Who should I kick out of my party?

Hamster ranger · Post by **Hamster ranger** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:36 pm

You need to download Rylorn and the Undying then.

Spoiler

One of your first acts with Rylorn to keep him with your party is to go to the Radiant Heart and kill all the Paladins, it was a great fight, I killed all the squires, the cleaning guy and the cook.

Stworca · Post by **Stworca** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:32 pm

Hamster ranger wrote:Stuff

Awww...! Is it voiced? Is it for TOB too?

Hamster ranger · Post by **Hamster ranger** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:42 pm

Stworca wrote:Awww...! Is it voiced? Is it for TOB too?

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xCherryXSherryx · Post by **xCherryXSherryx** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:27 pm

Hmmm...I'm probably going to kick out Jan then. I never use his thieving skills anyway (have never used traps in the game so far and I'm about to leave the underdark). I'll take Imoen with me.

And then I'll use console commands to raise her experience or something. xD

willsanders84 · Post by **willsanders84** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:46 pm

CONSOLE COMMANDS! NOOOOOO. Just learn loads of spells. Kick everyone out of your party (unless you're romancing them) tell them to wait where they are, leave yourself and Imoen. Get Imoen drink a potion (the +3 int +3 wis one) and get memorising those spells! Ten level eight spells is a large chunk of XP. After some serious spell memorisation, she'll be strong enough. Rather than cheat in the XP, personally, I'd rather cheat in the potion and the spells (assuming you had those spells) and do it that way. At least then it's half legit.

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:27 am

Note that the following may offend feminists and PC types.
And note that my view on those three in no way represents the Gamebanshee Forums' general view, nor do the Forums encourage or endorse chauvinism, verbal or physical abuse of women, or any of the views expressed by that crazy Viking fellow Edar Macilrille.

Further, Edar Macilrille, whose real name is Palle Rasmussen, would never lay hand on a Lady or verbally abuse her (Edited to add, he has in fact shown himself willing to sacrifice his own life to save a woman's). His view is solely an expression of his perception of the Biogals, not on real women. When he meets that type of woman RL (which is quite frequently- hence my view of them) he just shakes his head and walks away.

fable wrote:Why should I warn you? You married her. She puts up with you; you have to put up with her. It's the perfect ****up made in heaven.

you usually warn me when I call Jaheira a bitch, even when using b*tch, which I have to restrain myself not to do all the time. Something about the forum not being percieved as endorsing chauvinism, and I know that saying she is bitching as I did here, and a bitch are two subtly different things. I understand and accept the warning, but that does not change my mind, so here is something unsubtle to warn me about:

Spoiler

Jaheira = Bossy and unstable Bitch
Viconia = almost as much Bossy, unpredictable and unstable Bitch
Aerie = sniveling self-piteous little girlie.

All of them = mental cases.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr *slaps all of them around as they start their bitching and snivelling and shouts "Get yourself toghether!!! Or get some counceling, but in my group you behave and if you cannot you can rot in Spellhold, for I will kick you so hard in Atkathla that you bounce there!!!"*

I would never marry Jaheira, Fable; her type turns all partners into snivelling girlie-men like Khalid, rather be single and strong.

There you go, now I spoke frankly and I accept my warning.

In any case, back to OP's question, as should be evident. I would recommend kicking Jaheira or any other Biogal, there are so many good mod NPCs that you do not have to put up with the ingame ones. If you would not RL, why should you ingame?

But then, I like Jan Jansen's banter, my parties are mostly put together for max effectiveness in melee with a sorceror and a priest as backup, so I have only found room for him once, but his banter is... hilarious and extreme.... Same with Minsc, he is a great tank, but Valyagar can be just as good. He just is not as much fun as Minsc.
I think I will want to have Jan in in next game.

Sorry Fable, I needed to vent...

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:33 am

willsanders84 wrote:CONSOLE COMMANDS! NOOOOOO. Just learn loads of spells. Kick everyone out of your party (unless you're romancing them) tell them to wait where they are, leave yourself and Imoen. Get Imoen drink a potion (the +3 int +3 wis one) and get memorising those spells! Ten level eight spells is a large chunk of XP. After some serious spell memorisation, she'll be strong enough. Rather than cheat in the XP, personally, I'd rather cheat in the potion and the spells (assuming you had those spells) and do it that way. At least then it's half legit.

What is the difference? cheat + action = too many XP or cheat = too much XP... it is a cheat in any case, in fact by adding potions and HL spells you give her capabilities that she should not have (spells). So in a way your cheat is worse. Not that I am Buddha or Jesus, or even a saint, I have cheated on occasion, but cheating is cheating...

Edited to add, but why use Console when Shadowkeeper is so much more effective, for each cheat use the right tool ;-)

RPGguy · Post by **RPGguy** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:53 pm

Edar, you are hilarious man. And I agree with your assessment.

To be fair, however, a good chunk of the male NPC's are highly irritating as well. In fact Anomen is worse than any of the females. I'm almost inclined to call him one in fact. Jan is plain idiotic. Minsc is certified mentally retarded. Keldorn is a giant flake. Edwin....I would punch him in the face in short order.

In fact, the only personalities I can respect in the game are Valygar and Korgan.

willsanders84 · Post by **willsanders84** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:44 pm

Oh come on. Valygar doesn't HAVE a personality. And Korgan, well, I don't know what his deal is.

AND ABOUT THE CHEATING!!! I meant that if you already HAD the scrolls, but didn't have them with you, then cheat them in! I've been up against Kangaxx before, only to find out after he changes to a Demi-Lich that the only thing I had that could damage him was the Staff of Rynn, and that was sitting in a cupboard in Cernd's former home. So instead of asking Jaheira to go and get it, I cheated it in.

I just cheated today, I had to re-create the rift device to make The Unseeing Eye appear again. I got 60000 xp AGAIN! Which meant I had to work out all the numbers, and use CLUA console to reduce everyones XP by the right amount. Arg.

When it comes to cheating, if you feel like a cheat, or even think you might feel like a cheat, then you've cheated. If you don't, then it's cool.

QuenGalad · Post by **QuenGalad** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:04 am

Feed Anomen to the bears? Oh, come on, the game lets you do so much better than that!

slightly spoilerish:

My neutral evil assassiness (wow that's a lot of "s") was soloing through most of the game, and in ch6 she had to fight the vampiress. Since the dead are not easily poisoned, she needed allies. So she wrapped a young, idealistic cleric around her finger... made him fail his test so that he had nobody in the world but her... made him love her and fight vampires for her...
Of course she didn't know he'd get kidnapped and turned into one, but when he did, well, what was there to do? She killed him, of course. Then she got on with her business, killed Irenicus, and later revived Sarevok and made him her lover.
And in some time, a party of adventurers might wander into the Athkatlan catacombs and find the ashes of Bodhi, together with a suit of armour, a warhammer and a Delryn Family Shield...

jouke1988 · Post by **jouke1988** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:40 am

Phantom Lord wrote:Kick Jaheira - unless you plan to keep her as sacrifice NPC in hell, in case you're evil .

I disagree with you on that, along with a lot of other persons in this forum. Jaheira can be a very good NPC if used in the correct way. Jahiera is a very good second tank next to a damage taker(a guy that can take a lot of damage) While the PC is a berserker she is a very good second tank.

I would personally kick out Edwin, first because he is evil and wil eventually make trouble and second because Jan is the best thief in the game, with the exception of Yoshimo

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:20 pm

Even if Jaheira was an avatar of Ao I would not put up with her ways, *Froths at the mouth*.

Both Viconia and Anomen are as good as Jaheira, and while Anomen is as annoying, you are not supposedly in a relationship with him that goes further than comrade-in-arms.

I tell you, there are some of the other Viking Re-enactors who are as annoying, but who has other redeeming features, so you put up with them.

Jaheira I would not- not ever!

Perhaps because she reminds me of an Ex I do not much like being reminded about...

RPGguy · Post by **RPGguy** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:36 pm

QuenGalad wrote:Feed Anomen to the bears? Oh, come on, the game lets you do so much better than that!

slightly spoilerish:

My neutral evil assassiness (wow that's a lot of "s") was soloing through most of the game, and in ch6 she had to fight the vampiress. Since the dead are not easily poisoned, she needed allies. So she wrapped a young, idealistic cleric around her finger... made him fail his test so that he had nobody in the world but her... made him love her and fight vampires for her...
Of course she didn't know he'd get kidnapped and turned into one, but when he did, well, what was there to do? She killed him, of course. Then she got on with her business, killed Irenicus, and later revived Sarevok and made him her lover.
And in some time, a party of adventurers might wander into the Athkatlan catacombs and find the ashes of Bodhi, together with a suit of armour, a warhammer and a Delryn Family Shield...

I have to admit that I am much more a power-gamer than a role-player when I play these games. I wish I wasn't but that's my tendency. I respect the role-players a lot and this is one of the finer examples.

Nice!

Phantom Lord · Post by **Phantom Lord** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:26 pm

jouke1988 wrote:I disagree with you on that, along with a lot of other persons in this forum. Jaheira can be a very good NPC if used in the correct way.
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I would personally kick out Edwin, first because he is evil and wil eventually make trouble and second because Jan is the best thief in the game, with the exception of Yoshimo

I have no doubt that Jaheira is as good as any NPC, technically. But her constant babble can't be tolerated. In case I play with a party, Edwin is in, so is Korgan and maybe Viccy. Now guess my usual alignment.

And yes, "Jaheira can be a very good NPC if used in the correct way" ... down below.

jouke1988 · Post by **jouke1988** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:20 am

The best part of Jaheira is being forgotten by a lot of you.

She talks alot, I agree on that but there are more NPC's that do that. What I think interesting about Jaheira is the fact that she belongs with you when you've played BG1 in good or neutral style. and therefor she should be in your party in BG2

Next to that she controls spells that only Cernd controls as wel. And since he sucks even more than any other character I choose to take Jaheira with me and accept the talking

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:27 am

I do not keep her with me in BG I either, her bitching annoys me there as well. Not to mention Khalid's whining- ye Gods, those two were not made for the adventurer's life.

PC
Minsc
Dynaheir
Kivan
The Stoned female priest
Ajantis/Safanas

jouke1988 · Post by **jouke1988** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:04 am

I agree with you on khalid but still I like Jaheira. Took her with me on most of my adventures in BG2 or replaced her for Anomen. Two Npc's a lot of people dislike but I don't I think it is very natural for an NPC to ask questions about a taken route especially when it isn't you who chose the route!

hunt · Post by **hunt** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:00 pm

QuenGalad wrote:Feed Anomen to the bears? Oh, come on, the game lets you do so much better than that!

slightly spoilerish:

My neutral evil assassiness (wow that's a lot of "s") was soloing through most of the game, and in ch6 she had to fight the vampiress. Since the dead are not easily poisoned, she needed allies. So she wrapped a young, idealistic cleric around her finger... made him fail his test so that he had nobody in the world but her... made him love her and fight vampires for her...
Of course she didn't know he'd get kidnapped and turned into one, but when he did, well, what was there to do? She killed him, of course. Then she got on with her business, killed Irenicus, and later revived Sarevok and made him her lover.
And in some time, a party of adventurers might wander into the Athkatlan catacombs and find the ashes of Bodhi, together with a suit of armour, a warhammer and a Delryn Family Shield...

Sexy! Oh wait, he's your half-brother! Eeeww! Haha

Just kidding, loved it.

But come now people, how can you hate Jaheira with all the Fall creature and feed the earth!'s and Nature, take the life she gave's!

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:54 pm

I have said this before and Fable has warned me for it, so try a search and find out why I hate Jaheira. I have elaborated at length in many a thread.

jouke1988 · Post by **jouke1988** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:46 am

Jaheira can be quite a pain in the ass by all the things she says. But it is a natural human responce to question some things you do as a Baalspawn.

I do think that every character has good and bad points. The Dex. of Keldorn, The low strength of Mazzy, The stupidity and Berserker activity of Minsc and you can go one with this forever.