Battles

[LordOfSithGods]

Who is the strongest in the KOTOR series so far?

[LordOfSithGods]

Definitely Revan.


-Best lightsaber duelliest
-Master of both light and darkside powers
-Best tactician and strategist
-Knows force bonding, learned from masters in Coruscant. (force bonding is used by Exile unconsiously) Revan has full control, and knows how to take advantage of force wounds, knows their weakness, as does Kriea.
-High tolerance of darkside, lowering its affect on him.

[Darth Valthri]

I'd have to go with Revan, for all the same reasons that you mentioned, Lord. and idk if this was included under your "strategist" point, but he intentionally didn't conquer the Republic because he knew that the galaxy needed a balance of both Republic/Jedi and Sith, due to the threat of the True Sith.

anyway, no offense, but i don't really see why you even put Bandon or Visas on the list. Bandon was garbage, and the only real power Visas had was to weaken the strength of Nihilus through their connection, and the ability to see through the Force, which Kreia can do as well.

[SevaC]

Revan.

Like Valthri mentioned, I don't see how Visas or Bandon could compete with the others.

Both Sion and Nihilus seemed very "one-dimensional" to me, and the latter didn't really have control over the Force, the Force controlled him.

Malak was bested by Revan and scared to face in combat originally, so I really don't see how he could be considered better than him.

Kriea was obviously a talented teacher, but was overcome by all her students eventually and, of course, bested by the Exile at the end of KotOR II.

With the Exile I never got the same sense of power I had when learning about Revan, and she just never came off as being as talented as Revan was, as a Jedi or strategist. Undoubtedly a talented Jedi, but not on Revan's level.

[Darth Valthri]

Revan.

Like Valthri mentioned, I don't see how Visas or Bandon could compete with the others.

Both Sion and Nihilus seemed very "one-dimensional" to me, and the latter didn't really have control over the Force, the Force controlled him.

Malak was bested by Revan and scared to face in combat originally, so I really don't see how he could be considered better than him.

Kriea was obviously a talented teacher, but was overcome by all her students eventually and, of course, bested by the Exile at the end of KotOR II.

With the Exile I never got the same sense of power I had when learning about Revan, and she just never came off as being as talented as Revan was, as a Jedi or strategist. Undoubtedly a talented Jedi, but not on Revan's level.

many good points, but i personally disagree with your statement about a sense of power between Revan and the Exile. between being able to lvl up to 50 instead of 20, use force forms to enhance powers and saber combat, and all the added powers, i felt VERY powerful as the Exile, more so than Revan. although i think Revan is superior to the Exile, the sense of Force-combat got old quickly playing as Revan, got too repetitive when i only use wave, storm, and occasionally death field and kill.

[LordOfSithGods]

I'd have to go with Revan, for all the same reasons that you mentioned, Lord. and idk if this was included under your "strategist" point, but he intentionally didn't conquer the Republic because he knew that the galaxy needed a balance of both Republic/Jedi and Sith, due to the threat of the True Sith.

Yup very true, Revans intention was never to destroy the Republic or hurt important people like Bastila, he deliberately allowed her to board his flagship to capture her, and i have no doubts that he would've succeeded if Malak hadn't interfered. I can almost guarantee that she'd join Revan, as he's far more persuasive than Malak could ever be. And this does fall under strategist and tactictian.

anyway, no offense, but i don't really see why you even put Bandon or Visas on the list. Bandon was garbage, and the only real power Visas had was to weaken the strength of Nihilus through their connection, and the ability to see through the Force, which Kreia can do as well.

Non taken. I have Bandon and Visas on the list, because there's always a few meat bags who might choose them, and i'd like to give them that option, plus it gives us all something to discuss. But i totally agree Bandon and Visas aren't good enough to make that list...

many good points, but i personally disagree with your statement about a sense of power between Revan and the Exile. between being able to lvl up to 50 instead of 20, use force forms to enhance powers and saber combat, and all the added powers, i felt VERY powerful as the Exile, more so than Revan. although i think Revan is superior to the Exile, the sense of Force-combat got old quickly playing as Revan, got too repetitive when i only use wave, storm, and occasionally death field and kill.

I think the reason why the main character was stronger is because the game was a sequel to KOTOR so of course you'd have more levels, powers, and feats to learn. Add that to the fact that Revan was not fully trusted by the Jedi council or Bastila, and so only trained him up to Jedi Padawan, while the Exile was fully trained by Kriea... most of the training was to prevent him (Revan) returning to the darkside anyway. There is no doubt who is stronger out of Revan and the Exile, and i got the feeling that Kriea was comparing me to Revan, and found the Exile to be weaker in terms of pure force power, saber technique and tactical genius. But being a force wound, she still became one of the most powerful characters in KOTOR series.

[SevaC]

many good points, but i personally disagree with your statement about a sense of power between Revan and the Exile. between being able to lvl up to 50 instead of 20, use force forms to enhance powers and saber combat, and all the added powers, i felt VERY powerful as the Exile, more so than Revan. although i think Revan is superior to the Exile, the sense of Force-combat got old quickly playing as Revan, got too repetitive when i only use wave, storm, and occasionally death field and kill.

I was actually refering to the details revealed through the storylines and any back story elsewhere; and I would attribute what you're saying just to the fact that KotOR was obviously a newer, updated game.

I agree with the points you've made, I too felt as though I had more power and control as the Exile as far as ingame combat goes, but at the same time felt less powerful as the Exile based on the information you find out about him (as opposed to the way Revan was portrayed). Like I said earlier, I attribute the fact that it felt more powerful playing as the Exile during combat to the fact that it was a newer game that recieved enhancements - not to the actual lore/information told throughout the game (which is where I got my "sense of power" in the original game).

EDIT: Totally didn't read LordOfSithGods last paragraph before posting, but I basically agree with what he says there.

[Jedi Guardian]

Revan is the strongest kotor character

[DarthBob]

I agree with Jedi Guardian! Revan is stronger- as Kreia said

Revan was the life of the force

[Lex.mkr]

This is really a one-sided battle.

I voted for Sion to try and stop Revan's domination. And also because I thought he looked so f*****g cool the first time I played KotOR II (which was the first KotOR I played) that I felt like dressing like him in some sort of Star Wars event. :laugh:

Now seriously: even though Revan is a master war strategist and stuff, I don't think he'd win an old-fashined, one-vs-one lightsaber duel against Darth Sion.

[Nightmare]

Revan is who he is because of Kreia. She taught him everything, guided him into doing everything he did. And she ultimately considered him a failure.

I vote Kreia.

EDIT: But, if you wanna talk about a one on one battle, Nihilus would destroy Revan in a heartbeat.

[Darth Valthri]

Non taken. I have Bandon and Visas on the list, because there's always a few meat bags who might choose them, and i'd like to give them that option, plus it gives us all something to discuss. But i totally agree Bandon and Visas aren't good enough to make that list...

uh oh, we got HK-47 in the forums! beware!

[DarthBob]

The exile killed Nhiluss and Sion and Kreia. Revan is the life of the force, Exile the death. They are both equal and Revan is still more powerfull than everyone else other than exile who he is on par with

[Darth Valthri]

Now seriously: even though Revan is a master war strategist and stuff, I don't think he'd win an old-fashined, one-vs-one lightsaber duel against Darth Sion.

actually he could. and he has. there's little question that he could have beaten Bastila and the other 3 Jedi with her, if not for Malak's cowardly, backstabbing attack.
and he did beat Malak 1 on 1, plus all the dark jedi he whooped in his 2nd hunt for the star forge.

Revan is who he is because of Kreia. She taught him everything, guided him into doing everything he did. And she ultimately considered him a failure.

I vote Kreia.

EDIT: But, if you wanna talk about a one on one battle, Nihilus would destroy Revan in a heartbeat.

Revan learned from Kreia, doesn't mean she is superior. for one thing, she's old, secondly she has 1 hand, and finally, Revan had more than her as a teacher.

as for Nihilus, he doesn't have much of his own control over the Force, unlike Revan. and like Darth Bob said, Revan would be evenly matched with the Exile (possibly even stronger), and she beat Nihilus down (as she would have even without Visas and Mandalore. everytime i fight Nihilus, he focuses on the Exile, so it's not like Visas and Mandalore are distractions)

[Lex.mkr]

actually he could. and he has. there's little question that he could have beaten Bastila and the other 3 Jedi with her, if not for Malak's cowardly, backstabbing attack.
and he did beat Malak 1 on 1, plus all the dark jedi he whooped in his 2nd hunt for the star forge.

Pardon me, but when did Revan battle Sion?

[Nightmare]

as for Nihilus, he doesn't have much of his own control over the Force, unlike Revan. and like Darth Bob said, Revan would be evenly matched with the Exile (possibly even stronger), and she beat Nihilus down (as she would have even without Visas and Mandalore. everytime i fight Nihilus, he focuses on the Exile, so it's not like Visas and Mandalore are distractions)

But the point of the battle was that Nihilus could actually be beaten because he tried to drain the force from the Exile, but failed miserably because the Exile is a "black hole" in the force, so it backfired. Against Revan, Nihilus would've just drained him like he did to everyone else without a sweat.

And if we're talking what character would come out on top, it would be possible for HK-47 to kill Revan. He was programed by Revan to kill Jedi, and there's nothing to say he wouldn't be able to succeed with Revan if he wanted to.

[Darth Valthri]

But the point of the battle was that Nihilus could actually be beaten because he tried to drain the force from the Exile, but failed miserably because the Exile is a "black hole" in the force, so it backfired. Against Revan, Nihilus would've just drained him like he did to everyone else without a sweat.

good point, but in saber combat alone, Revan would likely win.

And if we're talking what character would come out on top, it would be possible for HK-47 to kill Revan. He was programed by Revan to kill Jedi, and there's nothing to say he wouldn't be able to succeed with Revan if he wanted to.

another good point. i think HK just tells jokes to Jedi to get them to laugh and drop their guard, then blasts them:laugh: but really, if Revan programmed him and knows how he reacts or what he does exactly, then it might not be that hard for Revan to take down HK. not that either of them should try, they're both awesome characters

[Numbers]

But the point of the battle was that Nihilus could actually be beaten because he tried to drain the force from the Exile, but failed miserably because the Exile is a "black hole" in the force, so it backfired.

uuuuuu just to note, both Nihilus and the Exile are both "Wounds in the Force" but your right Nihilus failed to drain the Exile and the vise versa happened because the Exile's wound was in the force was bigger!! so just like real black holes the bigger consumed the smaller, and blustered it own power, but annoying Visas keeps you from absorbing him, because in the proses you would consume her.

[Numbers]

O I for got, if Revan went head to head with the Exile, then all the Exile has to do is draw out the battle, Revan will tier 2x as fast as normal and The Exile will tier 1/2 as fast as normal, that of course is if they where perfectly equal in Power, because as Revan uses up energy to fight, The Exile gains some of it, so Exile kick Revan BUT!!!!!!!!!! I'm not being mean to Revan, he worked very heard, and is very powerful, its just that The Exile is kinda cheating, its like putting 2 max level characters against one another, with no weapons, or armor, but one of the characters is a moded character, so its stats don't match with its level, but only the player of the moded character can see that, so, well I think you get it....

[LordOfSithGods]

But the point of the battle was that Nihilus could actually be beaten because he tried to drain the force from the Exile, but failed miserably because the Exile is a "black hole" in the force, so it backfired. Against Revan, Nihilus would've just drained him like he did to everyone else without a sweat.

You forget Revan is a master of the force, he knows more about the force than Exile and Kriea combined. He was taught under almost all the Jedi masters in the order, he learned everything as Kriea tells the Exile, and he finally went to her to help him decide what he might do next.

Revan would beat Exile and Nihilus because:

-As Kriea tells the Exile: Revan studied force bonding a lot, more than the Exile and Kriea combined... Which would be very useful in battle. The Exile's force bonding isn't natural, he has no control over it, which is a disadvantage against someone as clever and powerful as Revan.
-Like Kriea, Revan can mask his presence from Nihilus. Remember Kriea did this throughout the whole game, even in the presence of powerful Jedi like Kavar and Atris, they never knew who she was, they couldn't even sense any force in her, until it was too late.
-Revan can cut himself off from the force, like the Jedi masters did to the Exile and re connect himself and it may have the same affect it had on the Exile.
-Revan knows how to deal with force wounds in ways that Kriea and the Exile don't. He and Kriea know a lot about it, but Revan am pretty sure knows more.

And if we're talking what character would come out on top, it would be possible for HK-47 to kill Revan. He was programed by Revan to kill Jedi, and there's nothing to say he wouldn't be able to succeed with Revan if he wanted to.

I doubt Revan would build a droid with the capabilities of beating him. C'mon we're talking about Revan here. He's extremely smart and to think HK will kill it's master is just too funny! HK loves Revan too much!

The Exile beat Sion in lightsaber duel, so what makes you think Revan, who is a master of saber technique, persuasion and tactics can be beaten by such a fool as Sion. I think Sion is one of Kriea's worst students.