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Originally posted by HighLordDave:
<STRONG>If the producers wanted convincing voice talent in those roles, perhaps they should have tapped Jenette Goldstein and Al Matthews (Vasquez and Apone from Aliens) to do the parts.</STRONG>
LOL
Well, they pretty much transplanted the characters wholesale, so why not the actors too... :rolleyes: ;)

I agree that the movie looked pretty good, although IMO the CGI is too flawless to ever quite look real. But the script was full of cliches and the characters were superficial, as well as the trouble with the plot.

It gets 4/10, and that's cos it looks pretty. Still, I don't understand why you'd want to spend quite so much money on animating virtual hair nicely (although I have to say, in places Aki's hair was better animated than her face) when you could just film it.
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Joe Dirt, coolest movie in the world....well, I was looking for something more relevant to say, but I forgat what it was. Oh well, I must have been gonna lie to you all. :rolleyes: :cool:
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Originally posted by Zelgadis:
<STRONG>I saw Memento a few days ago. Its a pretty cool movie.<snip></STRONG>
I have to agree with this. It's a very cleverly constructed movie. The first time I saw it, I missed the first 10 minutes or so, which didn't help the general confusion, but even when you saw the beginning it bears a second viewing once you've straightened out the chronology in your head :D Plus, the first time I saw it, I found the ending rather ambiguous; the second time, I was certain about it. My advice is: see this movie more than once ;)

I could go on more about it but, well, I can't be bothered :D
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I liked the Final Fantasy movie. I think we should give the movie credit for being the first movie to use all virtual characters and virtual props. I think it is a groundwork for other similar types of movie to follow. I love the animation, it's THE BEST I've ever seen in a movie.

I saw "The One" last week. Man, what a disappointment. I can't believe I wasted 6 dollars when I can rent from my video store for 3 dollars a Chinese Jet Li movie that's a lot better than "The One". This movie totally lacks in story telling and plot. In the beginning of the movie I was quite confused about who is who. The movie drags. The good fighting sequence only occur occasionally in the movie. The final fight is really good, but I was hoping that after the fight, things would wrap up. The ending does not wrap up the story, and it seems like the ending is telling me that there's going to be a sequel. I don't know about you guys, but I am not going to see it.
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Originally posted by humanflyz:
<STRONG>I liked the Final Fantasy movie. I think we should give the movie credit for being the first movie to use all virtual characters and virtual props.</STRONG>
Someone please explain why this is such a great thing? :rolleyes:
<STRONG>I think it is a groundwork for other similar types of movie to follow.</STRONG>
If it's a choice between films of this type (good but expensive FX, with bad script etc.) and films that have a good plot, script, characters etc., but don't spend a lot of money on hi-tech FX, I'll take the latter, thanks.

When they produce a movie that has quality in both areas, then I'll be impressed. Good animation cannot be a substitute for a decent script.
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From Hell

On a scale from 1-10.9754957, I give it a 8.56565.

It had a good plot and Johnny Dep and Heather Grahm are very good actors.
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Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>If it's a choice between films of this type (good but expensive FX, with bad script etc.) and films that have a good plot, script, characters etc., but don't spend a lot of money on hi-tech FX, I'll take the latter, thanks.

When they produce a movie that has quality in both areas, then I'll be impressed. Good animation cannot be a substitute for a decent script.</STRONG>
The script being good or bad is left up to the veiwer. Personally, I found the script well done, especially for game-to-movie adaptation. I might add I've seen better scripts, but all in all, it wasn't all that bad.
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Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>The script being good or bad is left up to the veiwer. Personally, I found the script well done, especially for game-to-movie adaptation. I might add I've seen better scripts, but all in all, it wasn't all that bad.</STRONG>
Ummm... well if you're going to go for the total subjectivity angle, it would apply to whatever movie... Sorry, but I think it is possible to objectively judge a script, and FF was not good.

Plus, I couldn't care less if it's better than other game-to-movie adaptations. I know they are notoriously bad (and how long is it going to take these people to know better?), but once a movie is made, I'm going to judge it against other movies. The fact of it being a game adaptation is not an excuse for it being crap. If it wasn't possible to make a good script out of it, then they shouldn't have bothered. :rolleyes:
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The lure of video-game adaptations is like that of novel and TV adaptations: there is a built-in audience. People who play Mortal Kombat, Tomb Raider, and Final Fantasy will probably go see its namesake movie. The same can be said for Star Trek and Star Wars movies. Some folks will go see anything that has their favourite franchise's logo on it.

Unfortunately, most video-game adaptations fall somewhere between bad and horrible (Hello . . . Street Fighter, Super Mario, Mortal Kombat: Annhilation!). While you're right that being an adaptation is not an excuse to be crap, it does mean that the movie will bring with it a level of guaranteed financial return.
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@HLDave You're right, of course. And unfortunately it doesn't even end with game adaptations. It seems Hollywood can get away with making any old rubbish, and it will still pull in the punters. :rolleyes: And so they keep on making it. One only has to look at the last summer's movies, they were shockingly bad. The best movies I saw were Shrek, and A Knight's Tale. A sad state of affairs.
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@Georgi: I know longer feel as if your veiwing objectivly. The only reasons I've seen you express to not liking the movie has been that you didn't like the script, and you feel a game-to-movie film is no excuse for being bad.

I beleive that you are missing some of the finer points to the movie, such as it's amazing work with CGI, which is unparalled at the time being. As I have said, the script isn't the best,but compared to some of the other crap being put on the market these days, it's worthy of the pulitzer. I know the movie has it's downsides, but I alos know it has it's ups. I also know I'm a fan of the FF series, and feel this movie did not do the series justice, but that doesn't make it an overly bad movie.

I'll leave it at that, as I don't feel a big discussion about this one movie is needed. I respect your opion on the movie, as long as you respect mine. :)
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<STRONG>The only reasons I've seen you express to not liking the movie has been that you didn't like the script</STRONG>
Firstly, I didn't go into detail about what I disliked about the movie because HighLordDave covered most of it in his post.
What I did say was

But the script was full of cliches and the characters were superficial, as well as the trouble with the plot.

As I say, I agree with HLD's criticisms of the plot, and I mentioned two reasons for disliking the script. I might add that I didn't go into detail, because I saw the movie months ago, and it isn't especially memorable, and therefore I can't really recall specific examples of all my criticisms. What I remember are my general impressions of it, which is what I was expressing. I would also point out that you didn't at any point query more specifically what I disliked about the script, and it was peripheral to my comment, which was directed less at your assessment of the script than the reasons you gave, which I found unconvincing.
<STRONG>and you feel a game-to-movie film is no excuse for being bad</STRONG>
This was not offered as a reason for disliking the movie/script. It was a critique of your comment

Personally, I found the script well done, especially for game-to-movie adaptation

explaining why I didn't feel that this offers any kind of redeeming feature to the script.

Let's look at your comments on the script, shall we?
<STRONG>I believed the script was done remarkably well
<snip>
The script being good or bad is left up to the veiwer. Personally, I found the script well done, especially for game-to-movie adaptation. I might add I've seen better scripts, but all in all, it wasn't all that bad.
<snip>
As I have said, the script isn't the best,but compared to some of the other crap being put on the market these days, it's worthy of the pulitzer.</STRONG>
I see absolutely no evidence offered here as to the quality of the script, good or otherwise. Merely that you thought it wasn't that bad. Your opinion being more moderate does not make it any more objective than my comments. You obviously think that it being a game-to-movie adaptation means that it can get away with a lower calibre script, and that good CGI makes up for lack of quality in other areas of the movie; I disagree, but if you like eye candy movies that's up to you I guess.
<STRONG>I beleive that you are missing some of the finer points to the movie, such as it's amazing work with CGI</STRONG>
Finer points? :rolleyes: Well if you think the only reason anyone went to that movie is a finer point then whatever, but I believe I said

I agree that the movie looked pretty good, although IMO the CGI is too flawless to ever quite look real.
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It gets 4/10, and that's cos it looks pretty.


Oh, and

Good animation cannot be a substitute for a decent script.

As you can see, I did in fact acknowledge that the movie has good CGI.
I know the movie has it's downsides, but I alos know it has it's ups
As do I. And its major good point is the animation, which I conceded. You seem to imply that an objective opinion would find both good and bad points in any movie. This is incorrect, IMO; an objective viewer will look for good and bad points in any movie. The failure to find any good points, and subsequent conclusion that a movie is bad, does not remove objectivity. You conveniently ignore my critique of your comment that

The script being good or bad is left up to the veiwer.

which is a total cop-out; as I said, total subjectivity. You didn't answer this, but rather accused me of not being objective (presumably as opposed to you, being objective though demonstrably offering no more evidence for your case than I had).
<STRONG>I also know I'm a fan of the FF series, and feel this movie did not do the series justice, but that doesn't make it an overly bad movie.</STRONG>
I never even mentioned the question of whether the movie did justice to the game; as it happens, I've never played a FF game in my life. My opinion on the movie is based on its strengths and weaknesses as a movie.
<STRONG>I'll leave it at that, as I don't feel a big discussion about this one movie is needed. I respect your opion on the movie, as long as you respect mine.</STRONG>
No, this long reply is not because I want to convince you of my opinion on the movie. It's because I felt a rebuttal of your criticism of my comments on the movie was necessary, as well as an explanation that I didn't think your comments were supported any better than mine. That done, I'm happy to let the matter drop. ;)

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My wife and I just saw on Turner Classics a film I'd first seen almost 40 years ago--The 5000 Fingers of Doctor T. I was bowled over by it then; saw it again in college; saw it with my wife when I videotaped it off the television once many years ago, as well. It's a great fantasy, one of the truly great and neglected classics of film.

It was made in the early 50's, and had a screenplay, lyrics, and a lot of set design by Theodore Geisel--who is better known today as Dr. Seuss. There is a great deal of Seussian character about this film, which has a "typical kid" (played by Tommy Rettig, of Lassie fame) who wants to play catch outside and run around, but who is harassed and bullied by a strict authoritarian piano teacher (played by Hans Conried). Rettig's mother (played by Mary Healy) wants him to practice, too, and he thinks she's hypnotized. The boy's only friend seems to be the local plumber, Mr. Zabeldowski (played by Peter Lind Hayes). As he's practicing a horrible little exercise for some kind of group recital the following week, the boy falls asleep...

...And wakes up in a Kafkesque nightmare world that mixes cubism and surrealism, a land where Conried's Professor Terwerliger rules. As the boy tries to run, he comes across oversized, oddly shaped television screens running odd messages--like one that shows a bust of Terwiliger with Conried intoning, "If you practice diligently at Terwiliger Institute, you will find that you grow to become a concert pianist of stature. But if you try to escape--" and the camera cuts to the outside image of an enormous complex in silhouette--"you will discover the perimeters of the complex are ee-LEC-trofied, ee-LEC-trofied, ee-LEC-trofied..." with the barbed wire flashing and hissing in time to Conried's voice.

And so it goes. There are enormous, bending ladders, that lead to...nothing. In signs that lead to out signs, with nothing in between. A pair of jailkeepers dressed in turn of the century suits, joined by an enormous beard, on rollerskates. A dungeon where the prisoners are all players of other instruments except the piano. (Terwiliger made a point before the boy, Bart, started dreaming, of poking fun at "scratchy violins, screeching picolos," etc.)

Terwiliger has hynotized the Bart's mother; Mr. Zabeldowski helps them escape, over a very long and fascinating, delightful tale. There's tons of typical nonsensical Seussian lyrics, and Conried has the time of his life as the lead villian. Rettig gets a number that's astonishing in the way it strikes to the heart of kids--singing about how it's unfair to shout and beat people because they're smaller, or that growing beards doesn't mean you grow any additional sense, etc. All this, in a 50's film, too.

The choreography, sets, and costuming match the bizarre Seussian atmosphere, and the music presents a delightful satire on various popular forms of the day. Needless to add, the film had its budget slashed by the studio before release, was underpublicized, and bombed. Only in recent years has it become a "cult classic."

A roommate of mine in college (who also worked at the college theater boxoffice) told me that Conried came there to give several performances a couple of years earlier, and he (my roommate) had asked Conried what his favorite role was. "Oh, something no one's ever heard of. A character in a film called The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T," he replied.

I heartily recommend this unusual and delightful film, which is now being marketing and rented quite successfully. One final, trivia note: a friend of mine who works as a programmer for New World Computing (the producers of Might & Magic) is named Tommy Rettig, Jr. His dad was the 12-year-old kid named Bart in the film, and also the star of Lassie. Died about 5 years ago, had 3 kids--all of 'em, programmers. ;)

EDIT: I just did some research on the film, and discovered some interesting material about it. Evidently, Seuss hated it--because he had submitted a 1200 page first draft for the original filming! He was totally unrealistic in his expectations. Stanley Kramer produced it and actually wished to direct it, but the film company wanted someone cheaper and easier to manipulate--so they brought in a hack. The film was shot to take 2 hours, 20 minutes; the company said it would be released no longer than 1 hour, 45 minutes. It was cut to that, and released, then previewed to a Pasadena audience in a theater where the air conditioning died. The audience left, the company panicked, and another 15 minutes was excised from the film.

Some people have been searching about to see if an original, uncut version exists. The released version has been rereleased, and is now regarded as a minor masterpiece by several Important People in the film industry. Cut songs were evidently saved from the trash, and were released in a bootleg album alongside the included film music a number of years ago.

Fascinating stuff. I still recommend this film. It's wonderfully Seussian, and an opportunity to see his work at a relatively early stage in his popularity with one of his favorite artists (Conried).

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...and just in case you're interested, here's the text to "Little Kids," which I referred to, above. Surprisingly insightful in the way it reflects how children often see the scary world of adults, and very unlike the way children were regarded back in the 1950s:

Now just because we're kids
Because we're sorta small
Because we're closer to the ground
And you're bigger pound by pound
You have no right
You have no right
To push us little kids around.

Now just because your throat
has got a deeper voice
And lots of wind to blow it out
At little kids who dare to shout
You have no right
You have no right
To push and beat us little kids around

Just because you have
whiskers on your face to shave
You treat us like a slave
So what? It's only hair.
Just because you wear
A wallet near your heart
You think you're twice as smart
You know that isn't fair
But we'll grow up one day
And when we do I pray
We won't just grow in size and sound
and just be bigger pound by pound
I'd hate to grow like some I know
Who like to push and shove us little kids around.


Here's the text, in turn, to Doe Me Doe Day, the song that Conried sings when he's getting dressed by his half a dozen valets for the big recital day. Of course, he isn't being dressed in any of these items, but their combination of wild fantasy and satire on high society dame is wonderfully Seussian:

Come on and dress me dress me dress me in my finest array!
Cause just in case you haven't heard
Today is doe-me-doe day!

Dress me in my silver garters, dress me in my diamond studs
Cause I'm going doe-me-doe-ing in my doe-me-doe duds!
I want my undulating undies with the maribou frills!
I want my beautiful bolero with the porcupine quills!
I want my purple nylon girdle with the orange blossom buds
Cause I'm going doe-me-doe-ing in my doe-me-doe duds!

Come on and dress me! dress me! dress me!
In my peek-a-boo blouse
With the lovely inner lining made of Chesapeake mouse!
I want my polka-dotted ****ie with the crinolin fringe
For I'm going doe-me-doe-ing on a doe-me-doe binge!

I want my lavender spats and in addition to them
I want my honey-colored gosset with the herring bone hem
I want my softest little jacket made of watermelon suede
And my long persimmon placket with the platinum braid
I want my leg of mutton sleeves and in addition to those
I want my cutie chamois booties with the leopard skin bows
I want my pink brocaded bodice with the floofy fuzzy ruffs
And my gorgeous bright blue bloomers
With the monkey feather cuffs
I want my organdy snood and in addition to that
I want my chiffon Mother Hubbard lined with Hudson Bay rat
Dress me up from top to bottom, dress me up from tip to toe
Dress me up in silk and spinach for today is doe-me-doe day!
DOE-ME-DOE DAY!

So come and dress me in the blossoms of a million pink trees!
Come on and dress me up in liverwurst! and camembert cheese!
Come on and dress me up in pretzels, dress me up in bock beer suds! Cause I'm gooooo-ing
--doe-me-dooooooooo-ing--
in my doe-me-doe duds!

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It's my first time looking at this thread and I found a review of LOTR, by EMINEM, way back on the first page...

The post is dated 10-7-2001,but was obviously edited just today or something. Anyway, the review is there, and I'm sure there will be much discussion on this film as its probably really significant to all of us who read and post here...

So, before we all get swamped with Tolkien-mania, I want to recommend a movie I saw recently on video to anyone who (like me) likes SF literature but finds most sci-fi movies disappointing.

"Cube" (1999), is a low budget sf thriller set in a bizarre maze that is full of deadly traps. Characters trapped in the maze find every room to be identical to the last: a perfect cube with a small square door in each wall, ceiling and floor. Some rooms are trapped, some aren't, and the characters (a cop, a doctor, a programmer, a student, a convict, an idiot-savant) have no idea how/why they are there, or how to get out.

For those of us tired of Matrix-style pumped up action, "Cube" is a welcome break from effects-driven movies. As the characters explore the incomprehensible world they are in, they are forced to use the minimal amounts of information available to survive. Ther is no "Morpheus" to come along and explain it all midway through the movie. And the "answers", as they slowly become revealed, only raise more questions. More dialogue driven than most movies in this genre, there is an element of characterization uncommon in sci-fi.

Well, I could go on, but then I risk giving away the plot, but I mention this movie because it really restored my faith in movie-makers to bring intelligent sf to the screen. Sorry I don't know who's behind this movie, or even the names of the actors. I understand, though, that there is a sequel in the works, which I await eagerly.

So if you're going crazy waiting for the lineups to the Fellowship to shorten, you could try this one out, in the meantime.

PS I noticed no one even mentioned Harry Potter on this thread... :D
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The cop used to be in mediocre Sci-Fi series "Psi-Factor" and also was once in "Forever Knight" (as a transvestite).

The mathematical actress was in the last series of DS9 - Ezree Dax IIRC.

As for the others they are unknown to me.

I liked Cube to some degree, it was certainly an inspiration in many ways, i think it only really becomes a great film after viewed many times, on first viewing you are kind of dissapointed IMO.

I agree with you review :)

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It's my first time looking at this thread and I found a review of LOTR, by EMINEM, way back on the first page...
The post is dated 10-7-2001,but was obviously edited just today or something. Anyway, the review is there, and I'm sure there will be much discussion on this film as its probably really significant to all of us who read and post here...


Not really. If you'd read further, you'd have found out that Eminem posted it as a deliberate hoax. ;)
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Originally posted by Aegnor:
<STRONG>PS I noticed no one even mentioned Harry Potter on this thread... </STRONG>
That's probably because there was a whole thread devoted to it ;)

I have been wanting to see Cube for some time, and my local arthouse cinema actually showed it recently, but I couldn't get there :( Still, I'm sure I'll find it sometime ;)
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Originally posted by fable:
Not really. If you'd read further, you'd have found out that Eminem posted it as a deliberate hoax. ;) [/QB]
:o Of course it is! This is exactly why i shouldn't post before coffee! Good one.
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