National Socialism....
then what is the point of this whole thread?Originally posted by Alienbob
who cares if facism and nazism are not all the same thing? IMO they both suck.
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There is no longer any point to this thread. If anyone wants to get it back onto the subject for which it was created, feel free. Or, if you want a laugh, check out Mediev's website. Good grief.
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"Leninism is not the slightest way Stalinism? There are some ideological differences, yes, Lenin did not have as many people killed as Stalin. Nonetheless, Lenin was a brutal dictator. (During Lenins dictatorship at least 200.000 people were killed for political reasons. Thus, when Stalin seized power killing opponents (or those believed to ) was considered an adequate measure of politics by the leadership of the communist party."
"Some ideological differences"? The basis of stalinist politics is the "theory" of socialism in one country, and all other policies of stalinism flow from this tenet. You're claiming they're identical because of both their connections to killings?
You're going to need to provide at least some evidence of the "200,000" killed, and by who (i'm assuming the checka). The dictatorship of the bolsheviki was brought on by extremely harsh conditions in the civil war, and although the cheka did carry out brutal assassinations, they were without lenin's, or many other prominent figures in the soviet government's consent. The period during the bolsheviki dictatorship (a temporary and emergency measure brought on by prevailing conditions at the time) was hardly a rigidly defined, well organized body of experienced politicians; most party members had no experience working in governmental or administrative positions, and governmental affairs were often confused and lacking decent leadership; important events could often be carried out without the leadership even having a clue (a good example would be the Georgian Affair of 1921).
You say the communist party was never "voted in" to power, I'm guessing through bourgeois parliamentary systems. The reason should be obvious. But you also fail to mention by the october revolution the bolsheviki had the majority support of the soviets, the rest going to the left SRs and some menshiviki. And ya, the bolsheviki were the "minority" side of the split of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, the "majority" at the time being the menshiviki. I don't see what this proves. And overthrowing the provisional government was hardly a 5 minute task on a sunday afternoon. Only the bolsheviki could lead the russian workers to power under the slogan of "peace, land, bread".
Trym, I agree there are some significant traits that differentiate fascism from reactionary capitalism (hence the statement in irc, fascism is not the capitalism most would identify, ie bourgeois parliamentary systems, what's often termed "democracy"). As for financing, I'll have to look up the deals between british and US business and the nazi regime. And what's this about the "stalinist perception of fascism"? Also, ty for the luxemburg story, most of what i've read has very few specifics.
In order to reach a realistic conclusion on the nature of fascism, there must be a deeper analysis beyond the simple term of "reactionary capitalism". While there was indeed control of the production by the state (primarily war industry and propaganda), the state was a corporate state, a state acting in the interests of the reactionary bourgeoisie that established it, in the face of popular dissent (a classic example would be the spanish revolution); "It means first of all for the most part that the workers organizations are annihilated; that the proletariat is reduced to an amorphous state". To say because of corporate governmental control over certain aspects of production (again, war industry) means a demise of capitalistic exploitation is ludicrous (in reality, it meant an increase in profits for the capitalists through mediums like forced labor camps, and the economic model being similar to the united states, NOT any kind of "command economy" as der seems to be implying).
As for Hitler appealing to labor: "The followers of Marxian socialism in Germany split into several parties, would if united constitute the greatest force in the nation, and socialism and labor were almost synonomous with germany. Hitler knew this. He capitalized on it. He stole the word." George Seldes, Facts and Fascism, 1943.
"Leninism is not the slightest way Stalinism? There are some ideological differences, yes, Lenin did not have as many people killed as Stalin. Nonetheless, Lenin was a brutal dictator. (During Lenins dictatorship at least 200.000 people were killed for political reasons. Thus, when Stalin seized power killing opponents (or those believed to ) was considered an adequate measure of politics by the leadership of the communist party."
"Some ideological differences"? The basis of stalinist politics is the "theory" of socialism in one country, and all other policies of stalinism flow from this tenet. You're claiming they're identical because of both their connections to killings?
You're going to need to provide at least some evidence of the "200,000" killed, and by who (i'm assuming the checka). The dictatorship of the bolsheviki was brought on by extremely harsh conditions in the civil war, and although the cheka did carry out brutal assassinations, they were without lenin's, or many other prominent figures in the soviet government's consent. The period during the bolsheviki dictatorship (a temporary and emergency measure brought on by prevailing conditions at the time) was hardly a rigidly defined, well organized body of experienced politicians; most party members had no experience working in governmental or administrative positions, and governmental affairs were often confused and lacking decent leadership; important events could often be carried out without the leadership even having a clue (a good example would be the Georgian Affair of 1921).
You say the communist party was never "voted in" to power, I'm guessing through bourgeois parliamentary systems. The reason should be obvious. But you also fail to mention by the october revolution the bolsheviki had the majority support of the soviets, the rest going to the left SRs and some menshiviki. And ya, the bolsheviki were the "minority" side of the split of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, the "majority" at the time being the menshiviki. I don't see what this proves. And overthrowing the provisional government was hardly a 5 minute task on a sunday afternoon. Only the bolsheviki could lead the russian workers to power under the slogan of "peace, land, bread".
Trym, I agree there are some significant traits that differentiate fascism from reactionary capitalism (hence the statement in irc, fascism is not the capitalism most would identify, ie bourgeois parliamentary systems, what's often termed "democracy"). As for financing, I'll have to look up the deals between british and US business and the nazi regime. And what's this about the "stalinist perception of fascism"? Also, ty for the luxemburg story, most of what i've read has very few specifics.
In order to reach a realistic conclusion on the nature of fascism, there must be a deeper analysis beyond the simple term of "reactionary capitalism". While there was indeed control of the production by the state (primarily war industry and propaganda), the state was a corporate state, a state acting in the interests of the reactionary bourgeoisie that established it, in the face of popular dissent (a classic example would be the spanish revolution); "It means first of all for the most part that the workers organizations are annihilated; that the proletariat is reduced to an amorphous state". To say because of corporate governmental control over certain aspects of production (again, war industry) means a demise of capitalistic exploitation is ludicrous (in reality, it meant an increase in profits for the capitalists through mediums like forced labor camps, and the economic model being similar to the united states, NOT any kind of "command economy" as der seems to be implying).
As for Hitler appealing to labor: "The followers of Marxian socialism in Germany split into several parties, would if united constitute the greatest force in the nation, and socialism and labor were almost synonomous with germany. Hitler knew this. He capitalized on it. He stole the word." George Seldes, Facts and Fascism, 1943.
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I would like to welcome the new posters who have shown up in this thread. And I would like very much to keep it open, but I must caution that for this to happen, things have to remain civil. This doesn't mean shouting in capital letters, asking somebody if they know what they're talking about, etc. Your best points are made with logic and courtesy. If you've got a problem with that, write Buck; it's his board, and those are his rules.
Note too that this thread is about Nationalism Socialism. If you want to debate anything else, consider starting up a new thread.
Note too that this thread is about Nationalism Socialism. If you want to debate anything else, consider starting up a new thread.
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Please, refrain from bringing civility into this board, it's the last thing it needs....Originally posted by fable
... things have to remain civil. This doesn't mean shouting in capital letters, asking somebody if they know what they're talking about, etc.
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Great entry! that realy is a great quote. Welcome to GB!Originally posted by porcu
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;
the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
--Winston Churchill
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me no comprendoOriginally posted by porcu
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;
the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
--Winston Churchill
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In an atempt to get the discussion back on track, here is the general program of the German Nazi party.
1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
Breaking the Bondage of Interest
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD
25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.
1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
Breaking the Bondage of Interest
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD
25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.
While others climb the mountains High, beneath the tree I love to lie
And watch the snails go whizzing by, It's foolish but it's fun
And watch the snails go whizzing by, It's foolish but it's fun
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Points 3, 18, 19, 23, and 25 (probably the most important) are the most interesting. Also, in #20, note the use of various words; "education", for example. While literary programs under [spanish, german, or italian] fascism did indeed boost literacy rates, they were "patriotic, fascist, catholic and racist" (from my spanish friend yrch ), i.e. indoctrination (it should be pointed out that most of the followers of every fascist regime knew very little of the theory behind it).
You see more of the class elements in Mussolini's "What is Fascism?" which "outlaws" the class struggle.
Also important is the "repudiation" of democratic ideologies by various (virtually identical) fascist thinkers (franco, mussolini, hitler) and the "fruitful" inequality of mankind.
Trotsky's brief explanation of fascism -
As I have said before, fascism is in no way a "planned" or "command" economy, but a very "free market" economic model (although it should be noted there were clashes with the ruling class on various issues, and wasn't exactly an absolute puppet). In spain, for example, the more militant anarcho-syndicalist unions were suppressed and government controlled trade unions were installed in their place, while the traditional capitalist order continued to operate within these protections.
), i.e. indoctrination (it should be pointed out that most of the followers of every fascist regime knew very little of the theory behind it).Not too different from the United States?The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning.
You see more of the class elements in Mussolini's "What is Fascism?" which "outlaws" the class struggle.
...the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history...And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....
Also important is the "repudiation" of democratic ideologies by various (virtually identical) fascist thinkers (franco, mussolini, hitler) and the "fruitful" inequality of mankind.
As for Trym mentioning the "stalinist conception of fascism", he is mostly correct on several issues. The [stalinist] comintern viewed fascism as the "final period" before revolution, and suddenly every capitalist party worldwide became "fascist". The stalinist theory of "social fascism" further complicated the problem, who were seen as "another enemy", and thus the concept of a real "united front" [against fascism] (which trotsky urged) with the social democrats would never be established. The politics of the comitern had an effect in more than just germany, however; for example, American stalinists denounced Roosevelt in the 1932 elections as a "fascist" candidate, and then denounced Norman Thomas as a "social fascist". After the Nazis took power, the stalinists proclaimed that the revolution was near...only several months later did the stalinists realize the bankruptcy of their ideas, and see the danger of a rearmed germany. However, fascism being extremely capitalistic has nothing to do with Stalinist theories; it's demonstrated clearly throughout the german, italian, and spanish regimes....Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism...affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind...The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State.
Trotsky's brief explanation of fascism -
What is fascism? The name originated in Italy. Were all the forms of counter-revolutionary dictatorship fascist or not (That is to say, prior to the advent of fascism in Italy)?... The fascist movement in Italy was a spontaneous movement of large masses, with new leaders from the rank and file. It is a plebian movement in origin, directed and financed by big capitalist powers. It issued forth from the petty bourgeoisie, the slum proletariat, and even to a certain extent from the proletarian masses; Mussolini, a former socialist, is a "self-made" man arising from this movement...The movement in Germany is analogous mostly to the Italian. It is a mass movement, with its leaders employing a great deal of socialist demagogy. This is necessary for the creation of the mass movement...
The genuine basis (for fascism) is the petty bourgeoisie. In italy, it has a very large base -- the petty bourgeoisie of the towns and cities, and the peasantry. In Germany, likewise, there is a large base for fascism....
At the moment that the "normal" police and military resources of the bourgeois dictatorship, together with their parliamentary screens, no longer suffice to hold society in a state of equilibrium -- the turn of the fascist regime arrives. Through the fascist agency, capitalism sets in motion the masses of the crazed petty bourgeoisie and the bands of declassed and demoralized lumpenproletariat -- all the countless human beings whom finance capital itself has brought to desperation and frenzy...
After fascism is victorious, finance capital directly and immediately gathers into its hands, as in a vise of steel, all the organs and institutions of sovereignty, the executive administrative, and educational powers of the state: the entire state apparatus together with the army, the municipalities, the universities, the schools, the press, the trade unions, and the co-operatives. When a state turns fascist, it does not mean only that the forms and methods of government are changed in accordance the patterns set by Mussolini -- the changes in this sphere ultimately play a minor role -- but it means first of all for the most part that the workers' organizations are annihilated; that the proletariat is reduced to an amorphous state; and that a system of administration is created which penetrates deeply into the masses and which serves to frustrate the independent crystallization of the proletariat. Therein precisely is the gist of fascism....
As I have said before, fascism is in no way a "planned" or "command" economy, but a very "free market" economic model (although it should be noted there were clashes with the ruling class on various issues, and wasn't exactly an absolute puppet). In spain, for example, the more militant anarcho-syndicalist unions were suppressed and government controlled trade unions were installed in their place, while the traditional capitalist order continued to operate within these protections.
Post your thoughts please.We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible economic order. - Adolf Hitler
National Socialism was neither a capitalist nor a socialist movement. It was racist movement. Hitler's main goal was to conquer "Lebensraum" in the east (Poland, Soviet Union).
National Socialism is often regarded having been a monolithic, extremly organized movement, actually being the opposite. Just an example: the Nazi's view on religion: Rosenberg (who considered himself being the Nazi chief ideologist) was a dedicated atheist, Kerrl demanded a "German Christianity" and Himmler wanted to resurrect Norse mythology. The question of socializing was as well highly debated over, many prominent Nazis favoring a socialistic society. Hitler always lavitated between the factions, trying to avoid a conflict that would obstruct his main goal: conquering territory in the east. He was interested in an efficient economy that conduct and finance his military build-up.
The question of the economic order of Germany was secondary.
That's why socialists and communists have a problem explaining National Socialism: in their eyes all political ideologies must be explained with classes and the ownership of the medias of production.
National Socialism is often regarded having been a monolithic, extremly organized movement, actually being the opposite. Just an example: the Nazi's view on religion: Rosenberg (who considered himself being the Nazi chief ideologist) was a dedicated atheist, Kerrl demanded a "German Christianity" and Himmler wanted to resurrect Norse mythology. The question of socializing was as well highly debated over, many prominent Nazis favoring a socialistic society. Hitler always lavitated between the factions, trying to avoid a conflict that would obstruct his main goal: conquering territory in the east. He was interested in an efficient economy that conduct and finance his military build-up.
The question of the economic order of Germany was secondary.
That's why socialists and communists have a problem explaining National Socialism: in their eyes all political ideologies must be explained with classes and the ownership of the medias of production.