Claudius wrote:On leldon did you open the treasure room. The puzzles in the house set you to open the 'safe', a locked room.
Jaheira wrote:Yes, i did the "puzzle" and got the treasure. Thats the point, as to speak =) I dont get whats wrong.. the collectors mansion is the last thing with Ledon, right?
Thx for your posts.Scottg wrote:That was it.. (small house near the crypts in the Blacklake district). Leldon should show up after you have opened the safe room, but if you didn't have Neeshka with you at the time there might be a "bug".
Jaheira wrote:Thx for your posts.
Yes, ofc i have Neeshka in my party. Now, and then. I will google a bit more, theese quests-bug seems common. The quest about Leldon says something like "this is not the last you will see of Leldon".
Cheers
Jeh,
Scottg wrote:That's really weird..
He should show up as soon as you get the combination right and start to enter the vault room. At that point he shows himself, attacks, and you kill him. There is a little "cut-scene" with Neeshka, and Leldon at Leldon's death and that's the end of it.
The Neeshka/Leldon encounters should progress like this:
1. Attacked near the "Watch" headquarters in the Docks district,
2. Attacked the first time you enter the Merchant's district,
3. Steal the Coin quest in the Merchant's district house (info. from Ophelia at the Moonstone Mask),
4. Leldon sends someone to Neeshka when she is in your party as soon as you step out of the Inn. Mentions a meet and greet at night in the park in the Merchant's district. Leldon meets there, you fight, he slips out before being killed and THEN you get the "this is not the last you've seen of Leldon" message.
5. Leldon sends a girl to Neeshka when she is in your party as soon as you step out of the Inn again AND have access to the Blacklake district. Here you get the "Collector" quest. (..actually he sends a girl out even if she isn't in your party, but she won't deliver the message without Neeshka in your party.)
6. Rob the Collector's vault and Leldon shows up (and you kill him). Neeshka should be there at the time..
-the end.
Note sometimes I don't get #4 because I don't use Neeshka that often (and the sequence is based on leaving the Inn), with the "Knock" spell rod purchased from Gretta in the Docks (..which open's locks even if it doesn't do anything about traps - and for that I just take the damage and then rest).
That report references the "Coin" quest, or step 3 in my list.Jaheira wrote:Maybe I should try to go to The mask again .. but if I remember correctly, I have already done it. Will try some different things, right now I'm working on a longer quest a bit outside Neverwinter.
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I will report more fully later!
Thx
Scottg wrote:That report references the "Coin" quest, or step 3 in my list.
Jaheira wrote:Ah okey, i little odd cuz iam kinda sure i have spoken to Ophelia at the Mask. But i will try again!
btw, exactly what does those sleep, fear etc mean:
Feyduster +2
Enhancement Bonus: =2
Special Properties: Sleep DC=16 50% / 2 rounds
DC 16?
The question is if this sleep-chance is "better" than for example + 1D6 Acid dmg.
Scottg wrote:Ophelia at the "Mask" tells you where Leldon's house is in the Merchant's district.. THEN you go their and steal the coin. From your Neeshka and Leldon report you have done that already. In fact (if you've done the "Collector" final quest), then you actually did the "Coin" quest quite some time ago. (..which is very likely considering that you are at level 14-15 now.)
DC (Difficulty Class) is the *save* calculation portion of the Sleep effect on the sword.
The higher the number (DC), the more likely the effect (Sleep) will work IF it rolls within that 50% calculation.
Ex.
assuming you hit the target with that weapon (as an "attack" in a round) then:
Step 1. 50% calculation (if it's a 20 sided dice) then "rolling" an 11 though 20 (which is good) will result in moving onto the Immunity check,
Step 2. Immunity Check - if the target is immune (like Undead with respect to all mental effects like Sleep or targets like Elves that have a racial immunity specific only to Sleep), then the calculation stops there. If the target isn't immune then move onto step 3.
Step 3. Next you compare the DC vs. the target's Save for the save-type of that effect.
Sleep is a mental effect, therefor it's a Will save. (..so is Stun.)
Your opponent will have a Will save of some type based on character level, class level and structure, attribute modifier, and any bonuses (like from spells or equipment).
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Saving_throw
Say the target is a low Will save class level 9 (which is common: Ex. Fighter which has only a High fortitude save and low Reflex and Will saves)
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Class_BAB_progression
So class level 9 the low save bonus is +3.
Further, lets say that the target has no other bonuses (with a Wisdom of 10 which provides neither a bonus nor a negative to Will saves).
The calculation then is:
Your DC 16 vs. the targets Will save of 3 + d20 (which is rolling a 20-sided dice).
IF the target rolls 13 or better then Sleep FAILS (with no effect). (..3 + 13 = 16 which meets the 16 of your sword.) If the target rolls a 12 or less then the target is put to sleep for 2 rounds OR until the target is hit again (which wakes them up).
Note this is the same sort of calculation with Spells. The only difference is that you don't have a "set" DC of 16 or so, rather it's based on several factors from your character (and the spell itself):
DC = 10 + (spell level) + (spellcaster's ability modifier) + (spellcaster's feat bonuses) + (epic bonus)
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Difficulty_class
So why would you want Sleep as an effect?
It incapacitates the target IF it works. In that respect it's more defensive (i.e. they won't be attacking you). It can ALSO be more offensive IF you have sneak attack damage for your character using the weapon AND IF the target is NOT immune to sneak attacks or critical hits. IF the target can be sneak attacked then every-time they fall asleep you'll get your sneak attack damage bonus (which could be substantial) on the next successful attack - assuming the target is still asleep (which means no one else has hit it or damaged the target AND it's within the 2 rounds of the effect of the sword).
What's better, Acid of 1d6 or Sleep effect? Depends on the opponent/target and their "roll" on the save, and on your character's abilities (like sneak attack damage).
(..with bows and fairly close action to opponents she gets-in a lot of attacks of opportunity (which are often sneak attacks IF she's close enough to the opponent). The thing you have to watch out for is making sure she doesn't attack until after a meat-shield character has drawn most of the threat by attacking first.. and that's not easy considering Neeshka's high initiative. Once a meat-shield has done that then she's pretty safe from attack.) The reason I do it like this is because in melee she is VERY prone to being killed because of her usually low AC. By level 15 (14 for her) though she could be wearing some pretty powerful equipment to give her a high AC. Shields with excellent AC bonus are a must if melee.GawainBS wrote:I'd go with the dagger. The Sleep effect is too weak to depend upon (lowish DC, 50% chance only in the first place, lots of immune things) and the moment it takes effect, it's negated because you're hitting the enemy again. Unless you micromanage VERY well.
The only does 1 less damage on average, excluding Keen. While the Stun might not take more often effect than the sleep, when it does, it's awesome.
Claudius wrote:A way to make her melee is to use the +3 small shield available when you first enter neverwinter. It is good for 4 AC. I also took combat expertise and kept the mode on. That nicely progresses to feint which is a debuff that everyone can benefit from and a way to 'drive home' the sneaks. You might think that it would lower the AB too much, but that's not how OC is scaled I mean she can still mostly hit with the -3 AB combat expertise; it's better to have her alive and hitting less.
So with those 2 changes that reduces the hits by 7AC = 35% less hits to her. Plus feint!
GawainBS wrote:The Dagger you suggested is +2, meaning +2 to hit. Compare it to other weapons to get an idea.
Claudius wrote:the penalty of dual wielding two medium weapons is -4
the penalty of dual wielding a medium and a small (or two small) is -2
I think that's what you meant. I would only ever do the second unless just for giggles I am dualwielding heavier weapons.
