Assassin/Stealth Class!

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:17 am

I'm currently playing a Stealth character, lvl 3, Dark Elf, Female, Thief sign, Custom class Shadowbolt, with Will and End as +5 bonuses. Majors are: Armourer, Alteration, Mysticism, Acrobatics, Marksman, Security, Sneak.

Another Char I am also playing concurrently is Magic based, lvl 6, High Elf, Female, Atronach sign, Custom class Shadowfire, with Str and End as +5 bonuses. Majors are: Armourer, Blade, Alteration, Acrobatics, Marksman, Security, Sneak.
And if you are wondering why she has very similar Majors to the Stealth char, it's because she is very vulnerable, having 25 weakness to Fire, Frost, and Shock, plus not being able to regenerate magica, so she needs to be able to use both a blade and a bow in case she runs out. Later in the game she will be ok, but just now, she needs all the tricks she can use! I've never played Atronach sign before, bar once when I gave up at lvl 2.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:02 am

I have only done some of the recommendation quests for the mage guild and they have been quite enjoyable. Plus I can take all the food from around the guild halls and make potions to sell for money, so far I only have 600 Septim but its getting there ;p

I have some how managed to acquire a black bow without doing what you recommended Ares.. I am unsure how but it seems quite good and is better than anything I had at the time

Also my Sneak is only at 41/42 atm, how high would you recommend me to get it to before ensuring the that the dark brother hood can find me

;D

So far I've cleared 2 dungeons, well atleast I think they were dungeons, caves with doors on that have a lot of chests and some npcs inside that need killing?

I'm finding it quite hard to just randomly find dungeons though which is why I decided to start the mage guild quest line

Your characters seem quite interesting Fljotsdale and I would love to know how you get along with them later on ;D

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:11 pm

Ares2382 wrote:Nope, it's because they stink

:laugh::laugh: And I thought it was just a female opinion!

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:26 pm

Fljotsdale where was it you said to sell my low level stuff? I've forgotten ;p

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:28 pm

Nathxoxo wrote:I have only done some of the recommendation quests for the mage guild and they have been quite enjoyable. Plus I can take all the food from around the guild halls and make potions to sell for money, so far I only have 600 Septim but its getting there ;p

I have some how managed to acquire a black bow without doing what you recommended Ares.. I am unsure how but it seems quite good and is better than anything I had at the time Also my Sneak is only at 41/42 atm, how high would you recommend me to get it to before ensuring the that the dark brother hood can find me ;D

So far I've cleared 2 dungeons, well atleast I think they were dungeons, caves with doors on that have a lot of chests and some npcs inside that need killing? I'm finding it quite hard to just randomly find dungeons though which is why I decided to start the mage guild quest line

Your characters seem quite interesting Fljotsdale and I would love to know how you get along with them later on ;D

Sounds like you've been in caves, Nath.

I usually do some of the quests in the Imperial City when I start out, plus the three locations close to the City: Vilverin, which is an Ayleid Ruin; Dzonot Cave; and Sideways Cave. Vilverin is opposite the place you emerge from the original Sewers; Sideways Cave is found if you walk to the right and look for the headland as you emerge from the original sewer; Dzonot is a cave just over the water near the House for Sale on the Waterfront.

Spoiler stuff, if you want to be spoiled:

Spoiler

Dzonot is pretty straightforward, not very big, and the loot isn't great, but it's saleable and gives you experience. Use your bow, preferably poisoned, for all of 'em, but you'll have to go into melee with the boss at the end after you shoot him. He's tougher.
Sideways is in 3 parts. It's got quite a few imps in it shooting fire, frost or lightening at you. But if you explore the place really well you should find some stuff worth having. Explore each section carefully. Make sure you don't miss a turning in the first section.

Vilverin is the largest of them, and has some useful stuff, besides the usual low-level loot. Your bow will come in very handy here as well, but you will also have some melee fights. There is a magic user at the end. Oh - and there is something purporting to be a 'statue' in the middle of a dangerous area. Take it. Selling it opens another quest after a short while.

Spoiler ends.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:32 pm

Nathxoxo wrote:Fljotsdale where was it you said to sell my low level stuff? I've forgotten ;p

Rindir's Staffs in the Market District of the Imperial City.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:34 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Sounds like you've been in caves, Nath.

I usually do some of the quests in the Imperial City when I start out, plus the three locations close to the City: Vilverin, which is an Ayleid Ruin; Dzonot Cave; and Sideways Cave. Vilverin is opposite the place you emerge from the original Sewers; Sideways Cave is found if you walk to the right and look for the headland as you emerge from the original sewer; Dzonot is a cave just over the water near the House for Sale on the Waterfront.

Ah caves my bad hehe

I'll be sure to head to imperial city and check them 3 locations out once I have some spare time

and thanks for the tips, I'am sure they'll come in handy just like the rest of your tips have ;D

Another question incoming!!

How does the 'haggle' button work exactly? I've clicked it and noticed the slider and what not, if I was to put it all the way to the right side, is that all I need to do in order to get better prices? I would of thought it would of been a bit harder than that

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:35 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Rindir's Staffs in the Market District of the Imperial City.

Thats the one, Rindir!! hehe, thanks once again ;D

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:44 pm

Nathxoxo wrote:Ah caves my bad hehe I'll be sure to head to imperial city and check them 3 locations out once I have some spare time and thanks for the tips, I'am sure they'll come in handy just like the rest of your tips have ;D

Another question incoming!! How does the 'haggle' button work exactly? I've clicked it and noticed the slider and what not, if I was to put it all the way to the right side, is that all I need to do in order to get better prices? I would of thought it would of been a bit harder than that

Yeah it is a bit harder than that! Push it too far over and and they refuse your offer!
Have you tried to play the Persuasion minigame you get when you hit the buton at the extreme left on the conversation options page? If you do it right it will improve their 'liking' level for you, so you will get better prices. It can be a bit of a pain until you get the hang of it. It is simpler just to use Bribe to put up their liking level, but if you are short of cash... Check it out on the Wiki page cos it takes too much typing to describe in detail!

Anyway, after their liking level has gone up as much as it will go, then move the slider until it is 10 or 12 points below their approval level (for most people, that is - for Rindir and Aurilinwe you can push it past their level).

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:57 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Yeah it is a bit harder than that! Push it too far over and and they refuse your offer!
Have you tried to play the Persuasion minigame you get when you hit the buton at the extreme left on the conversation options page? If you do it right it will improve their 'liking' level for you, so you will get better prices. It can be a bit of a pain until you get the hang of it. It is simpler just to use Bribe to put up their liking level, but if you are short of cash... Check it out on the Wiki page cos it takes too much typing to describe in detail! Anyway, after their liking level has gone up as much as it will go, then move the slider until it is 10 or 12 points below their approval level (for most people, that is - for Rindir and Aurilinwe you can push it past their level).

I have yet to try the persuasion minigame but I have noticed it and wondered what it was for, and now I know

I'll check out the wiki page to get a better understanding of it!!

PS: Are petty soul gems worth keeping hold of or should I sell them?

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:38 pm

Question time again guys hehe ;D
Here goes..Right if I was to level up but not sleep to actually 'level up' any skills that effect my attributes such as endurance or agility, would that contribute to the multiplier I'll get when I sleep, or will it contribute for my next level up?

I hope that makes sense ;3

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:11 pm

"PS: Are petty soul gems worth keeping hold of or should I sell them?"

In vanilla Oblivion the're only useful early on. Because all of the creatures level with you, after you get a few levels, you won't find any creatures wimpy enough to fit into those soul gems, and same goes for lesser soul gems and common and so on. The only exception being Grand Soul gems, they can capture creatures of any level and also Black Soul gems which can capture humanoids of any level.

"Question time again guys hehe ;D
Here goes..Right if I was to level up but not sleep to actually 'level up' any skills that effect my attributes such as endurance or agility, would that contribute to the multiplier I'll get when I sleep, or will it contribute for my next level up?

I hope that makes sense ;3"

Ok I'm not a 100% sure I understand what you're asking, but if you're asking whether the skills you level up after you get the "You must sleep to level up" message go to your current level or towards the next level, then the answer is, they go towards the next level.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:24 pm

Ares2382 wrote: Ok I'm not a 100% sure I understand what you're asking, but if you're asking whether the skills you level up after you get the "You must sleep to level up" message go to your current level or towards the next level, then the answer is, they go towards the next level.

Ah ok I see, rightio thanks pal!

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:00 pm

Ares is right about petty soul gems - but not early in the game. You should have found one in the starter dungeon that contains a soul. It's useful for adding a minor enchantment to an item on an alter of enchantment - either your own or at the Mage's Guild University. All soul gems containing souls are also useful for recharging magical weapons (there are other ways to recharge 'em, but don't despise lower-level soul gems - they can be life savers!) If you buy the Soul Trap spell, and you have empty soul gems, you can fill 'em yourself.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:08 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Ares is right about petty soul gems - but not early in the game. You should have found one in the starter dungeon that contains a soul. It's useful for adding a minor enchantment to an item on an alter of enchantment - either your own or at the Mage's Guild University. All soul gems containing souls are also useful for recharging magical weapons (there are other ways to recharge 'em, but don't despise lower-level soul gems - they can be life savers!) If you buy the Soul Trap spell, and you have empty soul gems, you can fill 'em yourself.

So any soul gem can recharge a magical weapon right back up to all its uses?

Ares2382 · Post by **Ares2382** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:06 am

Nathxoxo wrote:So any soul gem can recharge a magical weapon right back up to all its uses?

Not all the way. It depends on how powerful the soul trapped in the soul gem. Note I said how powerful the SOUL is not how powerful the SOUL GEM is.

Meaning a Petty Soul Gem with a Petty Soul will recharge an item for the same amount as a Grand Soul Gem with a Petty Soul in it. But a Grand Soul Gem with a Grand Soul in it will recharge for way more.

I don't remember the exact amounts, though I'm sure you can find it in the wiki.

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:53 am

Ares2382 wrote:Not all the way. It depends on how powerful the soul trapped in the soul gem. Note I said how powerful the SOUL is not how powerful the SOUL GEM is.

Meaning a Petty Soul Gem with a Petty Soul will recharge an item for the same amount as a Grand Soul Gem with a Petty Soul in it. But a Grand Soul Gem with a Grand Soul in it will recharge for way more.

I don't remember the exact amounts, though I'm sure you can find it in the wiki.

Ah ok mate, do I have to trap the souls my self? Because atm I am sure they are empty lol!

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:32 am

Nathxoxo wrote:So any soul gem can recharge a magical weapon right back up to all its uses?

No! Would that it could!

The top level soul gems can recharge most items fully - you get told how much it will recharge when you go to use it on an item - but lower-level souls can give you enough juice to help get you out of trouble; and of course, if you have several low level filled gems you can use 'em all up to get as much juice into your magical item as possible. Don't waste high-level gems on minor magic weapons cos they will very likely have more juice than the weapon can hold so anything over the weapon limit is wasted: the gems don't store parts of souls!

Nathxoxo · Post by **Nathxoxo** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:06 am

Fljotsdale wrote:No! Would that it could!

The top level soul gems can recharge most items fully - you get told how much it will recharge when you go to use it on an item - but lower-level souls can give you enough juice to help get you out of trouble; and of course, if you have several low level filled gems you can use 'em all up to get as much juice into your magical item as possible. Don't waste high-level gems on minor magic weapons cos they will very likely have more juice than the weapon can hold so anything over the weapon limit is wasted: the gems don't store parts of souls!

Ah ok thanks for answering my question

I have yet another one

Is there like a bank where I can store some of my items? I am having to delete items when in a dungeon or cave to make space to pick up the items in the dungeon so I can sell them and make profit, which is rather annoying ;p

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:59 am

Nathxoxo wrote:Ah ok thanks for answering my question

I have yet another one Is there like a bank where I can store some of my items? I am having to delete items when in a dungeon or cave to make space to pick up the items in the dungeon so I can sell them and make profit, which is rather annoying ;p

No, no bank.

However, if you buy a house and some furnishings you will have somewhere to store stuff. I would suggest you aim to buy the cheapest house you can, which is on the Waterfront of the Imperial city and only costs 2,000 septims. Go to The Office of Imperial Commerce in the Market District. You will need to get Vinincia's approval level to 50 and she will sell you the house and tell you where to buy furnishings. When you have enough cash to buy furniture, get the Storage first - you will then have 3 containers to store stuff in.
In the meantime, you can store stuff temporarily in containers you can find anywhere. I prefer to use a container in the Market District, because they don't respawn as frequently as other containers. Even so, don't leave anything more than a few days gametime. In your own house, you can store permanently: the containers there don't respawn.