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lebuff · Post by **lebuff** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:47 pm

I made a really long thread about how RPGs aren't as good as they were, but something happened and I lost it so out of pure laziness I'll post this summerized version.

Has anyone else noticed RPGs are being Dumbed down (For lack of a better word.)? Developers are making games that gamers that normally play Call of Duty can enjoy. RPGs nowadays seem to hold your hand and give you battle even when on a simple quest to receive a loaf of bread. When a really good RPG comes out I notice that most of the gamers demand multiplayer. I feel that RPGs are becoming less of what I loved about them when I got hooked on them. Some RPGs today I feel like i'm playing a First Person Shooter with swords and magic.

AvatarOfLight · Post by **AvatarOfLight** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:03 pm

Are RPGs Evolving or Dying?
Seems like a pretty good place to discuss this

Also note that you can find all your posts through your profile page.

lebuff · Post by **lebuff** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:11 pm

No, it didn't sucessfully post it so I had to rewrite it.

robinban · Post by **robinban** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:48 am

lebuff wrote:No, it didn't sucessfully post it so I had to rewrite it.

emmm,that's weird

ricksog · Post by **ricksog** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:12 am

PC's games today suffers of a disease called "ps3 - xbox version"..strategy disappear and games become or too much easy or too much frustrating.. "arcade", the magic word that means "for brainless"..

TAKR86 · Post by **TAKR86** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:04 pm

lebuff wrote:No, it didn't sucessfully post it so I had to rewrite it.

That happens to me a lot too! Now, every time I post in the forums section I always copy what I've written, so it doesn't dissapear.

LastDanceSaloon · Post by **LastDanceSaloon** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:05 pm

I have noted this problem on many occassions, most recently just a few days ago in the "what's wrong with gamebansee" thread.

Basically, the site logs you out after about 1 minute so when you click post you have to re-log-in for anything more than a sentence or two.

My usual method is to write, copy, refresh, re-log-in, paste then post.

Kipi believes that if you tick the cookies box next to the log-in boxes at the top right of the screen this problem will end - but I'm guessing you will have cookies implanted on your pc, dunno, haven't tried it yet, I'm still totally automated to the copy and paste process.

doady · Post by **doady** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:34 pm

ricksog wrote:PC's games today suffers of a disease called "ps3 - xbox version"..strategy disappear and games become or too much easy or too much frustrating.. "arcade", the magic word that means "for brainless"..

There are still plenty of turn-based RPGs and turn-based tactics/strategy-RPGs for PS3 and Xbox360 and other consoles. The dumbing down of RPGs is mostly a PC gaming thing and has nothing to do with consoles.

galraen · Post by **galraen** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:41 pm

doady wrote:The dumbing down of RPGs is mostly a PC gaming thing and has nothing to do with consoles.

You are joking obviously, but you should have used an emoticon to make it clear.

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:18 pm

In these threads I think its important to distinguish between consoles/games. And people who own or play a console. Many of the games are checkers to pc chess. But that doesn't mean that there aren't brilliant people who enjoy consoles. Just as there are brilliant people who watch tv which is even more dumbed down than consoles!

galraen · Post by **galraen** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:21 am

You're right in that it's not about the people who own consoles, but the way game developers perceive them Claudius. The majority of devs have decided it seems that console owners are about 12 years old on average, and with a very short attention span, and gear the games accordingly. Some of them have even effectively admitted as much.

a00krido · Post by **a00krido** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:18 am

ricksog wrote:pc's games today suffers of a disease called "ps3 - xbox version"..strategy disappear and games become or too much easy or too much frustrating.. "arcade", the magic word that means "for brainless"..

qft

doady · Post by **doady** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:52 pm

galraen wrote:You are joking obviously, but you should have used an emoticon to make it clear.

The consoles didn't give us the Diablo-style RPG, or the MMORPG.

Console games in general are a lot more hardcore and a lot more difficult than PC games. PC gamers wouldn't be able to handle the difficulty of games like Ikaruga, Shinobi, or even Super Mario Bros Wii. And again, consoles are still getting turn-based games, whereas PC is all real-time. If you think console games are dumbed down, you obviously don't know much about games.

And plus, the console gamer is at least hardcore enough to buy games instead of just pirating them. And the probably the real reason (other than Diablo and Ultima Online) that PC RPGs have been dumbed down . It doesn't seem worth it for developers to make PC-exclusive games anymore, let alone games for the hardcore PC gamer.

galraen · Post by **galraen** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:39 pm

Oblivion was dumbed down from Morrowind specifically to cater for consoles, the same is true of other games over the last ten years give or take.

True Piracy has been cited as a reason for transferring games to consoles sadly, but that has been to maximise the profit. The simple truth is for RPGs far more could be accomplished on PCs, but with the obsession with the 'bottom line', the market has become console orientated. Because of the limitations of consoles, this has lead to a simplifying of the games.

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:04 pm

Yeah if you watch Yahtzee from escapists review on Witcher he complains how you need a doctorate to play the game and so forth. He is a console player and can't be bothered with such games. However if you listen to his comedy its clear he has a very imaginitive active mind which is intelligence.

ricksog · Post by **ricksog** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:40 pm

doady wrote:The consoles didn't give us the Diablo-style RPG

No, poor game-designers give us Diablo, but slowly every pc game with a console version has been dumbed down..last example for me is Dragon Age2 that should be a classic pc games but I would have done better to buy ps3 version, 'cause I had a lot of problem with installation and the depht of the game is ridicolous for what it claims to be..a joypad is sufficient..

I love all videogames, it's my way to evade a bit, I own ps2 and 3 too, and sometimes I like to test me with gran turismo, sometimes I like to turn me off and kick Vegeta's ass in tenkaichi hitting furiously a single key and play brainless, that was not an insult to anyone naturally..
And I love Final Fantasy saga that's where I've found more depht than in any other console-oriented game..
But (apart from FF) are games like Baldur's Gate that gave me real satisfaction and I still remember, and they're disappeared that's the fact..
Rules have been more and more simplified, gameplay has become more and more arcade and suddenly even this kind of games was ready for the console, that has a larger target of custumers (childs and groups of friends maybe that won't last a minute playing a game like BG, or an old graphic adventure like Monkey Island, even these have become extinct).
The fact itself to play on pc, to install the game, to deal with the problems that everyone knows, is not so obvious or easy as it seems, so the target for pc games, I think, are in any case people who have the patience and the will to play a game like an Rpg (a real one)..that's not true for consoles, where a game like this cuts off a large part of the market, and maybe not worth the effort to produce it for pc only..

Rpg have evolved from Dungeon master and Eye of the Beholder to the top with the AD&D oriented games (that's what I miss) like BG, on wich they had an entire literature to squeeze, if they had the will. Then the fall, I think we'll never play nothing like that anymore..but surely we'll have to change our graphic card more often.