How the h*** do you do it??

ernme4vr · Post by **ernme4vr** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 8:16 pm

Being a true RPG/AD&D nut, I cannot do it! Try and try as I may, I cannot play an evil character.

Can anyone give me tips on what to pick as an evil class, and how I should play it?

- King of Hearts

Krimmy · Post by **Krimmy** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 2:20 am

Well Thieves I think are generally thought of as evil since they steal other people's property.

As for how to play evil, I can't do it either, I'm always lawful good, I can't help it.

As for advise on how to be evil you might try picking dialogues opposite of how you normally select.

Think insulting, quick tempered and kill some peasents for the hell of it.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 5:22 am

I can be chaotic but not evil. Therefore I play chaotic good or chaotic neautral.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:00 am

it just comes natural

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:44 am

I understand you...
I just HAVE to play good!
Older games just forced you to play good, in BG you know
that you could do otherwise, thus playing intentionally good is more satisfying and makes you feel more like an hero!
I can't play evil even if it's only a game!!
And I start thinking that maybe you have to be a little evil
to do it!!!!

)))
At least I could accept some evil members and
try to convert them!

But it seems there's a lot of evil people between us, I'm scared!!!!

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 12:49 pm

is the true path!

Take out all your aggressions and do all those things we all dream about doing in real life. come on, you know you wanna whack somebody, not because you must, but just for the hell of it.

JugglingFool · Post by **JugglingFool** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:45 pm

Evil is much harder to play than good. Which is as it should be. I don't think that it is too hard to make evil decisions in the game, but the reprecusions are killer. The worse your reputaion gets the more likely the Flaming Fist is to randomly attack you every time you move from place to place. Much easier to be good in BG. BG2 makes it a little easier to be bad. Now let me here you say Evil is Good one time.

Aubrey · Post by **Aubrey** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 1:39 am

Being evil? The furthest I can go is chaotic good. I've tried, too, to play an evil character following the "dark" side of myself, but it doesn't seem to be so strong after all.

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 1:46 am

My friends tell me I'm quite evil, but I still can't bring myself to be evil in BG. The most I've done is kill all the courtesans and patrons in the Undercellar, and even then I saved first then reloaded from before the massacre.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:21 am

The problem with being evil in BG is that most of the evil options are quite stupid... A smart evil person doesn't go around insulting and threatening everybody. Just the people he/she can get away with and has no further use for. Evil people are not necessarily stupid, and you don't have to be a genius to figure out that the so-called "good" paths in BG lead to the best rewards.

Locke Da'averan · Post by **Locke Da'averan** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:31 pm

Have to agree with you Xyx, i've trying to play through BG2 with an evil party, and the truth is, being evil doesn't mean you have to be rude to everybody, tell every goody-two-shoe to pi** off, no being evil is you take the quest, complete it, backstab ppl during it in the back but in a manner you won't be the one who get's hurt in the end.

That's what i did in BG1 although i'm little bit ashamed to admit that when you are inside BG and you get the quest to retrieve helm of balduran for the mage i give him the helm, get the reward, kill him and take the helm back...(i played chaotic good at the time)

But they should've thought the side on the game that when you have low rep items cost about 150-200% more than when your rep is 20, that ain't fun since you can't even blackmail the merchants or smth

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Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:05 pm

Originally posted by Locke Da'averan:
<STRONG>Have to agree with you Xyx, i've trying to play through BG2 with an evil party, and the truth is, being evil doesn't mean you have to be rude to everybody, tell every goody-two-shoe to pi** off, no being evil is you take the quest, complete it, backstab ppl during it in the back but in a manner you won't be the one who get's hurt in the end.

That's what i did in BG1 although i'm little bit ashamed to admit that when you are inside BG and you get the quest to retrieve helm of balduran for the mage i give him the helm, get the reward, kill him and take the helm back...(i played chaotic good at the time)

But they should've thought the side on the game that when you have low rep items cost about 150-200% more than when your rep is 20, that ain't fun since you can't even blackmail the merchants or smth </STRONG>

Part of the problem is defining what is evil and what is good. If you think about it, being an evil person but with a good reputation is a perfect way to avoid scrutiny of the law.

I, personally, choose Chaotic Good for all my pcs, except those who can't be Chaotic Good. I'm not sure that my decisions really reflect that, though. I always choose whatever will benifit me the most, including having the highest rep possible to get the best prices in shops.

Aubrey · Post by **Aubrey** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:53 am

@ Sailor Saturn:

I, personally, choose Chaotic Good for all my pcs, except those who can't be Chaotic Good. I'm not sure that my decisions really reflect that, though. I always choose whatever will benifit me the most, including having the highest rep possible to get the best prices in shops.

This is evil, indeed!

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 12:43 pm

That's not necessarily Evil, just selfish.

Could also be considered Neutral.

XxRPGerxX · Post by **XxRPGerxX** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 2:17 pm

Evil...
I agree fully with what is stated above, evil does not equal lacking in the field of intelligence by any means. Actually, if you look at the Realms as an rp setting..evil must practice a degree of intelligence in order to succeed and thrive. Many of the known villians within the Realms are some of the most intelligent and strategically minded beings within Toril. Some of these 'minds' make up entire organizations. The truth is, evil beings/organizations must practice more intelligence..due to the fact that the actions they undertake within the world are far less accepted, and in that gather quick attention and often quick justice of some sort when made public. Espionage and deception are not games played by the foolish. It takes far more skill when clinging to shadows..than walking within days light. One more thing, being evil does not mean existing void of honor: Two knight(or samurai)may serve separate lords(one evil..and one good)and at the same time follow the same code of honor- examples : Not attacking an unarmed foe, or failure to attack some-one from behind. Its the laws they enforce and the men they serve that see them take opposing sides of the field. Evil can be enjoyable if you see beyond simple darkness..and focus on all the detail and variety it offers. Evil beings can care/love and possess as much strength of feeling for another being, the land and lord they serve, or the code by which they live..just as much if not more than any other...
I hope this opens the world of shadows to some who prior to this could not see beyond simple darkness..
Good hunting to the servants of light, and to those of you who cling to shadows aswell...

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ernme4vr · Post by **ernme4vr** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:29 pm

Geez, this forum was intended to raise the question of playing evil in BG.

I guess I didn't know how powerful some of these topics can be! This is a great discussion! It's great to know what others think about playin' evil.

I always found that in every desicion you make when evil, is like the Mafia. Work for yourself, but keep out of the laws light.

In BG terms, keep your rep around 13. You're working well to keep out of the law's eyes, but still doing crud.

Example: Joseph's Greenstone Ring.

You find the guys ring in the 3rd level of the Nashkel mines. He's dead, and his wife wants the ring back.

Now, you can give the ring back to her, la de dah! OR, you can go to inform her of her husbands death (no choice in that), but you have the choice to take her ring as payment for telling her. You don't lose or gain rep., and you get to enjoy the explosion of emotion from the girl!!

Keep your opinions comin'!! I think we all enjoy seein' what you think!

- King of Hearts