A war between the US and her allies vs. the Arab nations?

Oji · Post by **Oji** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:12 pm

Its gonna be big. Considering that the palestines are really after Israel, And the entire Arab nations itching to get back at Israel for kicking their collective asses in the 6-day war of 67. It would't be suprising that the US and her allies would be going up against an arab alliance. Saddam tried to ally the arab nations once by trying to force Israel to retaliate against the Scud missile attacks. But considering what these Arabs are up against, the US, UK, China(if settled with their disputes with the US)not to mention Israel(which according to the bible, can never be defeated at war, which suprisingly is true) to name a few, it may seem a one sided battle. then again we dont know truly the capabilities of the entire arab nations, at a time when one well placed nuclear bomb could spell the difference between victory and defeat and the fate of millions of lives. Well the possibility of world war 3 is itself mind-numbing.

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nael · Post by **nael** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:00 am

well...for starters, there is NO alliance between us and china...that just won't happen.
the united arab emirates, saudi arabia, egypt, and kuwait would never dream of going against us.
if we do end up going against an arab country, only iran or iraq one will ally, nto both, since they hate eachother.
palestine doesn't have an actual army, jordan also has a good history with the US.
it won't be an issue.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:11 am

I've read a lot of posts on other forums cheering the attacks. I fear WWIII is here.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:18 am

@Sojourner

I fear your right. Our goverment (Australian) has already pledged it's forces to back the U.S in whatever they do. And considering that our Prime Minister was staying opposite the Pentagon a few days earlier. And also that we share close ties with America and have many relations who have been affected directly by the incident. Australians will eagerly help their northern comrades.

A coalition has been assembled, only time will tell what becomes of it's chosen target.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:53 am

Let us pray that cooler heads prevail.

Don't let this tragedy spark a war between the US against Arab world, but rather, let this be a war between the World against Terrorism

Maharlika · Post by **Maharlika** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 3:01 am

I beg to disagree. Not all of the Arab countries would unite against America. The Gulf War is a living proof of this. Didn't the US spearhead the liberation of Kuwait from Iraq? Other Arab nations like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Egypt are likely not going to war against Israel AND the US. Sure, some of them might really relish the idea to have Israel (or at least a significant part of her) back to Palestinian hands, but I don't think they'll support it without getting the ire of the US (and probably other NATO members).

Besides, this is not a war (as the US has already declared itself at war) with any particular nation. Rather, the enemy is terrorism regardless of the nationality of the perpetrators. However, it would come to getting at war with particular country IF there is significant evidence against the suspects AND the country where these suspects seek solace refuse to have them extradited and have them answer via due process of (international?) law.

First and foremost, though OB Laden is THE TOP suspect, there could well be other suspects as well. Therefore to insinuate then conclude that the Palestinians or muslim extremists are the ones responsible is highly premature. It just so happen that there are a significant number of these Palestinians cheering and rejoicing over the US' misfortune.

God... even until now I can't fully understand how "God is Great!" when you kill innocent people who were doing nothing against you but just doing their regular things and earning a living. If that is the kind of god that they have... well... the Lord of Murder is surely happy about that.

Whoever did this is not only answerable to the US. There were also a significant number of foreigners killed there. I'm sure their mother countries are not too happy about it too.

This is not a matter of crime against the US.

It's a crime against humanity.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 5:35 am

Posted by Maharlika -

Whoever did this is not only answerable to the US. There were also a significant number of foreigners killed there. I'm sure their mother countries are not too happy about it too.

This is not a matter of crime against the US.

It's a crime against humanity.

It is currently esimated that there were 500 Brits in the WTC. 100 I think are now confirmed dead.

This is more than an attack on the US, I so hope the world leaders handle the issue sensibly and openly.

The prospect of a third world war terrifies me, but I don't believe this will happen. A war against terrorism, yes, but the Arab nations are denouncing what has happened and not one Arab nation official has condoned it.

The terrorists would need open support from a number of Arab nations before any one of them would risk getting involved in an all out war in the name anothers' cause...

The middle eastern countries are so fragmented I find it hard to believe that they would form an alliance against the western world...

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dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:20 am

Originally posted by Fedaykin:
Let us pray that cooler heads prevail.

Don't let this tragedy spark a war between the US against Arab world, but rather, let this be a war between the World against Terrorism

Yes.

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:34 am

I read at [url="http://www.msn.com"]www.msn.com[/url] that President Bush contacted two nations in the Middle East, one of which is Iran. Both nations declared their support for the US in this. If a war does occur, it will not be totally World vs. Arabs. The war is the World vs. Terrorism.

Stoner Cold · Post by **Stoner Cold** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:02 pm

someone might have said this before, but anyhoo: there wont be any wars against any other countries unless they sponsored the terrorists. what would the reason be? ok, so they dont like us and we dont like them. i dont like the kid who lives down the road, but that dont mean i go out and nuke him. they didnt do anything, and we cant just go about starting wars with everyone.

oh, and why is the US a 'she'? i always think of countries as 'its' more than 'shes' or even 'hes'. hmm

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Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:18 pm

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Stoner Cold · Post by **Stoner Cold** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:22 pm

ok, sorry. i was just trying to lighten up everyone. if everyone walked around talking about wars and fighting, this wouldnt be a very nice place to live in.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:28 pm

Originally posted by Stoner Cold:
ok, sorry. i was just trying to lighten up everyone. if everyone walked around talking about wars and fighting, this wouldnt be a very nice place to live in.

I realise what you were trying, i appreciate your reasons. We are currently having somewhat of a break from it all in the Breathing space thread

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:28 pm

@Stoner - I don't know what you posted, but if you need lightening and a little distraction please join us in breathing space...

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:31 pm

Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
I read at [url="http://www.msn.com"]www.msn.com[/url] that President Bush contacted two nations in the Middle East, one of which is Iran. Both nations declared their support for the US in this. If a war does occur, it will not be totally World vs. Arabs. The war is the World vs. Terrorism.

I agree, SS. Colin Powell also said that he'd been in contact with Pakistan and that the US considers Pakistan a friend. Of all the Arabic states, Iraq is the only one that hasn't condemned the terror attack (no big surprise).

Speculation: Let's say Bin Laden is responsible and the US demand that the Taliban's extradite him. The Taliban's do not wish a war against the US. Pakistan have supported the Taliban's and China has supported Pakistan, but neither China nor Pakistan will support Bin Laden. Thus, the Taliban's will have to chose between facing a war with the US and NATO, and extradicting Bin Laden. And even if it's possible that Bin Laden supports the Taliban's, I still think they will not protect him rather than protecting their country against war.

As for other Arab states: so far, the suspects have many different nationalities. It seems likely that the operation has been carried out by a network of several people involved in several organisations. But will Saudi, Egypt, Alger or the Emirates protect the terrorists just because they have passports from those countries or originates from those countries? No. Instead, I think the terrorists are facing a situation where they will have nowhere to hide in the end.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:41 pm

@C E - the Taliban have stated that if there is enough evidence they will push Bin Laden forward.

I believe, from what I have read, that he is currently under house arrest - I do not know for sure, though, or by whom...

CM · Post by CM » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:54 pm

He is under house arrest by the Taliban.
And the Taliban have said they would hand him over to Saudi by Feb 20 but there are some conditions.
I don't know what.
BBC, many pakistani newspapers and RAIN from South Africa have covered this.
I am a poli sci student so i can get various articles if anybody wants it.

Also there were around 200 Pakistanis in the buildings and guessing roughly around 1000 muslims.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Yshania:
@C E - the Taliban have stated that if there is enough evidence they will push Bin Laden forward.

I believe, from what I have read, that he is currently under house arrest - I do not know for sure, though, or by whom...

Yes, I also heard the their statement - I think the Taliban's wants to aviod an attack at all costs. They have pleaded to the US not to attack Afghanistan.

I wonder how much this house arrest means...there were unconfirmed rumours they had cut off his communications with the outer world.

Stoner Cold · Post by **Stoner Cold** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:56 pm

i would join you in breathing space, but, its like 10 pages long!

i dont wanna read all of that! thatd be like trying to keep a banana whole inside a blender!

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:59 pm

Originally posted by Fas:
He is under house arrest by the Taliban.
And the Taliban have said they would hand him over to Saudi by Feb 20 but there are some conditions.
I don't know what.
BBC, many pakistani newspapers and RAIN from South Africa have covered this.
I am a poli sci student so i can get various articles if anybody wants it.

Also there were around 200 Pakistanis in the buildings and guessing roughly around 1000 muslims.

Interesting, thanks for the info, Fas

If you have any good links, please post them

Do you dare to speculate about the future yourself?

@Stoner Cold: You don't need to read all the 10 pages to join the Breathing thread - just jump in