats true but the lure of the dark side is ever present especially for the strongest,and most arrogant of the jedi.Revan is no exception to that rule.I think that it would do him good to learn from the true sith he would become more powerful than he was the last time as Darth Revan.:devil:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:37 am

Sithlord1989 wrote:Yes thats true but the lure of the dark side is ever present especially for the strongest,and most arrogant of the jedi.Revan is no exception to that rule.I think that it would do him good to learn from the true sith he would become more powerful than he was the last time as Darth Revan.:devil:

You just really want him to turn to the dark side don't you

. Hate to burst your bubble but remember he's already fought back against the influence on malachor and survived

. He's the last hope for the republic and he knows this, besides he won't give up bastila waiting in bed just to gain power. Also he's at his most powerful, i believe, if he is to use both sides, as stated earlier, and fight them using both. If he truly was working for the good of the galaxy as a "Sith Lord", technically this is not the correct title, then he would be about neutral or something, working for the greater good. O and incidentally i don't think george lucas is going to allow him to turn to the dark side again. Cheap shot i know but true

. Your turn.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:06 pm

Hehehaha

TheCrazdPariah wrote:You just really want him to turn to the dark side don't you . Hate to burst your bubble but remember he's already fought back against the influence on malachor and survived. He's the last hope for the republic and he knows this, besides he won't give up bastila waiting in bed just to gain power. Also he's at his most powerful, i believe, if he is to use both sides, as stated earlier, and fight them using both. If he truly was working for the good of the galaxy as a "Sith Lord", technically this is not the correct title, then he would be about neutral or something, working for the greater good. O and incidentally i don't think george lucas is going to allow him to turn to the dark side again. Cheap shot i know but true . Your turn.

Well you may be right and maybe Im just hopeful but there have been jedi who have turn their backs on the republic before,take anakin he attack the jedi temple itself and killed his best freinds.:devil:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:38 pm

This is starting to get fun!!!

Sithlord1989 wrote:Well you may be right and maybe Im just hopeful but there have been jedi who have turn their backs on the republic before,take anakin he attack the jedi temple itself and killed his best freinds.:devil:

Good point but then again Anakin's a little different story than most jedis. He was not even supposed to become one because he had so much hatred within him and he was already halfway there. His massacre of the sand people was a step there and the influence of darth sidious just accelerated the process. I realize that revan also had similar trials but he willingly turned to the dark side. Anakin fell but he didn't realize it until he was too far gone. Revan has pride and he has anger yes but he is far more stable than anakin is. Remember the canon has reven being a good guy so he is much more in control now. I may also be too hopeful but i don't really know of anyone, alive or dead, who could defeat revan if he turned so creating a game with him evil would just be strange. Your move.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:38 am

Hehehaha

TheCrazdPariah wrote:Good point but then again Anakin's a little different story than most jedis. He was not even supposed to become one because he had so much hatred within him and he was already halfway there. His massacre of the sand people was a step there and the influence of darth sidious just accelerated the process. I realize that revan also had similar trials but he willingly turned to the dark side. Anakin fell but he didn't realize it until he was too far gone. Revan has pride and he has anger yes but he is far more stable than anakin is. Remember the canon has reven being a good guy so he is much more in control now. I may also be too hopeful but i don't really know of anyone, alive or dead, who could defeat revan if he turned so creating a game with him evil would just be strange. Your move.

The answer is something you said"He has pride"his weakness.For a jedi there can be no such weaknesses but there are and when the jedi tells the person to not have such fealings they get upset, because they have to take away a part of themselves just to learn power,and then the road to the DS is a short.Oh and speaking of anakin the jedi always held him back if they would have had him train with the more advance skills at an earlier age he could have killed count dookoo the first time but no,however when he was with sidius he was never held back.Sidius freed him from the trappings of the jedi, sidious became a dear freind who showed Anakin the true nater of the force.He rebelled many times such as the time when he went to see his mother on tatooine he got too see her before she died and got his just revenge. The sith on the other hand only asks you to grow stronger. :devil:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:27 am

Friggan Sith Monger

Sithlord1989 wrote:The answer is something you said"He has pride"his weakness.For a jedi there can be no such weaknesses but there are and when the jedi tells the person to not have such fealings they get upset, because they have to take away a part of themselves just to learn power,and then the road to the DS is a short.Oh and speaking of anakin the jedi always held him back if they would have had him train with the more advance skills at an earlier age he could have killed count dookoo the first time but no,however when he was with sidius he was never held back.Sidius freed him from the trappings of the jedi, sidious became a dear freind who showed Anakin the true nater of the force.He rebelled many times such as the time when he went to see his mother on tatooine he got too see her before she died and got his just revenge. The sith on the other hand only asks you to grow stronger. :devil:

Jeez and I thought we were almost done here. If you remember i never said that pride was a weakness. I don't like either side remember. I don't advocate the strangling rules of the order but i also don't advocate the uncontrolled anger of the darkside. But you put too much faith in the dark side. Teaching Anakin advanced techniques is like giving a toddler a rocket launcher. He is not ready to deal with it. NO matter how powerful you may perceive him to be, he would not be able to use these to the fullest and it may destroy him. Throwing powers left and right takes a toll on the body, as you can see from darth sidious, and remember the dark side screws with your body as it is

. Count dooku has much more experience munipulating the force and i do not believe anakin could take him on the first time. There is a purpose to holding him back, even the Sith show some restraint when teaching techniques. Besides when big bad anakin was fully on the dark side, he got whooped by his mentor because of his arrogance and then by his half-trained son using the light side.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:15 am

TheCrazdPariah wrote:Jeez and I thought we were almost done here. If you remember i never said that pride was a weakness. I don't like either side remember. I don't advocate the strangling rules of the order but i also don't advocate the uncontrolled anger of the darkside. But you put too much faith in the dark side. Teaching Anakin advanced techniques is like giving a toddler a rocket launcher. He is not ready to deal with it. NO matter how powerful you may perceive him to be, he would not be able to use these to the fullest and it may destroy him. Throwing powers left and right takes a toll on the body, as you can see from darth sidious, and remember the dark side screws with your body as it is . Count dooku has much more experience munipulating the force and i do not believe anakin could take him on the first time. There is a purpose to holding him back, even the Sith show some restraint when teaching techniques. Besides when big bad anakin was fully on the dark side, he got whooped by his mentor because of his arrogance and then by his half-trained son using the light side.

Darth sidious was old and got hit by his own lightning on purpose to turn anakin.Also the whole point of becoming a Sith is to gain more power than their master and kill them even the sith masters realize this and would teach the child all they know when they are young so by the time they are Anakins age they are at least as strong as their masters.:devil:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:37 pm

Sithlord1989 wrote:Darth sidious was old and got hit by his own lightning on purpose to turn anakin.Also the whole point of becoming a Sith is to gain more power than their master and kill them even the sith masters realize this and would teach the child all they know when they are young so by the time they are Anakins age they are at least as strong as their masters.:devil:

As much fun it is to argue sith dogma, this conversation is starting to get out of hand in this thread. Would you rather continue this on another thread where we could also hear from other people. Just a thought. Btw, if the students always try to surpass the master, why is it that more often than not, jedi's beat sith. I mean, luke beat anakin, obi beat anakin, revan beat malak, the exile beat several "sith lords". For all their vaunted powers, they often get beat by jedi in the end.

So even with a head start, the most powerful sith i know usually are fallen jedi. Don't know about darth sidious but he was beaten by anakin, so that doesn't really count, and then by luke. So although they are fallen, without a head start they are superior to regular sith because of experience and knowledge of both sides. O and a rediculous connection to the force.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:06 am

TheCrazdPariah wrote:As much fun it is to argue sith dogma, this conversation is starting to get out of hand in this thread. Would you rather continue this on another thread where we could also hear from other people. Just a thought. Btw, if the students always try to surpass the master, why is it that more often than not, jedi's beat sith. I mean, luke beat anakin, obi beat anakin, revan beat malak, the exile beat several "sith lords". For all their vaunted powers, they often get beat by jedi in the end. So even with a head start, the most powerful sith i know usually are fallen jedi. Don't know about darth sidious but he was beaten by anakin, so that doesn't really count, and then by luke. So although they are fallen, without a head start they are superior to regular sith because of experience and knowledge of both sides. O and a rediculous connection to the force.

First off luke didnt beat anakin he came close,but anakin could have let the emporer kill luke and got his arm repaired,but he chose to save luke.Also the jedi always win because they usualy travel in numbers.5 against one doesnt seem to fair does it?:devil:

TheCrazdPariah · Post by **TheCrazdPariah** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:05 am

Sithlord1989 wrote:First off luke didnt beat anakin he came close,but anakin could have let the emporer kill luke and got his arm repaired,but he chose to save luke.Also the jedi always win because they usualy travel in numbers.5 against one doesnt seem to fair does it?:devil:

Well if you want to play, then i hardly think sending dozens of sith assassins to kill a couple of jedi is fair either. And more often than not, the major sith lords are challenged by just one guy. Reven took on malak by himself, and malak had to suck life force from jedi. Malak would have eaten the floor if he didn't have those jedi. Also your poster boy grew a concience at the end. That doesn't really help your side that much.

Don't forget also that on the Star Forge, Malak was sending legions of robots, sith troopers, and dark jedi to stop reven and what two other guys. If you think the jedi play unfair, have you even looked at your side.

Altmer1989 · Post by **Altmer1989** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:15 pm

TheCrazdPariah wrote:Well if you want to play, then i hardly think sending dozens of sith assassins to kill a couple of jedi is fair either. And more often than not, the major sith lords are challenged by just one guy. Reven took on malak by himself, and malak had to suck life force from jedi. Malak would have eaten the floor if he didn't have those jedi. Also your poster boy grew a concience at the end. That doesn't really help your side that much. Don't forget also that on the Star Forge, Malak was sending legions of robots, sith troopers, and dark jedi to stop reven and what two other guys. If you think the jedi play unfair, have you even looked at your side.

Absolutly I have looked at them,first off the jedi stormed the star forge and it was a major battle so that doesnt count plus malak sent three sith at a time which if you remember was often met with three opponents,because anybody dumb enough to walk around alone on kashyk,korriban,or tatooine ought not be playing the game.Remember when bastila took revan from the ship she was with 2-3 other jedi.