Thac0

Raenvan · Post by **Raenvan** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:06 am

Can somebody explain me how the Thac0 of the different classes improves in ToB ? I know this in SoA and I'm interested if it is the same. Thanx.

leeho730 · Post by **leeho730** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:44 am

At lv21:
Fighters get 0 TACH0 (not sure for monk)
priests get 6, thieves get 10, and mages get 14. No classes but kensai, archers improve TACH0 beyond lv21.

pomr · Post by **pomr** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 6:47 am

It follows the same progression and PnP AD&D 2nd Edition:

Fighter/Ranger/Paladin/Barbarian
THAC0 improves 1 per level

Thief/Bard
THAC0 improves 1 per 2 levels

Priest/Monk
THAC0 improves 2 per 3 levels

Mage/Sorcerer
THAC0 improves 1 per 3 levels

In BG2 they cap the THAC0 at some point, I don't recall where though.

In PnP if you get your fighter to level 31 his THAC0 before any other bonuses is -10, but this doesn't happen in BG2.

I hope this helps.

Raenvan · Post by **Raenvan** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 7:38 am

This means that a single class fighter and a multi class fighter/something have the same THAC0 after they both have got to level 21 (around 6MXP). Am I right ?

Sabre · Post by **Sabre** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:55 am

Yes, the THAC0 of the best class in a multi-class character is used.

Izgoth · Post by **Izgoth** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 12:42 pm

Sarevok and Korgan seem to get thac0 bonuses all the way to L40 this is scary

pomr · Post by **pomr** » Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:44 pm

Certain kits get level based bonuses aside from the ones intrinsic to their class:
Archers gain bonuses for missiles.
Swashbucklers and Kensai get bonuses for melee.

That might have something to do with it.

Korgan is a Berserker, I dunno if he keeps getting bonuses or not, but I suspect he doesn't.

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:46 am

Originally posted by Izgoth:
Sarevok and Korgan seem to get thac0 bonuses all the way to L40 this is scary

Not the Korgan I've played. Of course, his actual THAC0 will be lower than 0 thanks to high strenght, good weapons and items with a bonus to THAC0.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:58 am

Originally posted by Astafas:
Not the Korgan I've played. Of course, his actual THAC0 will be lower than 0 thanks to high strenght, good weapons and items with a bonus to THAC0.

Proficiency slots also increase THAC0. Remember, Sarevok has an 18/00 STR and Grand Mastery in 2H-Swords. So if you give him the Psion's Blade +5, he's going to get an additional +11 to hit (+3 STR, +3 WP, +5 sword). Then, if you give him the Gauntlets of Extraordinary Specialisation, a girdle of giant strength, or any other magic item which increases THAC0, he's going to get more bonuses. Same for Korgan and any of the other fighters (Keldorn, Minsc et al).

[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: HighLordDave ]

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:19 am

Originally posted by HighLordDave:
Proficiency slots also increase THAC0.

You're absolutely right; I forgot to mention that. Actually, a lot of people argue than there is no point in being more than specialized in any weapon. I can't understand this point of view considering the THAC0 bonus of having Mastery in a weapon.

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:41 am

How do you guys pronounce Thaco?
I always say: taco (like the foodthingie)

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 2:43 pm

thAY-co is how I prenounce it.

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 3:08 pm

Vegeta brings up a good point, i have often wondered about this myself. I usually end up saying each letter - Tee aich ay see oh. Which takes a long time. I think I like "taco" better.

Another word I wonder about is Vampiric - is it Vamp-EYE-rick or vamp-EEE-rick? I started just swallowing that syllable and just saying vamp-rick

dvandersluis · Post by **dvandersluis** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 3:12 pm

I say thA - co (1st part like the a in "hat", 2nd part like it's spelled)

Kellen · Post by **Kellen** » Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:50 pm

I think gaxx has it right

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:11 am

But the 'O' is actually a zero, not?
To hit armor class zero is the long version of it.

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:55 am

Originally posted by Vegeta:
But the 'O' is actually a zero, not?
To hit armor class zero is the long version of it.

So do you actually say thaczero? You are right, though. How about taxero?

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:58 am

Texaco

Izgoth · Post by **Izgoth** » Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:59 am

Well If I remember correct my Korgan had thac0 of -28 or somthing like that at the end of ToB.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Fri Aug 24, 2001 12:53 pm

Originally posted by Vegeta:
I always say: taco (like the foodthingie)

Me too. Must be because Dutch doesn't have a "th"-sound.