Afghanastan feels our pain....

White Rabbit · Post by **White Rabbit** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:19 am

First read [url="http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/11/afghan.taliban/index.html"]this[/url].

Anybody else furious that the Afghanastan government would HARBOR AND PROTECT Bin Laden and then when he kills thousands of our people to claim that they feel our pain? Anybody on this board from Afghanastan?

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:27 am

We feel your pain, yeah right!

There were people dancing on the streets, celebrating there "victory".
Yes, I'm furioes! How can a human celebrate any form of terrorism?
I don't consider them human beiings anymore.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:34 am

Originally posted by White Rabbit:
First read [url="http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/11/afghan.taliban/index.html"]this[/url].

Anybody else furious that the Afghanastan government would HARBOR AND PROTECT Bin Laden and then when he kills thousands of our people to claim that they feel our pain? Anybody on this board from Afghanastan?

The Taliban may quite literally "feel our pain" if it is determined that bin Laden was indeed behind these attacks.

White Rabbit · Post by **White Rabbit** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:47 am

We can only hope that they do, and soon.

Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 1:04 am

Yesterday I saw a car with immigrants. They were driving around with a big flag on the back of the car and shouting and cheering over the tragedy that had come over the states.....Unfortunately I didn't have my car with me so I could run those (just read bucks post so I should properly edit what was here

) off the road

I am no racist but nor am I tolerant....this doesn't help them one bit and just imagine all the organisations (nazis, racists, nationalists....etc) what they will do as a revenge. Perhaps (not sure at all) the government will solve this without violence but for sure there will be others that wont.

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Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 1:13 am

sorry a little mistake

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Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:13 am

one word.....bullsh*t

Garcia · Post by **Garcia** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:18 am

Originally posted by Bloodstalker:
one word.....bullsh*t

Care to explain yourself a bit better.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:01 am

Originally posted by White Rabbit:
Anybody on this board from Afghanastan?

People from Afghanistan aren't very likely to have internet access or play computer games.

Afghanistans are the worlds largest group of refugees in the world, about 2 million people. Don't think the Talibans have the support of the Afghan people - it's a fundamentalist dictatorship. The people of Afghanistan is living under a totalitarian terror.

I know people who are hiding Afghanistan refugees who have applied for asylum where I live. Is it something special you'd like to know from an Afghanistanian, I could try to forward your message.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:13 am

Originally posted by Rob-hin:
There were people dancing on the streets, celebrating there "victory".
Yes, I'm furioes! How can a human celebrate any form of terrorism?
I don't consider them human beiings anymore.

You don't consider them human being any longer, since they celebrate the death of thousands of innocents. But don't you realise it's exactly this feeling that make some (how many? 500? 1000? 5000?) people celebrate the death of American citizens?

The US acting in the Middle east involvement in the Israel/Palestine conflict, has renders US some enemies. The Gulf war killed some innocent people, and the US called it "colateral damage". The US sent missiled to presumed bin Laden training camps in Sudan and Afghanistan, but it's still not comfirmed those factories were something else than factories, and many innocents were killed. The owner of the Sudan factory sued the US for finacial compensation, and won.

I don't support and I don't think there's any excuse for celebrating the deaths of innocent citizens of any nationality or ethnicity But I'd like to point out that the minory of people in the Arab world who are celebrating this attack on the US, have the same feelings as you have now - namely that US people are evil and inhuman since they have supported terrorist attacks (in Israel) and death of civilians in the Middle east.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:36 am

Originally posted by C Elegans:
But I'd like to point out that the minory of people in the Arab world who are celebrating this attack on the US, have the same feelings as you have now - namely that US people are evil and inhuman since they have supported terrorist attacks (in Israel) and death of civilians in the Middle east.

That's quite a blanket statement you're making there.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:40 am

Well said C Elegans. The hatred possessed by some in the Middle East towards the united states and its citizes is almost inconceivable. However, if you return the hate, you are giving them exactly what they want. Don't get me wrong. I am all for the United States taking whatever action it can, hopefully with the guidance and support of NATO.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:57 am

Originally posted by Sojourner:
That's quite a blanket statement you're making there.

What is "blanket" in this context? Please don't be mad, I'm merely trying to explain what's behind the perhaps to us, incomprehensible joy over death of others, and the danger of getting absorbed by similar hate oneself.

@Ned: Thanks

I hope and I also believe, that the US will not return blind hate but instead doing all they can to minimise "co-lateral damage" while hunting down the responsible organisation.

Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:20 am

I'd like to make some comments about colaterial damage and acts of war verses actual damage and acts of terrorism but feel my anger rising like bile to sting my throat.

I'll keep my comments to myself, for now.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:31 am

Originally posted by Anatres:
I'd like to make some comments about colaterial damage and acts of war verses actual damage and acts of terrorism but feel my anger rising like bile to sting my throat.

Very wise of you, Anatres. My personal opinion is that there is a vast difference between war acts and terrorist acts. I'm not saying that the US mistake of sending missiles to a factory in Sudan is the same thing as terrorism - the US did really think Bin Laden was there. But - I'm still trying to explain how some Arab people view the events, since there seem to be no people on the board from the Arab countries.

Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:38 am

Originally posted by Sojourner:
That's quite a blanket statement you're making there.

Why don't you just settle down. No need to get to jump all over people.

You also have to look a this. Not all of Afghanastan, supports terrorists. So carpet bombing the county, will not solve anything.

T'lainya · Post by **T'lainya** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:59 am

SETTLE DOWN
Ok Again..please keep it respectful.
This is a sensitive issue and peoples emotions are volatile.
Again this isn't directed specifically at anyone or any viewpoint..just a warning to everyone that things can get out of hand very easily.

justAidan · Post by **justAidan** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:44 am

Originally posted by T'lainya:
SETTLE DOWN
Ok Again..please keep it respectful.
This is a sensitive issue and peoples emotions are volatile.
Again this isn't directed specifically at anyone or any viewpoint..just a warning to everyone that things can get out of hand very easily.

Nice to see some are keeping their cool.

Just to say somethings its a minority group that is dancing in the streets, they are just making the press more easily. To my knowledge.

If any country claims responsibility then its up for thar country.But no country will becusae of this. I hope that Bush doesn't do anything rash, that would be very bad.

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Delos · Post by **Delos** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:23 pm

Collateral Damage

I see the expression 'collateral damage' rearing its ugly head in this thread. If ever there was an expression that should be expunged from the English language its 'collateral damage'.

Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:29 pm

Originally posted by Delos:
Collateral Damage

I see the expression 'collateral damage' rearing its ugly head in this thread. If ever there was an expression that should be expunged from the English language its 'collateral damage'.

I agree, it should be changed to "they were too close"