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Death sentence over China kindergarten attack

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[url="http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/15/china.kindergarten.attack/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn"]Death Sentence Over China Kindergarten Attack[/url]

Beijing, China (CNN) -- A court in eastern China sentenced a man to death Saturday for attacking 29 kindergarten students and three teachers with a knife, state-run media said.

The Taixing Intermediate People's Court found Xu Yuyuan, 47, guilty of intentional homicide after a half-day trial, Xinhua news agency said.

Xu told the court that his rage against society motivated him in the April 29 attacks, according to Xinhua. But he appealed the death sentence, arguing that the punishment was too severe since no one died in the attacks, Xinhua said.

Chinese penal code says a person can be convicted of intentional homicide for acting on an intent to kill, the news agency reported.

A police probe found Xu had been unemployed since 2001, when he was fired by a local insurance company. He told police he carried out the attack because he was angry about a series of business and personal humiliations, Xinhua said.

About 300 people attended Saturday's open trial, according to Xinhua.

Xu's sentence was the second death penalty conviction after a recent spate of school attacks that have prompted public outrage across China.

Zheng Minsheng, 42, was sentenced to death and executed on April 28 for attacking students in front of an elementary school in Fujian province, killing eight and wounding several others. Zheng also used a knife in the attacks, Xinhua reported.

Authorities said Zheng carried out the attack because he was frustrated at "failures in his romantic life," the news agency said.

At least four other such attacks on school children in China have been reported since March.

Guns are strictly regulated in China, but until recently large knives were not. Chinese authorities have recently issued a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when they buy knives longer that 15 centimeters.

Other measures have been put in place.

In April, the Ministry of Education ordered kindergartens, elementary and secondary schools to restrict strangers from entering the campuses. The ministry instructed schools across the country to hire security guards, install security facilities and ensure that pupils were escorted home. Schools were also urged to teach pupils to how to protect themselves.

In some schools, security guards have been armed with "forks," long poles with semi-circular prongs that can be used to fight assailants.










A half day's trial? Wow.... I can see they were really interested in promoting the cause of justice... :rolleyes:
Clearly, anybody who attacks children (or anyone else) in this way requires some form of incarceration and treatment, at the very least... but....

Ugh... China makes my blood boil on so many levels..
Though I'm deeply opposed to the death penalty no matter where it happens, so I suppose I'm less than objective in this particular case ;)
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dragon wench wrote: Ugh... China makes my blood boil on so many levels..
Though I'm deeply opposed to the death penalty no matter where it happens, so I suppose I'm less than objective in this particular case ;)
Bet a large percentage of the kids in school were boys. Of course that's from the state's regulated "death penalty" to girls with the 1 child law.
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I need to move to China.

Here in the states, the trial would have gone on for years, the trial would have taken up all major networks (who would ignore the real news stories) and then this creep would serve a minor jail sentence (if serving one at all - we have these magic lawyers that can make anyone get off) and then be back on the street and within a month commit another horrible crime where people do lose their lives. I'm just amazed that having evidence can actually lead to justice in some countries anymore. I'm so used to crimes being committed in broad daylight and the perps just getting off with hardly a slap on the wrist.

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As much as I dislike the way they do things in China, then I have no ill-feelings or remorse for people getting a death penalty for something like this.

In fact, in some cases, I would have liked the death penalty to exists in this country as well.
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I doubt there is any objective way to judge the fairness of the trial that happened there. The only unfair trial in my opinion is one where justice is not served. lots of those around here where wealth buys a long drawn out trial with appeal after appeal and never sees the inside of a cell. politicians getting wrist slaps on charges that would see you and I drawn and quartered.

Is it just that a man who killed or injured children, who is not fit to breath free air be given 3 square meals a day on a public dime? Is it just to have a death penalty in a justice system that is prone to mistakes? This debate has been going on for centuries. in my opinion, where there is no doubt at all, let 'em fry. Too many of these cretins walk free on "good behavior" and re-offend. That is most assuredly unjust to the second set of victims, when it was completely preventable.

the only certainty about any "justice' system I have seen is that it is unjust on some level.
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Is it just to have a death penalty in a justice system that is prone to mistakes?
That is the most pertinent question, and underlies the reason I'm totally opposed to capital punishment. Too many innocent people have been wrongly convicted for me to do anything but oppose it. One innocent person being murdered by the state makes the state and all who support capital punishment guilty of murder; should we hang all them too?
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Death for them is too easy
Ok maybe i,m wrong but if we know 100% that they are guilty keep them alive
but make them want death...
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Yeah, I should point out that I am strongly in favour of life meaning life in terms of sentencing; in this country 'Life imprisonment' usually means between 5 and 25 years, a complete farce!
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galraen wrote:Yeah, I should point out that I am strongly in favour of life meaning life in terms of sentencing; in this country 'Life imprisonment' usually means between 5 and 25 years, a complete farce!
I'm with you there. The reason I cannot come to a clear conclusion on the issue myself is because there is no "life imprisonment" in this country. Like in the UK sometimes with good behavior you are out in less than ten years. given the overall cost to keep someone in prison, they should have to do something to earn their keep. Couple of years back at a gas station across from where I live, a woman was assaulted by a man just out of prison. He hurt her pretty bad but she lived. He's the kicker, he let himself get caught because he wanted to go back to prison. Obviously our prisoners have it too good. He's probably eating better than I am and has no utility bills to pay or worry about rent. If we can't kill them (and you are right Galreon, justice is too fallible for death penalty to be just) make 'em work for it.
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We (as in Americans, I'm getting confused on who's from what country here!) have a system that tends to create prisoners out of prisoners. That's probably a bad way of putting it, but it works like jklinders said - a culture develops and men and women not only become accustomed to their cells but feel comfortable in them. They make friends, form alliances, and do not have any responsibilities. At the height of the recession, for example, there were communities popping up around the US where people who had lost their homes had to set up tent communities out in the boonies with barely any resources. Our prisoners, on the other hand, still had three meals a day, air conditioning, recreational activities, and conjugal visits. What about those guys who want to get out and never really fit in? Well, like it has been said, life imprisonment is measured in dog years, and good behavior is easy to achieve (especially for those white collar criminals).

One more thing, many prisons are private in our country, so there are incentives to incarcerating more and more people (because it makes money), and so we actually have an overcrowding problem. Prisoners that are easier to maintain in these hotel-jails are preferred, coupled with Regan's idiotic "war on drugs" policies, and we have a system where pot heads spend longer time locked up than people who molest children (we even have comprehensive online databases where you can see where the thousands of child molesters live in the country! most of them are repeat offenders, and get out of jail pretty easily! god bless the usa!).
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endboss wrote:
One more thing, many prisons are private in our country, so there are incentives to incarcerating more and more people (because it makes money), and so we actually have an overcrowding problem. Prisoners that are easier to maintain in these hotel-jails are preferred, coupled with Regan's idiotic "war on drugs" policies, and we have a system where pot heads spend longer time locked up than people who molest children (we even have comprehensive online databases where you can see where the thousands of child molesters live in the country! most of them are repeat offenders, and get out of jail pretty easily! god bless the usa!).
Ah yes i was wondering where the incentive was for keeping so much of your population in jail for the great crime of ingesting a drug that some moldy church goer did not like 80 years ago. I have not checked into this but let me guess. There is a strong lobby effort to keep simple possession of pot on the law books, yes?

Not that Canada doesn't have it's own problems but at least there are clearly defined roles for provincial and federal law, there seems to be an unholy amount of overlap of responsibility on the State and federal level in the US. Makes my head hurt thinking about how there are conflicts between what is legal on a state level and a fed law saying no that is illegal. :o
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To draw a parallel to the "American Irony" thread, it is ironic that while championing state's rights, conservatives by and large support draconian federal efforts to impose these kinds of far reaching laws that encroach on state's rights for their "[im]moral majority". Of course, congressional democrats deserve their fair share of the blame for the drug wars, but it was mostly Reagan's initiative.

Just check out this stuff:
Reagan's Drug War Legacy | Drugs | AlterNet
The Reagan-Era Drug War Legacy

In America, drugs and sex are unholy evils, while violence is glorified. This might be why there isn't a bigger public outcry for the situation we find ourselves in.
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I only pick up tidbits here and there about the lunacy of how the laws function in other countries. Heck it's silly enough around here. I just hope we don't start incarcerating as many people up here for silly "crimes" as are in the US. At $100,000+/head/year that can get mighty expensive mighty quick.
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