Best Backstab Weapon

vonhizzle · Post by **vonhizzle** » Sun May 02, 2010 2:34 pm

I have a question. What is the best one handed weapon to backstab with? Currently thinking Celestial Fury because Katanas do the most one hand damage but the quietus +4 from item upgrade mod increases backstab modifier by 1. It feels kind of a waste relegating CF to backstab duty when a diff char could probably use it as a main weapon. Are there any other weapons that add 1 to backstab modifier or would be a good backstabbing one hand weapon for other reasons?

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Sun May 02, 2010 3:28 pm

No idea, I usually use a Kensai/Mage/Thief with CF, good for backstab. Sancho in off had is good as well.

Daynov · Post by **Daynov** » Sun May 02, 2010 5:30 pm

Mods aside - Hindo's Doom. With Item Upgrade - Celestial Fury. Also the upgraded Short Sword of Backstabbing from RR is quite nice.

vonhizzle · Post by **vonhizzle** » Sun May 02, 2010 6:58 pm

What mod does RR refer to? Also, are there any weapons with large +DMG like staff of the ram has, but 1 handed? Does the +DMG against Chaotic and Evil opponents on the Equalizer get multiplied by backstab?

Daynov · Post by **Daynov** » Mon May 03, 2010 5:42 am

The mod in question is Rogue Rebalancing. As for the weapons - not in the vanilla game, with mods - maybe. The Equalizer's bonus dmg gets added after the backstab if i'm not mistaken but it is still a good off hand weapon because the THAC0 and dmg bonus is also added to the main hand.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Mon May 03, 2010 12:03 pm

The best one handed weapon for backstabbing would have to be one of the +5 weapons, since the higher the bonus, the higher the damage received due to the multiplier. I personally would say that the best one handed weapon for backstabbing would either be Angurvadal +5 or Dagger of the Star +5. But if you're looking for hardcore damage, you want to go with two handed weapons.

vonhizzle · Post by **vonhizzle** » Mon May 03, 2010 12:12 pm

Yea there just seems not to be any 1hand weapon with high +dmg that gets multiplied like the staff of the ram. I am using Item Upgrade so my Celestial Fury is a +5 so I guess I will stick to that. Thanks a lot guys, oh and I think I will check out RR next play through, thanks Daynov.

Kerosene · Post by **Kerosene** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:59 pm

I used the Crom Faeyr and the Celestial Fury. Was hitting 100's I'm pretty sure...

Edar Macilrille · Post by **Edar Macilrille** » Mon May 03, 2010 4:47 pm

With Celestial and a belt/potion/whatever high strength modifier you can pass 170 AFAICR.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Mon May 03, 2010 6:42 pm

I play with no mods. If you want to get technical about it, the best one handed backstab weapon would be the golem arm which (if memory serves) does 4d10 + 10.

vonhizzle · Post by **vonhizzle** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:01 pm

Crenshinibon wrote:I play with no mods. If you want to get technical about it, the best one handed backstab weapon would be the golem arm which (if memory serves) does 4d10 + 10.

I would call that a spell not a weapon. Unless you are talking about some weapon called golem arm added by a mod

Daynov · Post by **Daynov** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:29 pm

As far as I know iron golem fists do a base of 2d10 (bonus dmg not included), not sure about shapechanged iron golems though. Nevertheless they still beat black blade of disaster (which is also good) overall.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Mon May 03, 2010 9:08 pm

I was under the impression that the one given to you by the spell is different.

Kerosene · Post by **Kerosene** » Tue May 04, 2010 2:15 am

Acid/Fire/Ice, etc. doesn't add to backstab damage, does it?

And you don't really need a weapon that has special effects added to it. It helps, but it's really just all out power you need in the backstab. Hindo's Doom is pretty damn good at +5. +4 it's still pretty good.

There could be a weapon better than Celestial Fury for the job...

I might need to look at the most damaging weapons in BG2, (1 handed weapons).

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Tue May 04, 2010 4:05 am

The thing about Angurvadal is that it also gives you a nice strength bonus as well (which increases your damage), not to mention offer protection.

In my opinion Celestial Fury and Hindo's doom are easily outdone by a lot of other weapons.

Kerosene · Post by **Kerosene** » Tue May 04, 2010 5:59 am

Oh whoops, +3 and +4 Hindo's Doom.

I don't really think they would become out-done by a lot of other weapons.

The way I kill people:

Hide in Shadows on the Thief, Tank on my "Tank" guy, Backstab with my Thief, Hide, repeat.

And +5 the CF, and it is easily one of the best weapons in the game. Even not +ed, it's still a great weapon, since it has stun.

If you want to get the mod for it, just get Weimer's Item Upgrade mod.

Hindo's Doom increases the attack by a fair bit as well. So, if you have an assassin, you have about 20 attack right there, without the +ed damage. Times that by 7; 140 attack damage right there. Even without the upgrade for the CF, you get about 100 attack.

Spectral Brand +5 is great as well...

When you get to the higher levels, Assassination just absolutely f***s up enemies.

I think +5 CF and +5 Spectral Brand would be good, or CF +5 and Angurvadal +5. If you don't like CF +5 because it's modded,

maybe you could go Spectral Brand +5 and Angurvadal +5, other way around or something.

To sum it up, I think that Thieves are just about power. You need defense, but you should just get them from armor.

Angurvadal is actually quite a good weapon...

Not so sure though. It's just all a matter of attack power, like I said.

Saros · Post by **Saros** » Tue May 04, 2010 7:29 am

The best backstab weapon is the Iron Golem fists, followed by the Black Blade of Disaster.

RPGguy · Post by **RPGguy** » Tue May 04, 2010 7:43 am

Saros wrote:The best backstab weapon is the Iron Golem fists, followed by the Black Blade of Disaster.

Depends how you want to set the criteria. To me, the best BS weapon has the absolute highest chance to hit (primary consideration) on that all important swing combined with damage output (secondary).

Missing on your BS attempt frankly sucks. So it's gotta be a +5 or +6 weapon IMO.

Not sure what the golem fists or the BBD hit at but I'd be surprised if either is greater than +4.

Daynov · Post by **Daynov** » Tue May 04, 2010 9:37 am

+4 and +5 respectively. Also +4 is perfectly fine (+3 is ok most of the time also) ; most monsters that need greater enchantment level are immune to backstab anyway.

vonhizzle · Post by **vonhizzle** » Tue May 04, 2010 10:11 am

Guys we all know IG and BB spells do the most damage but they are not weapons so lets try to stop mentioning them.

I think I may have found a winner, haven't tested yet though. It is from upgrade mod so that may upset some of you purists

. Upgraded Daystar! 1d8 +4 +8 vs evil. Almost all baddies are evil so if this +8 vs evil is multiplied by backstab then I think this is a winner.