Story line for diablo 3

w1ck3r · Post by **w1ck3r** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:50 pm

I forgot to mention that i didn't pick it up either.... which means that either he put it somewhere to set himself up for his return in diablo 3 or has already begun to corrupt someone else (tyreal maybe??) - because he forsaw his defeat

but even if you did pick it up how hard would it be to TP to town, WP to River of Flame, run to hellforge, destroy soulstone, tp town, talk to tyreal done... shouldn't take anyone more than a couple of minutes.. but still i dont think Diablo even had the soulstone... and as the soulstones corrupt people, Marius has been corrupted by it and as he seems very messed up, im not going to accept him as a reliable source. If you didn't notice, Marius looks about 20 years older since hes held Baal's soulstone (and no it isn't because 20 years has passed) and it all happens while you do act 3 which clearly doesnt take 20 years, thats the difference between diablo 2 and 3

EDIT: There is no doubt about it that Azmodan, Lord of Sin AND/OR Belial, Lord of Lies will take a large role in Diablo 3 and i quote "Azmodan has yet to make an appearance. He has no known demonic servants or relationships. Blizzard has confirmed him to be present in Diablo 3." - [url="http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Azmodan"]http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Azmodan[/url]
AND "Belial has yet to make an appearance, but Blizzard has confirmed either him or the other unseen Lesser Evil, Azmodan to be present in Diablo III" - [url="http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Belial"]http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Belial[/url]

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:43 am

w1ck3r wrote: but still i dont think Diablo even had the soulstone... and as the soulstones corrupt people, Marius has been corrupted by it and as he seems very messed up, im not going to accept him as a reliable source. If you didn't notice, Marius looks about 20 years older since hes held Baal's soulstone (and no it isn't because 20 years has passed) and it all happens while you do act 3 which clearly doesnt take 20 years, thats the difference between diablo 2 and 3 Belial - The Diablo Wiki

Well, first of all, Diablo has to have the stone in his head... Why? maybe you haven't noticed throughout the game, Diablo takes over people to come to a fysical form. Like the prince in the first game was one of his hosts and then the hero killed him, putted the stone into his head and tried to contain it. But diablo was to strong and the hero eventually was taken over by diablo. When the diablo 2 hero killed diablo he destroyed the stone because he knew he could, while the diablo 1 hero didn't have this knowledge.

You say Marius looks mad, messed up... How would you be when you've seen the devil and his devil brothers plotting to destroy the world, how would you be when you trully see that you companion is the freaking devil? And why do you presume that all the events Marius tells take place in Act 3? Why couldn't time have passed? Bhaal had to look for his stone and finally found Marius.

However, I have some question... Mephisto survives without a host in the real world... HOW???Also, Bhaal takes that priest as his host, but when talking to Marius he's in the form of Tyreal. This could be explained by either: Marius only thinks it Tyreal because Bhaal is able to deceive him by something unknown, BUT even if Bhaal could to that, how does he eventually go to his original form? Maybe by the same way Diablo goes out of the hero... I think I answerded that last one for myself.

w1ck3r · Post by **w1ck3r** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:07 am

SupaCat wrote:When the diablo 2 hero killed diablo he destroyed the stone because he knew he could, while the diablo 1 hero didn't have this knowledge.

I just said I dont BELIEVE that i destroyed the soulstone when i didnt physically do it. I saw this diablo video last week, (cant remember the link or where to find it :S) but basically what happened was after the hero killed diablo in diablo 1, he is walking next to a caravan back east and as he walks he drops the Bloodstone. This could show that diablo forsaw his defeat in diablo 2 so began preparing for his 3rd resurection? if blizzard did use this then they have fantastic story telling but i doubt this to be what it meant.

SupaCat wrote: You say Marius looks mad, messed up... How would you be when you've seen the devil and his devil brothers plotting to destroy the world, how would you be when you trully see that you companion is the freaking devil? And why do you presume that all the events Marius tells take place in Act 3? Why couldn't time have passed? Bhaal had to look for his stone and finally found Marius.

LOL THATS WHAT I SAID!!! i said that hes gone crazy, and thats why i dont believe anything he says............... Ok and about why it happens in act 3? I think i rushed that, it could go through act 4 as well, but thats all. ill go through the events but it could get confusing...
First, marius and The Wanderer pass through Tal Rashas tomb and Marius gets the soulstone and is told by Tyrael to 'take the stone and run', i think you see this cinematic at the end of act 1,
Second, you see the Dark Wanderer just outside of Kurast Docks which means that marius HAS NOT yet been to the portal to hell, where he sees the Dark Wanderer Transform into Diablo.
Third, A cinematic of marius seeing the three brother talking and diablo transforms, this happens sometime after you see the dark wanderer at the start of act 3 and before you face mephisto
Fourth, Baal comes to see marius to collect the soulstone.
Fifth, a cinematic of Baal entering Horrogath
So basically in the time that marius runs from the portal room to the time that baal collects, only act 3 and act 4 could have possibly passed.
Any confusions just ask ill try to clarify

SupaCat wrote: However, I have some question... Mephisto survives without a host in the real world... HOW???Also, Bhaal takes that priest as his host, but when talking to Marius he's in the form of Tyreal. This could be explained by either: Marius only thinks it Tyreal because Bhaal is able to deceive him by something unknown, BUT even if Bhaal could to that, how does he eventually go to his original form? Maybe by the same way Diablo goes out of the hero... I think I answerded that last one for myself.

lol..... Baal isnt in the form of Tyrael... Marius just MISTAKES him for tyrael becuase of the cloak, and he thinks that its tyrael walking around in a cloak to stay low but it is just Baal in the form of Tal-Rasha. Once he gets his soulstone back he can take his true form.

Mephisto does have a host, his name is Shansekur and he is the new Que-Hagan after Khalim was killed. Mephisto wanted to use Khalim as a host but he was too holy and strong willed so he had him killed where Shansekur took over for him, and he was corrupt so Mephisto found it easier for him to overthrow his body.

I could be mistaken in some of this but things like diablos soulstone not dropping or being destroyed are purely my own opinion and the lore is just what i remember from reading things and could be wrong but im trying =D

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:28 am

w1ck3r wrote: lol..... Baal isnt in the form of Tyrael... Marius just MISTAKES him for tyrael becuase of the cloak, and he thinks that its tyrael walking around in a cloak to stay low but it is just Baal in the form of Tal-Rasha. Once he gets his soulstone back he can take his true form.

While for the rest I believe you're propably right, I do think this (the quote) is way to symplistic. Just because he has a cloak he thinks it's Tyreal? But fair enough.

Also, I saw the movie you saw too and, I'm maybe mistaken, but wasn't this one of those pre-movies? Just because he "dropped"(symbolicly speaking) the stone doesn't mean he forsaw his own death. Also, when looking at the hero you see the stone in his head.
Look, I think very high of Blizzard and all, but do you really think they planned all of this from the end of diablo:hellfire, because I think it was around then that all these movies started going around. Blizzard does that, showing many teasermovies, like with Warcraft 2, I already saw promotionmovies for Warcraft 3. Also, never in game were there IMO any clues that diablo forsaw his own death, while in starcraft:brood war the foundations for starcraft 2 were already made.(SPOILER: zeratul finds Zerg/protos hybrids from an unknown race).

w1ck3r · Post by **w1ck3r** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:06 am

yeah, i honestly doubt that they would use that. But its cool to speculate if they did just how amazing blizzard are. Who knows...

Vess · Post by **Vess** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:31 pm

"You have done well Marius..."

I've got a radical thought for you. Assume the Cinematics in Diablo2 are out of order.

Our story-teller, Marius, recounts his days with the wanderer to someone he believes to be Tyreal, but in all reality is Baal.

Well assume for a moment that this interaction takes place LONG after the events of Diablo 2.

Marius is a young man when he meets the wanderer in the Rogue Monastery. He goes with the wanderer and eventually removes Baal's Soulstone. Then as Tyrael commands him he runs from the tomb towards Kurast. Marius never smashes Baals Soulstone as he is told to do.

Assume that Baal is destroyed by our hero in D2, but finds a way to come back (since his soulstone was never smashed) and hunts it down.

I mean Marius goes from 30-something years old in Act 4 to 80-something years old in Act 5. I mean Blizzards takes forever to release its x-pacs but come on?

To make it easier, I'll make a timeline:

D1events
D1Hero (Diablo) Meets Marius in Rogue Monastery
D1Hero (Diablo) Travels Through the Desert
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 1
D1Hero (Diablo) Goes to Act2 Tomb and Marius removes Baal's Soulstone
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 2
D1Hero BECOMES Diablo
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 3
Diablo Secures Sanctuary
Baal Starts up Mt. Areat
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 4
Baal Corrupts the Worldstone
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 5
Tyrael Destroys the Worldstone
Baal Comes back... Somehow?
Baal Tracks down Marius and Marius tells him about Diablo 2.
Baal Kills Marius and Diablo 3 begins.

Input?

Vess · Post by **Vess** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:23 pm

Lol Everybody left the thread as soon as I found it.

w1ck3r · Post by **w1ck3r** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:17 am

lol! i didnt leave, i just couldnt think of anything to say to your post

ill give it a good think and try and get back to you though

Darth Kruger · Post by **Darth Kruger** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:21 am

Vess wrote:I've got a radical thought for you. Assume the Cinematics in Diablo2 are out of order.

Our story-teller, Marius, recounts his days with the wanderer to someone he believes to be Tyreal, but in all reality is Baal.

Well assume for a moment that this interaction takes place LONG after the events of Diablo 2.

Marius is a young man when he meets the wanderer in the Rogue Monastery. He goes with the wanderer and eventually removes Baal's Soulstone. Then as Tyrael commands him he runs from the tomb towards Kurast. Marius never smashes Baals Soulstone as he is told to do.

Assume that Baal is destroyed by our hero in D2, but finds a way to come back (since his soulstone was never smashed) and hunts it down.

I mean Marius goes from 30-something years old in Act 4 to 80-something years old in Act 5. I mean Blizzards takes forever to release its x-pacs but come on?

To make it easier, I'll make a timeline:

D1events
D1Hero (Diablo) Meets Marius in Rogue Monastery
D1Hero (Diablo) Travels Through the Desert
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 1
D1Hero (Diablo) Goes to Act2 Tomb and Marius removes Baal's Soulstone
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 2
D1Hero BECOMES Diablo
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 3
Diablo Secures Sanctuary
Baal Starts up Mt. Areat
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 4
Baal Corrupts the Worldstone
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 5
Tyrael Destroys the Worldstone
Baal Comes back... Somehow?
Baal Tracks down Marius and Marius tells him about Diablo 2.
Baal Kills Marius and Diablo 3 begins.

Input?

That really helped (not being sarcastic) So that would make sence if Diablo 3 was just sending Baal back(they just need to stay dead!) Also thoughs two lesser evils that haven't been in a game could be killed too. I think Blizzerd should let you sorta imput your D2 player into D3 so it would be like he/she would still be on his/her quest of clensing the mortel rhelm (pardon my spelling). But if you do that everything would be harder.
I mean even 20 years after all of D1&2 i'm sure that the world is still has a scar from that. The thing is this would have to be the last. They made the story line like you could go on forever with it.
I wanna fight an angel or somthing. ^_^

lrkuhne · Post by **lrkuhne** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:51 am

Vess wrote:I've got a radical thought for you. Assume the Cinematics in Diablo2 are out of order.

Our story-teller, Marius, recounts his days with the wanderer to someone he believes to be Tyreal, but in all reality is Baal.

Well assume for a moment that this interaction takes place LONG after the events of Diablo 2.

Marius is a young man when he meets the wanderer in the Rogue Monastery. He goes with the wanderer and eventually removes Baal's Soulstone. Then as Tyrael commands him he runs from the tomb towards Kurast. Marius never smashes Baals Soulstone as he is told to do.

Assume that Baal is destroyed by our hero in D2, but finds a way to come back (since his soulstone was never smashed) and hunts it down.

I mean Marius goes from 30-something years old in Act 4 to 80-something years old in Act 5. I mean Blizzards takes forever to release its x-pacs but come on?

To make it easier, I'll make a timeline:

D1events
D1Hero (Diablo) Meets Marius in Rogue Monastery
D1Hero (Diablo) Travels Through the Desert
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 1
D1Hero (Diablo) Goes to Act2 Tomb and Marius removes Baal's Soulstone
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 2
D1Hero BECOMES Diablo
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 3
Diablo Secures Sanctuary
Baal Starts up Mt. Areat
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 4
Baal Corrupts the Worldstone
Your D2 Hero Clears Act 5
Tyrael Destroys the Worldstone
Baal Comes back... Somehow?
Baal Tracks down Marius and Marius tells him about Diablo 2.
Baal Kills Marius and Diablo 3 begins.

Input?

It would be nice, but if you watch LOD cinematics again you'll see that when baal gets to Mt. Arreat he already has his soulstone as an amulet in his neck. =)

Cya

Vess · Post by **Vess** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:33 pm

Bah to Blizzard's bloody attention to detail.

Oh Well...

Thanks for the point-out.

eevil · Post by **eevil** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:34 am

fedenet89 wrote:If you haven’t read Diablo: The Sin War trilogy by Richard A. Knaak, I recommend you to do so now. The sin war, is an event in the past of Tristam that took place three thousand years ago — according to the Diablo 1 game manual. The novel explores what happened then, but as Knaak said, retconning some of it to fit upcoming diablo games.

Inarius - a former commander of the High Heavens - becomes a rogue angel tired of the eternal war against the Burning Hells. He swayed other angels with him and departed the High Heavens to seek their own destiny. Angel Inarius contacted demons who also wished to end the conflict and together formed a third faction of rogue angels and rogue demons. Inarius created Sanctuary, and the worldstone was built with the purpose to cloak the existence of Sanctuary from the High Heavens and the Burning Hells.

Angel Inarius and Demon Lilith fell in love. The progeny of both angel and demon were known as the nephalem, who inhabited Sanctuary under the rule of Inarius. Lilith is the character introduced by Blizzard Entertainment in Diablo II patch 1.11 — a character with deeper story than anyone thought. She is the daughter of Mephisto and also the catalyst that caused the Sin War.

Lilith betrayed Inarius and took the children, the nephalem, to empower her agenda during the Sin War. However, Inarius put an end to the conflict and the Worldstone was modified to depower the children. For as long as the Worldstone stood, no entity from the High Heaven or the Burning Hells would be able to know the existence of Sanctuary, nor able to enter it. And the children would remain depowered.

However, through Lucion — another son of Mephisto, Diablo knew of the existence of Sanctuary. Thus, Angel Izual revealed the Prime Evils the secrets of the Soulstones and planned their own exile, becoming trapped by the soulstones. Now that Tyrael destroyed the Worldstone, the children are no longer depowered. This shall trigger the rise of the nephalem and powerful entities.

Here is the full article: Starcraft 2 News Community @ StarcraftTwo.com Diablo 3 at BlizzCon 2007?

I hope this is a good info

that article on sc2 is partly flawed and opinionated. they guy that wrote that artice didnt read the sin war, his friend did and told him stuff about it. READ THE DAMMN BOOK b4 u talk people. the world stone was the essence of creation that inarius stole from heaven to create sanctuary or earth, its a source of great power. he noticed his children gaining powers that could one day rival his own so he destroyed sanctuary ( he did that **** more than once) and rebuilt it in his image. rathma, bul kathos , and several others survived the are the first generation of nephilims they are not as powerful as later generations.i got carried away a bit anyway back to the world stone, inarius later bonded himself to the worldstone leaching power off of it, and he changed it so that the later generations of nephilims would loose their powers and eventually be just normal humans. the worldstone is also what shields earth from the high heavens and the burning hells, and i'm not sure how trag oul is connected to the worldstone either but he is (trag oul is some weird magical dragon.) tyrael was right by destroying the worldstone even he dont know what will happen next, for all i know the **** has hit the fan ladies and gentleman. and as for the 3 prime evils ...THEY ARE NOT DEAD just banished, sent back to whereever the came from or they got sent to the abyss or void where lillith was banished to. the soulstones were prison idiots it was meant to trap them but those mofos were still able to manifest and influence **** from whitin their prisons, what we saw in d2 was probably not their true forms , remember they possesed humans and changed their bodies to their liking. and nobody ever destroyed baals soulstone so wtf is up with that. it could be after the were defeatec they were sent back to hell but they were weak after being in a battle and in the soulstones for so long, belial and azmodian could have their chance to overthrow them again who knows. if ur gunna discuss the storyline read the damn books dont make up **** and assume stuff. tyrael was affected by the worldstone in some way btw, the designers hinted at that, but he aint gunna be evil like u all want. there are other angels inarius aint dead either he was just beig held captive and tortured by mephy (because he caused him to loose his son lucion, and daughter lillith). there are other angels beside tyrael like imperius( hates humans wants em all dead but he couldnt destroy sanctuary cuz all the humans had a vote, the odds wasnt in his favor ), auriel ( female the sin war hinted that she may have banged mephy), malthael ( not much info on him he didnt vote with the others either, when a human looked at he he saw visions of death so this guys is baddass angel of death or some**** anywya not much info on him), itherael not much info on this angel either but he was the first to decide not to kill all the humans.), and finally tyrael ( he was the first to say kill em all, but he later changed his mind, i guess he came to respect humans after he saw what uldissian ( the most powerful huma ever , he stopped the high heaven and burning hells from destroying earth single handedly while beating the **** outa inarius at the same time, but he was too powerful for his own good he sacrificed himself, because he could not controll his powers, his pressence alone was causing sanctuary to rip itself apart) could do. tyreal dont like humans he just sees them as an apportunity to turn the tides in the eternal war between heaven and hell. and the demons see the same ****. a word of advice people read the sin war books if ur a diablo fan u will have a ball of a time. there are 3 books , and diablo makes an appearance he is badass, his true form is a shadow that constantly shifts to ur worst nightmare , his very pressence sends people into terror for miles, and they dont know why they feel such terror. so he feeds off of terror whoever is lookin at him sees their worst nighmares, even the angels experience this, diablo truely is badass. read the dammn book i ramble too much. sry this might be too much to read.

eevil · Post by **eevil** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:41 am

sry peeps i typed too much ****..man i dont wanna see the two weakasses in d3 azmodian and belial. i do know there are other evils in sanctuary though i mean where is the 3 prime evil's daddy or mommy ? might be a stupid question but seriuosly how did they come to be? and i wonder if lillith ever found a way out of her prison and what happened to inarius? will he be freed ? why the hell is cain not dead that old ****. its nice that the barb will be returning. what ever happened to tyrael after he destroyed the worldstone ? what the hell was baal tryin to do with the worldstone anyway ? questions that need to be discusses in my opinion.

eevil · Post by **eevil** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:46 am

i never red the old diablo books like kingdom of shadow , the black road, i'm currently readin legacy of blood. i got moon of the spider thats next, hey man i cant wait for d3 so i'm reading anything about diablo to keep me entertained and get an idea of what d3 might be about.

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:52 am

eevil wrote: i mean where is the 3 prime evil's daddy or mommy ? might be a stupid question but seriuosly how did they come to be?.

Well, according to Christianity, God just is (don't question it according to the bible

) and he had angels. The devil is a fallen angel, so I can only presume the same is with the 3 prime evils.

BTW: you don't have to call everybody idiots because they have other thoughts or don't know as much about this subject as you do (or maybe as much you think you know). Also, could you please stop the stars (*) that disguise the foul language. It's difficult to read.

eevil · Post by **eevil** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:16 pm

SupaCat wrote:Well, according to Christianity, God just is (don't question it according to the bible ) and he had angels. The devil is a fallen angel, so I can only presume the same is with the 3 prime evils.

BTW: you don't have to call everybody idiots because they have other thoughts or don't know as much about this subject as you do (or maybe as much you think you know). Also, could you please stop the stars (*) that disguise the foul language. It's difficult to read.

well sir christianity has nothing to do with diablo.. in diablo there is no god just the angrius council consisting of 5 arc angels, and 3 prime evils with other overlords off hell, that we havent seen in previous games. so the world cannot be compared to christianity.. but seriuosly.. i know this will offend u, lol... GOD DOESNT EXIST, well maybe he does, i dont believ in god but i keep an open mind but every religion on this earth is man made and flawd. so if ur going to pray to god just pray to god cuz u dont know who or what it( yes it cant be classified as he or she) is or looks like. and dont even get me started on religion.. if ur a person of faith pray to god it has no name cuz u dotn know its name. if ur going to bring up jesus, then personally i think he was an ordinary but wise man for his time. but the bible says he is the son of god so why is everyone makin a religion based on him and praying to him? pray to the source. muhammed was just one of those wise /dumb guys, buddah was an great man but no god, hinduism is just plain retarded. hell if i traveled back in tme i could create a religion too, and with a few thousand decades i will be made into this supernatural being, cuz the story changes from person to person. and over the years u can prove sqwat now can u.. so i hope ur following, peopel say money is the root of all evil, hell no its humans, or man.. i may not be the smartest person in the world but i know what i'm talkin about cuz i'v experienced many different religions and cultures, because my family is very diverse. my last word is religion is the source of all of out problems today it devides the world, causes hate, bigotry, even bloodshed in the name of god, dont get me wrong there are people who missuse religion to do wrong stuff. religion is not all bad years back it was a way to keep people in check teach em right from wrong in a way it established the judicial system and stuff, but it has become a problem now, cuzz the world is getting full of ignorant people.if people were less ignorant then religion wont be a problem. but i'v noticed that religion makes people ignorant, not everybody but most people. some have their faith but they still have their heads on right. i went to a catholic school, they wanted to ban any and all info on evolution. .. wtf is up with that, why dont we ban all religions then?
eeeh i think about stuff too much and ramble too much sry for offending u, but i was just trying to change the way u think, not take away ur faith and beliefs.

eevil · Post by **eevil** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:18 pm

eeh sry i got carried away , i love debating about religion.. my apologies sir.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:42 pm

Yeah, guys, even though this is about the storyline for Diablo 3, lets try to keep the comparison to modern world religions out of the thread. They tend to cause more problems than do good, and since it's been established that there are minor similarities but no direct relation, I don't think it's necessary.

If you really want to discuss the religion of the Diablo series, you're more than welcome to create a thread about it (I doubt there's one made for that kind of topic) but here is where the games storyline belongs.

flix · Post by **flix** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:56 pm

I don't think Supacat was even trying to say that there was a god (real-life), but he was making a good comparison (story-related) between real-life religious mythology and the Diablo universe. It's a bit more than a superficial connection, folks.

The original question was where did the three prime evils come from? An even greater evil, maybe? Or divine origins, and then a fall from grace? I read Legacy of Blood and the Black Road but I haven't read the Sin Wars so maybe the answer is in there. But personally I don't like all this adding of Lesser Evils, much less another Prime one. It feels too much of an afterthought, this retconning.

Do we even know how much of the books have officially become canon, and therefore possibly part of the new game?

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:36 am

The Lesser Evils have always been part of the Diablo storyline. Check your D1 manual.