Originally posted by EMINEM
Oh yeah... how long have I been married? I'm not. I'm 22, just recently graduated from university, and more in love with Aerie and Viconia than any real life females I know.![]()
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I rest my case.
Beldin
Originally posted by EMINEM
Oh yeah... how long have I been married? I'm not. I'm 22, just recently graduated from university, and more in love with Aerie and Viconia than any real life females I know.![]()
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Excuse me, but this is a misinterpretation of causality and correlation. If two variables are correlated and one happens before the other in time, it still does not necessarily mean than one caused the other - it is still as possible that background factors caused both. A correlations says nothing about causality, this is very important to realize.Originally posted by EMINEM
The research findings are clear; question begging will not change the results. First came the sexual promiscuity, then came the depression, anxiety, alcohol abuse, illegal use of drugs...
This is equal to saying "no research is necessary to have a personal opinion", and that I agree with. But to find out whether your personal opinion coincides with real events, controlled studies, ie research, is needed. You recognise negative effects of sexual activity in young people because your opinion is that it is wrong. Any observer can look at any events and make a certain interpretation of causes and effects. Such personal observations can be biased, both observer biased and selection biased.
In any case, no research is necessary to recognize the effects sexual activity can wreck on young, immature, and impressionable minds and hearts.
Real life examples in the form of anecdotal evidence don't provide eny evidence, but what it demonstrates is variability - different couples live differently and marriage is not a factor in happiness or life quality. I however have plenty of such anecdotal evidence if you like to hear. Some happy, close and good couple relationships I have personal knowledge of:Originally posted by EMINEM
As to your second question... do you have a real life example of such a one?
Do you want me just to name a couple which is unmarried and have a loving, stable etc relationship? I'm sure you can think of one yourself.As to your second question... do you have a real life example of such a one?
come come Beldin...for reasons above, we cannot just say 'I'm married, you're not so I know more than you.' and then discount one anothers arguments. I seriously doubt wether even youNo more questions, your honour !
I rest my case.
'Still waiting for reasons why pre-marital sex is preferable to sex within marriage. In the meantime,Originally posted by C Elegans
This is equal to saying "no research is necessary to have a personal opinion", and that I agree with. But to find out whether your personal opinion coincides with real events, controlled studies, ie research, is needed. You recognise negative effects of sexual activity in young people because your opinion is that it is wrong. Any observer can look at any events and make a certain interpretation of causes and effects. Such personal observations can be biased, both observer biased and selection biased.
IT'S NOT!!!!!!Come on man, read my posts...neither one is preferable which is why it is bad that people are pressured into marriage by society and the Church.'Still waiting for reasons why pre-marital sex is preferable to sex within marriage.
Who is this directed to? To Astafas, Beldin, me or us all? I hope you don't expect me to comment on points that were your replies to Astafas, Beldin or Frogus. Or is this a reply to my previous post where I addressed some questions to you that you haven't replied?Originally posted by EMINEM
1. You didn't address this point, so I'll assume you concur.
2. You also didn't address this point, so I won't comment further.
3. N/A
But I already commented on this 2 posts back. Did you miss that? I even quoted from the study, and pointed out the age dependency.
4. The article that referred to the 1991 study goes as follows:
"The February 1991 issue of the journal Pediatrics reported that researchers at Indiana University found that sexually active teenagers are more likely to be prone to alcohol abuse and illegal drugs, and are more likely to have trouble in school. They reported that sexually active girls were more likely to be depressed, have low self esteem, feel lonely or attempt suicide."
Now from what I can infer from this text (I have no access to online medical journals, unfortunately), the relationship between sexual promiscuity and alcohol abuse, illegal drugs, depression, low self-esteem, loneliness, and suicidal tendencies IS causal, not correlative. If you don't think so, I'd certainly appreciate it if you could locate the study and post it here on SYM, so we can find out for certain.
Think about what you are saying carfully MM. I maintain that there are only three factors which affect the safety of sex: How frequently one 'has it', how many different people one has it with, and what contraception one uses. As far as I can see, saying marriage has anything to do with the safety of sex is completely ridiclulous.you didn't dispute that sex within marriage is safer than sex outside of marriage
What is a common-law relationship?The point was that there is greater peace in marriage than common-law relationships.
I refuse to believe that this is your opinion. Do you really think the world would be a better place if noone had sex? What about in a hundred years? Do you mean instaed that abstainance is better for Christians? Abstainance is better as long as only a few people do it?I've seen enough real life examples to convince me that abstinance is preferable to pre-marital sex.
I (and noone else of course) can tell which is cause and which is effect, but it seems to me (through very close experience) that depression and suicidality (real word?) are effects of conditions of the brain (deficiency in certain hormones etc) and that sexual activity is a second order effect. In my experience of depressed and suicidal people, they are willing to try anything to relieve themselves, even if a rational normal person would not think that it would do any good. Even if you and I can't see how sexual activity would relieve depression, a depressed person is willing to try it on the off chance, hoping irrationally. I however have never noticed that sexually active peole are driven to depression. I have never once heard of this happening in real life or in stats and surveys.They reported that sexually active girls were more likely to be depressed, have low self esteem, feel lonely or attempt suicide
IT IS! You're entitled to your opinion, but I will be forever in complete disagreement with you on this one. On the basis of STD risks alone, terminal or otherwise, it makes sense to have sex only within the bonds of matrimony.Originally posted by frogus
IT'S NOT!!!!!!Come on man, read my posts...neither one is preferable which is why it is bad that people are pressured into marriage by society and the Church.
Think about what you are saying carfully MM. I maintain that there are only three factors which affect the safety of sex: How frequently one 'has it', how many different people one has it with, and what contraception one uses. As far as I can see, saying marriage has anything to do with the safety of sex is completely ridiclulous.
IT IS! You're entitled to your opinion, but I will be forever in complete disagreement with you on this one. On the basis of STD risks alone, terminal or otherwise, it makes sense to have sex only within the bonds of matrimony.
Wow! This is good stuff! Thanks very much, CE. I really appreciate you taking some time off your busy schedule to put this up. Talk about food for thought. I'll let you know what I think of these abstacts as soon as find my dictionary!Originally posted by C Elegans
Here is another study by the same group who did the 1991 Pediatrics study.
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If you find something interesting, you can always click "related article" in the right corner and you'll get back abstracts of articles concerning the same area. You only get abstracs, for access to full articles one must pay.
Sleepy, I couldn't agree more, but these are the dangers of modern society. It's the same as living in the 'Wild West', people die of different causes, because if we didn't we would be overpopulated, we have to die somehow and some people are unlucky enough to contract STI's, others die of a bulletwound.Originally posted by Mr Sleep
@Nippy, as i stated earlier, just because one is aware and educated to the causes and effects of STD's does not mean that they avoid un-protected sex, there are figures to back up the fact that there is a large amount of unprotected sex.
That is a little cynical isn't itOriginally posted by Nippy
Sleepy, I couldn't agree more, but these are the dangers of modern society. It's the same as living in the 'Wild West', people die of different causes, because if we didn't we would be overpopulated, we have to die somehow and some people are unlucky enough to contract STI's, others die of a bulletwound.
Wasn't there a scheme to give young children Condoms that was turned down due to it seeming to endorse underage sex?We have to remember the localiastion as well, different areas have different rates of contraction due to stereotypes and a programmed nature that it doesn't matter if you use a condomn or not. Infact, some people can't even afford them at young ages and that makes a big difference.
The figures were from the UK and were done on the 18-30 year old "Club Culture" It is relevant to the Balerics and the holiday resorts. I can't actually remember the figures and i don't have them to hand, but i could probably find them if needs beSleepy can I ask if these figures are from the UK and where the research was done? (I don't mean to sound like I disbelieve them, I am interested in the dispersion of the data.)