The attack on Afghanistan has begun.
There are confirmed attacks on 3 cities in Afghanistan - including Khabul.
The US. has launched air attacks aided by british and australian.
Attack on Afghanistan
Attack on Afghanistan
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I'd have to get drunk every night and talk about virility...And those Pink elephants I'd see.
@Xandax: Thanks for the update.
Let's hope it will be a quick affair. The Afghani people have suffered much hardship, and it's a horrible terrain to be in for the coalition troops.
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Let's hope it will be a quick affair. The Afghani people have suffered much hardship, and it's a horrible terrain to be in for the coalition troops.
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The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations David Friedman
Thanks Xandax.
According to BBC, Tomahawk cruising robots are fired at Kabul, Kandahar and Jalalabad.
Just listening to Blair speaking.
According to BBC, Tomahawk cruising robots are fired at Kabul, Kandahar and Jalalabad.
Just listening to Blair speaking.
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It will be much more than a few bombs.Originally posted by Lazarus:
<STRONG>A pointless gesture as it stands. A few bombs is a weak statement on the part of the US.</STRONG>
Also the Northen Alliance in Afghanistan will properly also intensify their offensive towards the Taleban now.
The most important question right now is what will happen in the surronding countires and the middel east.
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You ever get the feeling that you will get hit with something with your name on it????
I got a phone call, really early this morning. Saying pack your bags, you are going on a nice vaction over seas. You will like it over there, the scenery is nice, but you will have to keep your head down.
It is always nice to know, everyone is worried about the civilians in Afghanistan. But, it seems some already forgotten almost 6000 people where killed in NewYork. Alot of them were from different countries, and they were civilians.
So you all enjoy, your nice homes and eat any kinds of food and sleep on nice warm beds at night. Because there are people in Afghanstan, who don't have such privleges. Now, I get to go and see how these people live.
Like I asked, you ever get the feeling that there something that will hit you with your name on it?? I also have the feeling that I'm not coming back, but in a bag.
You all have a nice life, and think of the stupid ones like me. Who have to do a job and rid this world of terrorists.
Thanks Buck for putting up with me, keep the board a rolling.
I got a phone call, really early this morning. Saying pack your bags, you are going on a nice vaction over seas. You will like it over there, the scenery is nice, but you will have to keep your head down.
It is always nice to know, everyone is worried about the civilians in Afghanistan. But, it seems some already forgotten almost 6000 people where killed in NewYork. Alot of them were from different countries, and they were civilians.
So you all enjoy, your nice homes and eat any kinds of food and sleep on nice warm beds at night. Because there are people in Afghanstan, who don't have such privleges. Now, I get to go and see how these people live.
Like I asked, you ever get the feeling that there something that will hit you with your name on it?? I also have the feeling that I'm not coming back, but in a bag.
You all have a nice life, and think of the stupid ones like me. Who have to do a job and rid this world of terrorists.
Thanks Buck for putting up with me, keep the board a rolling.
Hey, that reminds me: as much as I have tried, I have not yet been able to find any concrete information about WHO this Northern Alliance is, and whether, if they become the new government of Afghanistan, they will be any better than the Taliban - ? Well, it seems impossible that they would be as bad as them - but does anybody know what they are preaching? Is it just going to be another hardline Islamic government? Let me know. Any links anyone has, too.Originally posted by Xandax:
<STRONG>It will be much more than a few bombs.
Also the Northen Alliance in Afghanistan will properly also intensify their offensive towards the Taleban now...</STRONG>
Just to make something clear: we are not attacking Afghanistan. We were the ones attacked. While Afghanistan as a nation did not attack us, it is harboring those who did and therefore condoning, aiding, and abetting the attack. In this country, when A commits a crime, and B helps him out, both A and B are held responsible for the crime and both are subject to justice. When we put a criminal and his abettors in prison, are we "attacking" him????
Everyone is concerned about civilian casualties. There are ALWAYS going to be civilian casualties in any kind of warfare, no matter what method of warfare or what period in history. That is simply one of the eternal and unfortunate facts of warfare. But should we refrain from defensing ourselves because of that risk -- should we simply sit back and allow an attack against our home to slide? Should we do nothing? I would ask everyone to consider the difference here. Whatever civilian casualties occur at the hands of American/British. et al troops, will be UNINTENTIONAL. We do not go into a place and intentionally seek out civilian centers to destroy, to ensure as high a civilian body count as possible. That is what the terrorists did, who are being sheltered by the Taliban. They purposefully sought out a way to inflict as much civilian death as possible; They gave no warning, so that they would not have to face the defense we would make; and then, like the pack of despicable cowards they are, they committed suicide so they would not have to face the just consequences of their actions. Their idol bin Laden hides in caves. A coward leading cowards. They imitate him well.
This action, on the other hand, does not purposely target defenseless civilians. Any civilian casualties will be incidental and accidental. In fact the "allies" (I hesitate to call them that at this point; perhaps "coalition" would be a better term) are going to airlift food and supplies to Afghan civilians, as soon as it can be determined that the Taliban air forces will not pose a threat to the humanitarian airlifts. And the very people those airlifts are going to help are now burning our flag in thier streets. But we help them anyway.
I would ask everyone to remember who started this, and who is in the wrong here.
I'm not afraid to say it: bin Laden is a monster and the Taliban is an instrument of evil on the face of the earth. I'm GLAD we're wiping them out.
Now if the moderators want to ban me, fine. I've had just about enough weeping and crying over the big bad USA "attacking" a pack of murderers.
Everyone is concerned about civilian casualties. There are ALWAYS going to be civilian casualties in any kind of warfare, no matter what method of warfare or what period in history. That is simply one of the eternal and unfortunate facts of warfare. But should we refrain from defensing ourselves because of that risk -- should we simply sit back and allow an attack against our home to slide? Should we do nothing? I would ask everyone to consider the difference here. Whatever civilian casualties occur at the hands of American/British. et al troops, will be UNINTENTIONAL. We do not go into a place and intentionally seek out civilian centers to destroy, to ensure as high a civilian body count as possible. That is what the terrorists did, who are being sheltered by the Taliban. They purposefully sought out a way to inflict as much civilian death as possible; They gave no warning, so that they would not have to face the defense we would make; and then, like the pack of despicable cowards they are, they committed suicide so they would not have to face the just consequences of their actions. Their idol bin Laden hides in caves. A coward leading cowards. They imitate him well.
This action, on the other hand, does not purposely target defenseless civilians. Any civilian casualties will be incidental and accidental. In fact the "allies" (I hesitate to call them that at this point; perhaps "coalition" would be a better term) are going to airlift food and supplies to Afghan civilians, as soon as it can be determined that the Taliban air forces will not pose a threat to the humanitarian airlifts. And the very people those airlifts are going to help are now burning our flag in thier streets. But we help them anyway.
I would ask everyone to remember who started this, and who is in the wrong here.
I'm not afraid to say it: bin Laden is a monster and the Taliban is an instrument of evil on the face of the earth. I'm GLAD we're wiping them out.
Now if the moderators want to ban me, fine. I've had just about enough weeping and crying over the big bad USA "attacking" a pack of murderers.
Well, good luck. You sound a little bitter, so I don't know if you will take this in the spirit it is intended, but I greatly admire and appreciate the armed forces of all free nations. I look forward to your return and your continued presence on the board.Originally posted by Darkpoet:
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...I got a phone call, really early this morning. Saying pack your bags, you are going on a nice vaction over seas. You will like it over there, the scenery is nice, but you will have to keep your head down.
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DP, are you going to Afghanistan? When?
Every death of an innocent civilian is equally horrid and and equal waste and tragedy. Be it in NYC, in Kabul or elsewhere
DP, take care. Come home at your feet My thoughts go to you, your family and all the other people who are personally involved in this war.
When? Every death of an innocent civilian is equally horrid and and equal waste and tragedy. Be it in NYC, in Kabul or elsewhere
DP, take care. Come home at your feet
My thoughts go to you, your family and all the other people who are personally involved in this war."There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance." - Hippocrates
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@DP: You're going to Afghanistan? Be careful, make sure you get the ¤%#@!(=OBL), and come home safely. I haven't posted much here yet, but I will definitely miss reading your posts while you're away. My thoughts will be with you, even though I don't know you. Be skillful, with that comes all the luck you need.
@All: The US/coalition statements being made are very clear. The attacks are on the terrorists and the Taliban (which they should be) and not on Afghanistan. They are also flying in immense amounts of food and other supplies for the Afghanistan people. IMO GWB has really risen to the occasion, and I think that he is handling this situation very well.
@All: The US/coalition statements being made are very clear. The attacks are on the terrorists and the Taliban (which they should be) and not on Afghanistan. They are also flying in immense amounts of food and other supplies for the Afghanistan people. IMO GWB has really risen to the occasion, and I think that he is handling this situation very well.
The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations David Friedman
There is no infrastructure in Afghanistan to bomb.
Us tax money is going down the drain.
You can't bomb afghanistan as everything there is already destroyed.
Us tax money is going down the drain.
You can't bomb afghanistan as everything there is already destroyed.
For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? - Khalil Gibran
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
In part, I would agree. But it is already known that the main radar station in Kandahar has been destroyed. I would say that was worth a bomb or two.Originally posted by Fas:
<STRONG>There is no infrastructure in Afghanistan to bomb.
Us tax money is going down the drain.
You can't bomb afghanistan as everything there is already destroyed.</STRONG>
Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>Every death of an innocent civilian is equally horrid and and equal waste and tragedy. Be it in NYC, in Kabul or elsewhere
I never said otherwise. I said that the risk of civilian casualties is no reason for us not to take action. I also asked that people remember who the real civilian-slayers are here; and that civilian-slaying is not the goal for the coalition militaries.
I think that the risk of civilian casualty is an acceptable one to take, in order to wipe out the Taliban. Want to know how evil they really are? Go
[url="http://member.compuserve.com/women/default.jsp?floc=MainMenu-Sun_am-slot2_link"]here[/url].
Prevented from leaving the house under pain of death. Banned books. Banned education. Public torture and executions. Buried alive. Painting you windows black for crying out loud!! Rape, torture, and death for those women who dare resist the oppression, even if by mistake (for example, a gust of wind blows your burqua the wrong way. You die anyhow, even though it wasn't your fault).
Does this sound like a Fourthh Reich to anyone else???........
This is not "cultural". It is the manifestation of evil. If it was cultural the courageous women of RAWA would not be risking death every moment in order to collect evidence of the Taliban's atrocities, and to educate girls and young women. Would they risk being raped, tortured, mutilated, and buried alive if this was their "culture"? Hardly.
I say let's go. I pray for the safety of the Afghan people, but I also pray for their liberation, which can only come with the destruction of the Taliban which oppresses them. i pray for the safety of all men and women of the coalition militaries, especially for Darkpoet who is my friend.
But I also pray that this army of evil is wiped off the face of the earth forever. Knowing the support for human and civil rights in this country, and in all countries of the free world in general -- also considering the little war we fought against that Adolph dude back in the '40's -- I really marvel that more people aren't of the same opinion.
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Ok how much does a tomaHawk missile cost?
And could the radar station actually pick up the us planes?
I doubt it worked.
Also according to BBC electricity and water management plants were targetted.
Could anybody verify this?
And could the radar station actually pick up the us planes?
I doubt it worked.
Also according to BBC electricity and water management plants were targetted.
Could anybody verify this?
For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? - Khalil Gibran
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill