Problem with Shapeshifter. (Druid-kit)

Zammi · Post by **Zammi** » Fri May 24, 2002 6:32 am

Ok, so, i got this idea to start a solo-shapeshifter, but the werewolf has a bad thac0, so i checked up the spells.. but for my disappointment, the Holy Power and Champion's Strenght are Cleric-spells, which lowers thac0.

Now i'm asking you, good folks, for ideas?

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Fri May 24, 2002 6:34 am

I'm currently working on fixes, so hang in there!

Zammi · Post by **Zammi** » Fri May 24, 2002 6:36 am

Oh thank you so much, let me know soon as possible.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Fri May 24, 2002 7:18 am

Originally posted by Zammi
Ok, so, i got this idea to start a solo-shapeshifter, but the werewolf has a bad thac0, so i checked up the spells.. but for my disappointment, the Holy Power and Champion's Strenght are Cleric-spells, which lowers thac0.

Now i'm asking you, good folks, for ideas?

To solo a shapeshifter, that'll be a hard task untill he reaces level 14.......
Good luck!

Zammi · Post by **Zammi** » Fri May 24, 2002 7:23 am

You mean the 13lvl ability, Greater werewolf? I don't think it's so hard to reach that.

But i really need those advices!

Sojourner, what are you doing?

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Fri May 24, 2002 7:38 am

Originally posted by Zammi
You mean the 13lvl ability, Greater werewolf? I don't think it's so hard to reach that.

But i really need those advices!

Sojourner, what are you doing?

If i'm not mistaken, a druid get's very powerfull spells after level 14!!!

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 7:55 am

Originally posted by Zammi
You mean the 13lvl ability, Greater werewolf? I don't think it's so hard to reach that.

But i really need those advices!

Sojourner, what are you doing?

Be patient, she's never let us down before.
Don't forget to post in the Thanks Sabre & Sojourner thread after she's done.

Zammi · Post by **Zammi** » Fri May 24, 2002 7:57 am

I'll keep my thumbs up.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Fri May 24, 2002 8:02 am

My advice to you would be to remember that you are no fighter... you are a druid. Summons are your friends, use them. Have you got ToB installed?
Someone soloed a shapeshifter without items... it was Kovi I think. Read his posts for more ideas.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Fri May 24, 2002 8:06 am

Without items??????????
Don't think you would make it through irrenicus's dungeon alive!!!
But I have to admit, that's another chalange, without items.
The only problem is, do wands and potions count as items???
My gues would be that a monk has the biggest change to survive then.. or maybe a sorc!

Zammi · Post by **Zammi** » Fri May 24, 2002 8:07 am

Yes, i want to use spells, yes, i want to summon minions, but i do want whack enemies with werewolf!

And i got ToB installed.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Fri May 24, 2002 8:17 am

There seems to be a bug with the greater werewolf form if you have ToB so might want to get that fixed. Don't know if there is a fix cause i changed it myself. They upgraded the greater werewolf but forgot to change their paws IMO.
Wait and see what Sojourner thinks.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed May 29, 2002 9:09 am

I've finished making the changes, and ended up changing more than anticipated.

@Zammi -

Do you have SoA, or ToB?

@Bruce Lee - The icons available are rather limited - I've been thinking about using the Greater wolfwere paws, instead, but right now have left the paws unchanged.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Wed May 29, 2002 3:57 pm

Looking through shadowkeeper's creature list I found two greater werewolfs. The overriden one had paws enchanted to hit +3 doing 2d8 damage.
The original one had paws enchanted to hit +2 and doing 1d12 damage. Now the overriden one has the better AC that the ToB shapeshifter form has so I asume this is what it was meant to be like. However the paws are still the original ones.
It is easy to change with Infinty engine however.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed May 29, 2002 10:37 pm

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Looking through shadowkeeper's creature list I found two greater werewolfs. The overriden one had paws enchanted to hit +3 doing 2d8 damage.
The original one had paws enchanted to hit +2 and doing 1d12 damage. Now the overriden one has the better AC that the ToB shapeshifter form has so I asume this is what it was meant to be like. However the paws are still the original ones.
It is easy to change with Infinty engine however.

However, these paws are not the ones equipped by the Shapeshifter when he polymorphs into werewolf and greater werewolf forms. The game actually had both forms equipping the paws from the Brown Bear. Check out SPCL643.spl and SPCL644.spl.

Zammi · Post by **Zammi** » Wed May 29, 2002 11:27 pm

I got ToB installed..

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Thu May 30, 2002 12:04 am

Originally posted by Zammi
I got ToB installed..

Sorry, I didn't read your previous post.

The following attachment contains my polymorph fix for ToB. Among other things, it does the following:

1) Shapeshifter kit

Tweaks the Werewolf and Greater Werewolf attacks so they can hit something
Greater Werewolf is now immune to normal weapons
Shapeshifter may no longer initiate dialog when polymorphed

2) Avenger kit

Fixed the creature definition of the Fire Salamander - it now has 100% fire resistance
Spider is now immune to web like all other spiders (since the mage's spider polymorph uses the same attack, it will also benefit)
Wyvern is now immune to entangle/grease/web like all other wyverns

3) General

Cleaned up the polymorph spells to remove some inconsistencies and integrate the changes to the Shapeshifter kit
Corrected the attack definition of the quest-level elemental transformations

As always, back up your override directory before installing the fix. Read the Readme contained within for more details. This fix does not alter the dialog.tlk file and should work with most mods, providing the mods themselves don't change the files altered by the fix.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Thu May 30, 2002 12:42 am

Okay but is that a bug? Or is it meant to be like that?

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Thu May 30, 2002 1:00 am

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Okay but is that a bug? Or is it meant to be like that?

Regarding the paws, you mean? The polymorph spells are meant to work that way, since items in the creature definitions are pretty much ignored, when you polymorph. Looking at how the whole polymorph things works, I can see that the game designers did a lot of cutting and pasting when they made these kits, but forgot to do some editing in the process.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Thu May 30, 2002 4:29 am

Note: The Shapeshifter's werewolf and greater werewolf forms benefit from putting *'s into single-weapon style proficiency.