Shadow vs Red Dragon

Ro´Jadre · Post by **Ro´Jadre** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:45 pm

I heard she had better stats than Firkraag (at least more HP (from the same dragon topic)).

Shorah

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:14 pm

I fought most dragons very late, and the far easiest was the shadow dragon. Firkraag was easier than the silver dragon, whom in my oppinion is the toughest thing in the game. The black is about as strong as Firkraag, but at that time you got better equipment.

I didnt cheat in any way defeating them, never attacked them while blue or anything, if you do that it is different. A reason the shadow dragon can be tough, however, is that you cant summon up your monsters before the battle, he atttacks them then

TheHellion · Post by **TheHellion** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:17 pm

Whoah, green dragon? I don't remember ever fighting a green one. Did I just compeletely miss something here?

Ro´Jadre · Post by **Ro´Jadre** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:27 pm

It's the dragon in hell.

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Nick_Dude · Post by **Nick_Dude** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:38 pm

Yeah, you have to take the EVIL path in the test of pride.

vbarash · Post by **vbarash** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 7:18 pm

Has any1 had this happen to them:

I attacked Firkraag already in Chap. 6, w/ powerful ppl, but I found that you can TWO HIT kill him (!!!!) w/ a high degree of probability even if you're in chap. 2!!!!

Use: Wand of wonder
Firgraag: petrified
Keldorn: critical hit
Firskraag: death
Your party has gained 64000 exp!!!!!

* Unfortunately you cannot loot the dragon's items (duh!) this way *

After realizing I'd rather get the items, the figtht suddenly became A LOT harder. I had to try 3x, and what I finally did was waste 5 charges on the staff of Fire, surround him w/ the Fire elementals, Keldorn, Berserked Minsk, shapeshifter (Greater Werewolf) Cernd, and have them all hit him for about 5 mins. After the usual 400 lines of "weapon ineffective", Firkraag throwing my party around the room like pixie stick, the elementals near death, finally they ALL hit him at the same time!!! The dragon went instantly to badly injured and this is where the "fatality" comes in: two cones of cold from Nalia and Aerie. Unfortunately, the last cone killed Cernd, but I really iddn't care for him that much anymore, so I just got the items and took Jaheira for the extra Fire Elemental.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 8:43 pm

When I fought the shadow dragon I didnt have breach or lower resistance so his "protection from magic weapons" spell made him almost unbeatable. I finally won when I polymorphed him into a squirrel by fluke and waited for his protections to wear off. For some reason he could still wing buffet too.

I cant fight firaag because even though the area shows on my map its sealed off.

Gomez · Post by **Gomez** » Sun Mar 25, 2001 10:01 pm

Is there a naming standard for dragons? They all seem to share veryy long and hard-to-pronounce names.
Like what does Thax'llsyllia means, or Nizzidraman'yiit.

Anyone speak Draconic here?

Pe Ell · Post by **Pe Ell** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 2:49 am

Thoughest dragon huh? I would like to rank them this way:
1: Nizidramanii'yt
2: Adalon
3: Firkraag
4: Thaxll'ssillyia
5: Green dragon

Using the Lower res, tons of magic missile/flame/acid arrows tactic makes it hard to say who is really the thoughest since they all seem to fall just as easy. But I put Nizzi on the top since he is hard to reach due to his Priest spells. adalon goes before firkraag because she goes invisible.

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Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:35 am

mine would be like this:
1: Adalon
2: Firkraag
3: Thaxll'ssillyia
4: Nizidramanii'yt
5: Green dragon

The last two dragons on my first time through the game I didn't realise came so I meet them with an unrested party. Both went down with one breach+ one pierce magic+ one finger of death. Of course one should take in to consideration that the party that faces the last two dragons are much stronger than the party that faced the first tree.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:37 am

Adalon is by far the toughest dragon in the game. Firkraag is without question tougher than the shadow dragon.

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TheDude · Post by **TheDude** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:46 am

i think that Frikraaq is the toughest.

my first time trough i didn't visit Frikraaq or teh shadow dragon
So my first dragon was Nizidramanii'yt in suldanesselar (damm how came up with these names

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And i had know problems with him:
3 lower resistants, finger of death and bye bye dragon

yesterday i went to Frikraaq and it was a really though fight.
i tried 3 times but couldn't devite him

i was so desperate i used the cloudkill move

and so the dragon died.

the shadow dragon and the green dragon weren't that of a problem:
lower resistants and finger of death/magic missile worked very fine.

or u could just beat the crap out of them with youre fighters and pets

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Zaha · Post by **Zaha** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:48 am

This is how I killed mr. Firkraag:

Jaheira - Casts Harm: Jaheira
Jaheira - Attacks Firkraag
Jaheira - 20+5=25: Hit
Jan - Casts Magic Missile: Firkraag
Firkraag - Magic Resistance
Jan did 3 damage to Firkraag
Firkraag - Death
Your party has gained experience: 64000

Combos like these work on strong individual enemies. If you have Anomen(or other strong cleric), he can use Holy Power + Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise to be able to Harm the dragon with less than a roll of 20.

Another way to kill the dragon, much cheaper but lots of fun, was to have 6 high level mages imported to a game save just before facing mr. Firkraag, then casting spell sequencer with all of them, filling it with magic missiles. Then I cast simulacrum with five of the mages(and got 11 mages there), and the sequencers got copied to the simulacrums. Some lower resistances to Firkraag, dropping his magic resistance to 0%. Then you just release all your sequencers simultaneously. A single magic missile deals on average 3.5 damage, so I could deal him 11*3.5*5*3=577,5 damage during a single turn. That's got to hurt.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 12:22 pm

Originally posted by Zaha:
This is how I killed mr. Firkraag:

Jaheira - Casts Harm: Jaheira
Jaheira - Attacks Firkraag
Jaheira - 20+5=25: Hit
Jan - Casts Magic Missile: Firkraag
Firkraag - Magic Resistance
Jan did 3 damage to Firkraag
Firkraag - Death
Your party has gained experience: 64000

Combos like these work on strong individual enemies. If you have Anomen(or other strong cleric), he can use Holy Power + Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise to be able to Harm the dragon with less than a roll of 20.

Another way to kill the dragon, much cheaper but lots of fun, was to have 6 high level mages imported to a game save just before facing mr. Firkraag, then casting spell sequencer with all of them, filling it with magic missiles. Then I cast simulacrum with five of the mages(and got 11 mages there), and the sequencers got copied to the simulacrums. Some lower resistances to Firkraag, dropping his magic resistance to 0%. Then you just release all your sequencers simultaneously. A single magic missile deals on average 3.5 damage, so I could deal him 11*3.5*5*3=577,5 damage during a single turn. That's got to hurt.

It seems you got very lucky. Harm checks for magic resistance also.

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frelic · Post by **frelic** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 1:15 pm

here's a different thought - would the Shadow Dragon be harder if his hitpoints, ac and damage per attack were equalled to Firkaag's? My thought is yes.

Firkaag tends to be a brute strength brawl - but his magic is reserved mostly for protecting himself. And fire as a breath weapon is overrated given the prevalence of fire protections in the game (I've got 2 rings by myself right now). But the Shadow Dragon tends to (if I remember correctly) cast offensive spells and the breath weapon (acid) is not readily defended against - and (correct me if I'm wrong) is like poison in that it "stays" with you.

Also, there was alot more room to maneuver around the Shadow Dragon, but not a larger room overall. I found myself walking a mile to get back in the fight with Firkaag, but not too far with the Shadow Dragon.

One last thought - if a dragon casts "blade barrier" - does that really happen - a 30+ foot diameter blade barrier?

Ro´Jadre · Post by **Ro´Jadre** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 1:23 pm

The Shadow Dragon level drains you a lot with his breath too, but it disappear by itself.

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Zaha · Post by **Zaha** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 2:24 pm

Bruce: I don't think it does. I've used Harm dozens of times on Firkraag, and usually he can't be hit, but I've never seen Harm prevented by magic resistance.

Nighthawk · Post by **Nighthawk** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:57 pm

My rankings:

1. Firkragg
2. Black (Nizi...)
3. Gold (often called Green)
4. Shadow (Thax...)
5. Adalon

This may partly be due to when you meet them in the game, though I usually do the Shadow dragon first. Since the Shadow Dragon's breath level drains you, any character with the Amulet of Power of Mace of Disruption is completely immune and he doesn't dispell Negative Plane protection. He's still tough physically, but not as tough as Firkragg.

Adalon at the bottom because I killed her on the first attempt without using any magic other than a single Remove Fear. She made the save vs quivering palm from my Monk, but Keldorn, Minsc, and the Monk simply beat her to death. I have done similar with Thax after protecting from his breath weapon, but don't think I could do that with the others.

Fire is easy to protect against, but I've seen characters with 100% resistance to fire go down quickly to Firkragg's breath weapon. The Dragon Helm and Shield do absolutely nothing to protect from him since they only do fire, not magical fire (go figure). If a character IS highly resistant to magical fire, he has a Lower Fire Resistance spell he may cast at them.

Nizi is up there primarily because of the annoying insect spell. As far as the Gold goes, considering I meet it late in the game with fully maxed out characters, it has given me a tough fight everytime I've gone after it.