kensai->mage armor options

cahir · Post by **cahir** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:46 am

Quick question: can Kensai dualed to mage wear elven chain? Robes?

nk2 · Post by **nk2** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:45 pm

not elven mails but robes and i would recomend robes (robe of vanesa)

Nullen · Post by **Nullen** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:23 pm

re:

Originally posted by nk2
not elven mails but robes and i would recomend robes (robe of vanesa)

You can wear bladesinger mail even if you are a mage????

Delita · Post by **Delita** » Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:38 pm

Mages may wear all elven chain except the bard's chain mails.

Dualed Kensai may only wear robes.

Kensai don't really need elven chain, if you have good bracers it won't even matter.

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 2:09 am

Kensai/mages CANNOT wear bracers.
Neither armors or helmets.

But they can wear Robe of Vecna, and this is just more than enough!

If you want bracers or helmets take a Berserker/mage.
He could wear even the elven-chain, but with the Robe of Vecna
around, this would be real madness.

cahir · Post by **cahir** » Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:19 pm

when to switch?

Thanks for the replies, folks.
Here's another question that I'd like some feedback on: What do you think is the optimal level to make the switch from Kensai? I was thinking level 9, though I'd really like to be able to grab the bonuses that come at level 12, but I'm concerned with two things: one being the difficulty to get back up to level 13, the other being the somewhat lowered maximum level (by my math, the highest level I can get going straight through the game is 21 or 22, based on my previous experience of having a character at the final fight with just over 5.3 million exp, minus one million for kensai level 12 will leave 4.3 mil which is level 21). That leaves me with 4 advanced abilities, four level 7 spell slots, three level 8 slots, and two level 9 slots. I'm trying to decide whether the extra kensai strengths will make up for the reduced mage capabilities.

If I could get your thoughts or input on this, I'd appreciate it.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:51 am

I didn't played ToB yet, but I usualy finished SoA with a 6 members party with around 4 million exp pt. (doing all the quest, included the NPC quests) with exp. cap removed, so I guess tha the whole ToB should aloud you to reach a far higher exp. level, or I'm wrong?
Any way I just started a new game with ToB and I'm playng too a kensai to be dualled to mage.
I think I'll dual it around 12 or 13 (Littiz suggestion), that will mean that I should recover the kensai abilities while still being in chapter 2-3.

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:33 am

Lompo is right, there are LOTS of XP to be gained, but...
don't be fouled by math!

It's true, especially with a party with no more than 5 members,
that you could achieve a very high level in both classes.
BUT, you'll end playing the whole SoA with a single class kensai, then almost all the rest with a single class mage, and only in the very end you'll have your dual char.
Could be fun, but I don't know if this is your thing....
In a party of six, level 9 could be good, otherwise 12 or 13, IMO.
Forget the fighter special abilities, you'll have other powers to
focus on.
As I stated elsewhere, if you are dualwielding (definetely do it!),
with Improved Haste you could ALMOST simulate a whirlwind.
Well, less attacks, but they last 1 round/level!
See this thread.....

And maybe this one for other hints...

And make great use of triggers and contingencies!
eheheh

ah, grab the ToB bug fixes from baldurdash . So the spells will work
as they should.
You know that while improved invisible you have +4 AC and Thac0, right?
And while Tensered you have +4 AC, Thac0 and damage, and so on...

Go on as a mage is better IMHO, I now have four 9th level spells, and the
melee capabilities are MORE than enough! FUN!!!

Well, I've pointed out almost all the possible knowledge on the matter!

Nullen · Post by **Nullen** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:23 pm

re:

Originally posted by Littiz
Lompo is right, there are LOTS of XP to be gained, but...
don't be fouled by math!
It's true, especially with a party with no more than 5 members,
that you could achieve a very high level in both classes.
BUT, you'll end playing the whole SoA with a single class kensai, then almost all the rest with a single class mage, and only in the very end you'll have your dual char.
Could be fun, but I don't know if this is your thing....
In a party of six, level 9 could be good, otherwise 12 or 13, IMO.
Forget the fighter special abilities, you'll have other powers to
focus on.
As I stated elsewhere, if you are dualwielding (definetely do it!),
with Improved Haste you could ALMOST simulate a whirlwind.
Well, less attacks, but they last 1 round/level!
See this thread.....

And maybe this one for other hints...

And make great use of triggers and contingencies!
eheheh

ah, grab the ToB bug fixes from baldurdash . So the spells will work
as they should.
You know that while improved invisible you have +4 AC and Thac0, right?
And while Tensered you have +4 AC, Thac0 and damage, and so on...

Go on as a mage is better IMHO, I now have four 9th level spells, and the
melee capabilities are MORE than enough! FUN!!!

Well, I've pointed out almost all the possible knowledge on the matter!

improved haste is definitely a good spell to use but too bad it doesn't come in a mulltiple form....just a thought

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:27 pm

improved haste is definitely a good spell to use but too bad it doesn't come in a mulltiple form....just a thought

Try casting Wish....

You can get Improved Haste for all party members, or Hardiness
for the whole party, or stats raised to 25 again for the whole
party....

Nullen · Post by **Nullen** » Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:09 pm

re:

Originally posted by Littiz

Try casting Wish....

You can get Improved Haste for all party members, or Hardiness
for the whole party, or stats raised to 25 again for the whole
party....

isn't there two different types of wishes though....one incident i had with one was not too fun....

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Sat Mar 30, 2002 2:30 am

That's why I said try casting Wish...
eheheheh
Anyway with an average Wisdom is hard to receive only BAD choices...
You'll have always something tolerable at least!

cahir · Post by **cahir** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 9:00 pm

Thanks all for the great advice, I'm still only in chapter two--of BG1.

Rest assured however that your advice will eventually come to use.

Kameleon · Post by **Kameleon** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 3:40 am

Just remember cahir if you didn't already know:

Always Keep The Pantaloons