Romance with Haer Dalis

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sat Sep 22, 2001 11:53 pm

Mornin' to you all,

First, let me introduce myself: I'm Yorleen, a 21 (neutral good) thief girl.

I have a question for you: I know various romances are possible for your character when you are a guy, but what if you are a girl ? I want to have a romance with Haer Dalis, is that possible ?

Well, thank you in advance and may Tymora be with you.

Yorleen

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:16 am

Welcome, Yorleen!

It's not possible to have a romance with Haer'Dalis. You can check this out in the NPC section on Gamebanshee: [url="http://gamebanshee.com/baldursgateii/npcs.php"]http://gamebanshee.com/baldursgateii/npcs.php[/url]

TC, Geert

Quitch · Post by **Quitch** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:56 am

Only Anomen is a possible romance, and only if you make certain dialogue options when you first meet him.

However, some players are working with Dave G (one of the lead designers of BG2) to create some additional romances (all for women). IIRC, these were people from The Attic?

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:46 am

Many thanx guys, for your answers. To be frank I feel pretty disgusted because it really sounds like BG programmers only thought about male players... Just look:

1. Anomen is not really what I call handsome...

2. He's a paladin so he is LOYAL good and I'm a leader in the Shadow thieves guild (sorry, I'm not sure about the English name)... No comment !

3. I'm an elf and I'd prefer to be with another elf !

4. I really like Haer Dalis !! *lol*

Well, anyway, I hope the programmers will do something for us, girl players, as you said they would. That would be really cool because I know loads of girls are playing BG and most of the time, nobody is giving a sh** about us.

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:26 am

Welcome Yorleen! A few comments:

1) I've asked two of my female friends to pick out the most handsome man from the male portraits. Both actally choose Anomen. But of course there can no right or wrong in this matter.

2) Are you only attracted to people who are like you? I certainly ain't. On the contrary, I often look for opposites.

3) Haer'Dalis is no elf either, though he sure looks like one (he's a tiefling). It's to bad you don't play a male PC, since those *only* got elves (50 or 100 %) to romance.

4) Yepp, he's pretty cool. Unfortunately, I use his portrait all the time, so he seldom gets to play in my party.

Dastal · Post by **Dastal** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:25 am

I believe that it is possible to have a romance with Valygar, technically, but doing so means you lose Anomen. I also think it is bugged.

Quitch · Post by **Quitch** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:41 am

To be frank I feel pretty disgusted because it really sounds like BG programmers only thought about male players... Just look:

Excuse me, but may I point out that women represent only 10% of the gaming audience, but you managed to get 25% of the romances. There is a limited amount of time for development you know, and frankly considering the amount of the audience women make up, it's the other way around. Bioware really care about the female audience.

Lets not bash Bioware for no reason now shall we.

Isis · Post by **Isis** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:48 am

2.He's a paladin so he is LOYAL good

Well if you let Anomen take revenge for his sisters death he becomes Chaotic (good? neutral) i'm not too sure. But then, on the down side, if you let him take revenge he won't become "Sir" Anomen (he won't be admitted in the Order)and his wisdom won't go up to 16.

4. I really like Haer Dalis !! *lol*

Me too!

And I like Yoshimo... not really because of his looks but more because he's a theif and I think theives are hot... lol

Well, anyway, I hope the programmers will do something for us, girl players, as you said they would. That would be really cool because I know loads of girls are playing BG

I *totally* agree with you! I hope they do something about that too.

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:57 am

Originally posted by Astafas:
<STRONG>1) I've asked two of my female friends to pick out the most handsome man from the male portraits. Both actally choose Anomen. But of course there can no right or wrong in this matter.</STRONG>

Ah well, we just have very different tastes.

To me Anomen looks too strong physically, dunno how to explain that in English.

And yeah, I know Haer Dalis is half elf/half demon and that's probably part of what makes him a little mysterious... and he is even more attractive with that !

When you think about it, the main character is quite alike to him as Bhaal's blood runs into her/his veins... As you said, I really do prefer people who are like me, not at all the opposites because I don't think that will last long... But human beings are cool too though, even if I generally prefer elves. In BG1, the handsomest guy in my opinion was Kivan but the French voice they gave him made him sound very hypocritical and unpleasant.

French version is still a big problem by the way: some voices are really bad (Nalia's for exemple) and totally ruin the characters. Actually, there are only a really few people doing all the voices in the game so you see loads of people with the same voice.
But, BG2 biggest problem in the French version is the male/female problem: for example, when characters speak to somebody (no matter if it's a he or a she), they first gonna consider him/her as a girl and then as a guy. It keeps changing all the time, whatever what the character really is ! It's very annoying. By the way, I used the first American patch because I thought it would help by having the original version on but it didn't...

Any suggestion ? I suppose new patches are available now ?

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:04 am

Hey Isis ! Glad to meet another girl addicted to BG.

Hmm, maybe we are only 10% of the RPG buyers but well, 10% is important, isn't it !! I think that deserve just a little more attention.

Yeah, thieves are great, aren't they ?

I only recently took the head of the ex-Maevar guild so I'm not really familiar with it yet but I generally learn quickly...

Isis · Post by **Isis** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:19 am

Je pense que la raison qu'il n'y a que 10% de filles qui jouent c'est parce que ils ne nous accordent pas assez d'importance. Ils auraient pu faire un effort au moin d'attirer une audience féminine... (Je suis bilingue... par contre j'ai la version anglaise de BG alors je ne peut pas t'aider)Anyways... i'm very glad to meet other girl players, this exact subject was bothering me for a while too, nice to know i'm not the only one...

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 8:34 am

Hi, Yorleen, welcome.

So you're playing the euro version or is there a french version?

Hmmm.. your anglish is quite excellent, (deliberate spelling of anglish, my cultural joke....) and may I point out the advantages of getting the english version of bg 2????

First, I believe there are some reported problems with the euro patch for soa/tob, aand quite frankly, like a lot of people who are in this forum prefer kevin d's patch over the standard bioware patches, and I don't believe his patch will work for the euro version.

from a app point of view, soa +tob is 5 stinking cd roms, and its bigger than most Operating systems. if you're in computers at all, you know that the bigger an app the more patching you have to do, and pre and post install tweeking and grooming is all important. for heaven's sake, solaris 7 is only 3 cd roms! Including Oracle!!!

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:29 am

Aww, thanx about my English. *blushes*

Well, it's a French version I've got with French voices and French texts... *sigh* Some voices were improved in BG2, Imoen's for example which was soooo ridiculous in BG1 that she sounded stupid, but nevertheless, as I said, most of the voice are really no good...

By the way, sometimes whereas the characters are supposed to say exactly what is written, it appears to be quite different. For exemple, in the written speech, "my" Haer Dalis (*lol*) calls himself an arrow (une fleche) whereas he calls himself a sparrow (un moineau) in the voiced speech. I supposed "sparrow" is the right one as he calls me "my crow" (mon corbeau), so it's all about bird names...

I bet the translators just forgot the "sp" letters in the written thing !

Anyway, yeah, I definitely think I should buy the English version... That would be really simpler !

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:38 am

I played the French version of Planescape Torment when living in France. Although not as bad as the French version of BG2 seems to be, it certainly wasn't great either. Quite a few text lines weren't even translated to French. I sincerely recommend the English version.

@Isis:
Where you from? I lived one year in Rémigny, a *very* small village close to Royn-Noranda in the east of Québec.

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:51 am

That's just unbelievable they can't manage to find good translators !

There are loads of students doing English studies at uni in France so...

Wanna hear something funny ? Actually, when I wrote my first message, I had only seen Anomen face from the small book which is given with the BG2 and actually, this picture is quite different from what he really looks like (I've just had him join the group) and finally, I have to say he is not that bad !

But I don't like the beard though... nor his way of talking to me. I still prefer Dals' enigmatic speech !

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:04 am

Originally posted by Yorleen:
<STRONG>
But I don't like the beard though....</STRONG>

You don't? And I got one just like it myself... Damn!

Anyway, give Anomen a chance. He's one of the very best NPCs IMO, but it took me a while to figure it out.

Quitch · Post by **Quitch** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:14 pm

quite frankly, like a lot of people who are in this forum prefer kevin d's patch over the standard bioware patches,

Over? I think you mean alongside

Anomen is an arrogant git, with Haer'Dalis being even more of an arrogant git. Valygar mumbles and Keldorn is ancient. Jan is a gnome who would smoother you in his family. Cernd is the most boring guy on the planet and Edwin would never be able to say a positive word. Then there's Korgan who would sell you for a profit most likely. The nicest guy there is Minsc, and you could never get him away from his hamster. You women have my sympathy

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UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:03 pm

absolutely along side, buddy.

kevin's patch is almost a perfect example of a good patching job, as good or better than the marvelous sp3 pack for win nt 4.

that paarticular patch almost made me think ickeysoft was ok!

Now, yorleen makes me wonder if anoweenie is as smug a git in the french version as he is in the english version. If you plan to get the english version, yorleen, let us know! You could become the cultural expert in this forum!

I have to agree with quitch, not many female developers worked on bg 2, or at least in the npc peersonality or scripting. all the male chars except korgy and jan are too annoying. Oh yeah, and edwin is great, but has no place in my uber magic party. I do like the girls better, possibly because I am male? But over all, there is a certain sense of 3 dimentialitity about the females as opposed to the males.

I also may admit haeer dalis gets on my nerves becasue he tries to steal my girl...

any way, as an interested side comment, how do the females feel about jaheira, aerie and viccy?

Isis and yorleen, how do you feel about them? Like, dislike, or just plain annoying?

I'm wondering if the distaff side of the forum finds aerie as annoying as much of the board does...I of course don't, check my signature.

oh yeah, Yorleen, does aerie say that in the french version?

Yorleen · Post by **Yorleen** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:15 pm

Mornin' guys !

Me, a cultural expert ? *lol* Hmm, why not !

Sure, I'll let you know the differences once I'll get the English version.

What do I think of Aerie ? Well, I'm afraid I'm not really able to judge her as she was only in my group for a really short time. Then, I asked her to wait for us at the Copper Crown (is that the name ? I mean that inn in the poor district) and we took Nalia with us... which eventually left because she couldn't wait anylonger for us to come and help her free her kingdom...
Hmm, just a little thing anyway: she is a LOYAL good character... OK, I prefer to have other good characters by my side as I'm a neutral good but... not LOYAL good because as you know, I'm a thief and they are just so obsessed by laws and so.
Anyway, actually, I have to say I basically planned to take her in my group again... Only I heard that if I'd do so, Haer Dalis gonna chat her up so, no way !!! ;p Sorry Aerie, the boy's mine ! *lol*
Oh yeah, by the way, she says the same motto in French: "Plus rapide que Chiktika Leste-pattes".

As for Jaheira, despite she is pretty moody, she is very useful thanx to her magic and I like to have her into my team... Well, the problem is I have to stay under 19 points of reputation otherwise she and Dals will complain all the time... The problem with having neutral characters... I've 15 reputation points for the moment by the way.

As for Viconia, I reckon she's probably the gorgeousest girl in BG2 so I understand guys are attracted by her... Only I wouldn't take her in my team as she's bad...

Anyway, I think if I had to choose a male character, I'd like him to be with Imoen at the end ! ;p Dunno if that's possible... Well, I'm only in chapter 2 so please, no spoiler...

Shadowwarrior · Post by **Shadowwarrior** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:18 pm

Hmmm I can promise you you don´t want Imoen.

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