!! Armor Class TEST !! - Att : Nighthawk

WarlordTCK · Post by **WarlordTCK** » Thu Jan 25, 2001 12:59 pm

As you said me that AC -10 is the maximum
considered by the game, I've done the
following test :

Me : Level 19 Warrior
175 HP, 19 STR, 19 DEX, 19 CON, 19 INT,
8 WIS, 19 CHA (no cheats, just BIG luck

)

Opponent : Keldorn Level 18
19 STR (belt of xxx giant str), gauntlets
of DEX + Sunray Sword (+2)

1st TEST : AC -12

20+2 --- Touch
19+2 --- Fail

2ond TEST : AC -10

18+2 --- Touch

As you see, the game considers AC < 10.

I also did the same test with AC -18,
but keldorn couldn't touch me. That's why
i tested with AC -12 only.

A also realized (with a help of DEX editor)
a battle between me and a 19 Level
Barbarian (Minsc

)equipped with Flail of Ages and Protector of Eastheaven.
My man won, but was near death - 24 HP Left.

Best regards.
Waiting for your comments.

Foss · Post by **Foss** » Thu Jan 25, 2001 1:09 pm

Well, it also sais in the manual that if you have < -10 in AC you will have very good magic items on you, and it is not normal to have less then -10. SO ofcause you should be able to get less than -10, as you have proven there.

Nighthawk · Post by **Nighthawk** » Fri Jan 26, 2001 12:21 pm

Minsc is a Ranger, not a barbarian. He doesn't get the extra hp, 20% resistance to weapons, nor the Rage ability (Enrage is weaker except vs Imprison and in some cases when your Str is already 25).

What other equipment did the characters have? (Helms, Boots, Armor, Belts, Gauntlets, etc) How many times did you run the duel?

I'll have to look at the AC question. This could completely change the 'best warrior' picture. Shields might actually be worth using.

[This message has been edited by Nighthawk (edited 01-26-2001).]

tigerone · Post by **tigerone** » Fri Jan 26, 2001 7:22 pm

I'm a little ignorant...It seems as if the to-hit success threshold is a bit high for a level 18 warrior...

With your second test of AC-10 and a success at 18+2, the attacker's Thac0 WITH all strength and sword bonuses is --- 10? I'm just curious.

WarlordTCK · Post by **WarlordTCK** » Sat Jan 27, 2001 12:05 am

Nighthawk, please,
do you consider I'm fullish
at that point ? Testing barbarian
abilities using Minsc ?
I've just left the name - Minsc,
but I've modified all characteristics
with the help of Shadowkeeper.
Plus, I took a real Barbarian
(one of my friend's main character)
in order to copy ALL chars in detail.
By the way, have you ever noticed
that Shadowkeeper is not always a
good thing for testing ?
But I'll explain that another day.

Concerning armor class, this is
absolutely clear :

AC -12

20+2 - Touch
19+2 - Fail

AC -10

18+2 - Touch

This is The BEST prove you can find !
Don't need to test anymore.

Nighthawk · Post by **Nighthawk** » Fri Feb 09, 2001 11:57 am

Ok, I FINALLY got to look into this...

Despite whatever has been said by manuals, walkthroughs, etc...and what I have said myself, AC -10 is NOT the best AC in the game.

However, my tests seem to indicate that AC -20 INCLUDING modifiers (ex Slashing -3) is the best.

Attacker: Kensai/Theif w/ Dakkons: Thac0 -4, slashing attack.

Defender: Berzerker with various equipment giving various AC/slashing combinations.

AC -10 (slashing -2)
Expected ToHit: -4 - -12 = 8 Tested ToHit: 8
AC -12 (slashing -3)
Expected ToHit: -4 - -15 = 11 Tested ToHit: 11
AC -18 (slashing -3)
Expected ToHit: -4 - -21 = 17 Tested ToHit: 16

Anyone else want to test this and see if you can confirm it?

[This message has been edited by Nighthawk (edited 02-09-2001).]

Genesis · Post by **Genesis** » Fri Feb 09, 2001 12:14 pm

Warlord you are half right...if it were a straight AC test then your numbers are correct. But there are also penalties to various weapons based on what eq you are wearing remember...look at the back of your manual...so if they armor is a +2 to crushing attacks even if your AC is -12 against a crushing weapon it is actually -10. but besides that You are right on.