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Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:28 am

One character I've been set on making for some time is a Gold Dwarf Paladin3/FighterXX. I didn't really see this character as a spell casting type, so by multi-classing at third level he gets all of the paladin special abilities (detect evil, divine grace, lay on hands, divine health, aura of courage, smite evil, remove disease, and turn undead) without having spells (which start at 4th level). He's a great fighter (even more so than a straight class fighter due to divine grace, which adds his charisma bonus to his saving throws) and yet still paladiny.

The Stranger · Post by **The Stranger** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 7:52 am

I am really psyched about being able to make a Mage/Thief from scratch and have him wear armor! That will be sweet! I always thought that Elves should have made leather armor that you could cast in. I mean they make Elven Chain Mail, why not leather? I always pictured leather as a more natural substance to work with anyways. Leave the metal to the Dwarves!

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 12:46 am

Originally posted by Onyx
to- SS
i´m relaly suprised at the alignments you have chosen, CN.
i though you where one of those people that was either LG or NG.
And Drow, well SS, what DO you have on mind!?!

LoL, I've never played LG or NG. I usually pick CG, but I took a test thingy that said I'm "True Neutral with Chaotic Evil tendancies." So, I compromised and went with Chaotic Neutral. Actually, after looking out how I play(generally doing whatever will benefit me the most, though sometimes just doing random things for the sake of chaos and randomnessity), I've realized CN fits me better than CG.

I couldn't manage being LG, even if I tried, mainly because I never can figure out what the law is.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 9:53 am

Originally posted by Sailor Saturn
LoL, I've never played LG or NG. I usually pick CG, but I took a test thingy that said I'm "True Neutral with Chaotic Evil tendancies." So, I compromised and went with Chaotic Neutral. Actually, after looking out how I play(generally doing whatever will benefit me the most, though sometimes just doing random things for the sake of chaos and randomnessity), I've realized CN fits me better than CG.

One of the great things about PS:T was how it determined your alignment through your actions, rather than just picking one at the beginning. It's a nice way of seeing how your worldview relates to the D&D alignment system (I'm a die hard Neutral Good).

The Stranger · Post by **The Stranger** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 12:38 pm

I personally like to play a good guy. I like the idea of holding up the ideals of herosim and justice! Corny but that is the way I like to play.

Onyx · Post by **Onyx** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:23 am

Well, i almost every time play a NG cleric or fighter/cleric character.
But on my last game i chose o be a LE thief, actually fighter dual to thief. And i gotta say, i enjoyed it alot. Also it was the first time o chose human, ´cause usually i choose elf or half elf.
As for what my first chose would be in IWDII, i think elf(wild) barbarian.

The Stranger · Post by **The Stranger** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:14 am

One of my all time favorites is the N/G Elven Thief. I love to play thieves in general, but I think of this character more like a scout for an advancing army. He has to learn to scrounge (steal) from all sorts of sources to survive, be able to detect enemy snares and slit the throats of perimeter guards in order to get into thier camps and collect information! Even Elven armys need these guys. Rangers (Stalkers to be precise) can do this too, but they can't detect the traps and such.

Onyx · Post by **Onyx** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:53 am

OK, i've sort of made up my mind.
It's either going to be a human or halfelf barbarian/cleric or barbarian/sorcorer. 'Cause with th e second class i can raise my WILL saves too.
But it's just a thought, i might change my m ind ones i do have the game. I can't wait any more.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:53 pm

Originally posted by Kayless
One character I've been set on making for some time is a Gold Dwarf Paladin3/FighterXX. I didn't really see this character as a spell casting type, so by multi-classing at third level he gets all of the paladin special abilities (detect evil, divine grace, lay on hands, divine health, aura of courage, smite evil, remove disease, and turn undead) without having spells (which start at 4th level). He's a great fighter (even more so than a straight class fighter due to divine grace, which adds his charisma bonus to his saving throws) and yet still paladiny.

Update: Using the new point buy system I've come up with the character's stats.
Str 14 Dex 10 Con 14 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 16
The bonus stat points he gets every 4 levels will go primarily into strength, thus making him a better fighter as he gains experience (though I may put a point into Int, enabling him to take the Expertise feat). Since Paladins tend to be knight in shining armor types, he didn't really need a high Dex (which is good, because gold dwarves have a Dex penalty). BTW, I chose the Gold Dwarf subrace because they don't have a Cha penalty like regular dwarves (and having a paladin with poor Cha is just silly

). This character will act as the leader of the group (since he has such a high Cha) as well as being a very solid combatant.

For my party's rogue I chose a tiefling.
Str 13 Dex 18 Con 14 Int 13 Wis 10 Cha 10
Given the tiefling's special abilities (Cold, Fire, and Electrical Resistance 5, +10% to Hide in Shadows, Blindness 1/Day) I figured it was worth taking the exp penalty these guys have. I figured he start out as a rogue then multi-class to ranger, then go back to rogue. The reason for this is that the rogue starts off with a lot of beginning skill points, and I’m only taking the one ranger level for the 3 free feats anyway (Tracking, Ambidexterity, and Two-Weapon Fighting as long as you're wearing light or no armor). Since TWF was nerfed in 3E it's only really worthwhile when combined with Sneak Attack. Taking a single level of ranger gives my rogue these feats (as well as Favored Enemy) for free. As you can see, the PHB ranger is way frontloaded (and it doesn't help that they get very little at higher levels). People wishing to play as rangers are advised to take only a single ranger level then multi-class to something else. The Monty Cook ranger was quite good (some would say too good) but now that we're back to the PHB ranger there's no reason to stick with the class unless you like playing underpowered characters.

I'm still working on the rest of my party...

Onyx · Post by **Onyx** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:32 am

@ Kayless, hey man, dex10, that's one thing i just can't do.
I'm one of those people that have got to have dex=>16.
I do like my AC.
Anyway, about you thief/ranger, i like that a lot. Well to tell you the truth, at one of my roleplying sessions, i am playing a human ranger/thief, and hten only thing i can say is that he rocks for all those reason you have mantioned.
I know i'm going to have a ranger/thief in my party.
Another good character to make is a cleric/sorcorer ,'cause they both need the high charisma stat. Clerics for turning undead and sorcorers for spells unlike wizards who use int.
Still for my front character i'm going to go with barbarian/cleric or barbarian/sorcorer just for the fun of it.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:42 pm

Originally posted by Onyx
hey man, dex10, that's one thing i just can't do.
I'm one of those people that have got to have dex=>16.
I do like my AC.

LOL

I don't really see dwarves as the most nimble of people and since my paladin's going to be girt in full plate anyway, Dex isn’t going to be as important as it is for say, the rogue.

Originally posted by Onyx
Anyway, about you thief/ranger, i like that a lot. Well to tell you the truth, at one of my roleplying sessions, i am playing a human ranger/thief, and hten only thing i can say is that he rocks for all those reason you have mantioned.
I know i'm going to have a ranger/thief in my party.

The rogue/ranger is a very popular multi-class (an added bonus I forgot to mention is that they share many of the same skills, like Move Silently and Hide). WotC may have screwed up the PHB ranger, but as players we have an obligation to exploit that.

Originally posted by Onyx
Another good character to make is a cleric/sorcorer ,'cause they both need the high charisma stat. Clerics for turning undead and sorcorers for spells unlike wizards who use int.
Still for my front character i'm going to go with barbarian/cleric or barbarian/sorcorer just for the fun of it.

I don’t usually multi-class spell-casting classes with other spell-casting classes, since it only hampers their magical abilities (a clr3/sor3 is going to be much weaker than a straight clr6 or a sor6). Clerics are quite powerful as they are, and don't really need to multi-class (unless you're doing it for role-playing reasons). Of course, fighter/wizards or barbarian/sorcerers etc. are a different matter. With these I'd suggest specializing in long lasting buffing spells (Mage Armor, Bull’s Strength, Cat’s Grace) that you can cast at the beginning of a dungeon, then afterwards putting on all your heavy armor (offensive casting while in heavy armor is risky).

ZakAce · Post by **ZakAce** » Sun May 05, 2002 1:13 am

Heh heh...... *my* party.....

*Slight Spoilers for those who don't peruse the Black Isle message boards*
Aasimar Paladin. Name: Cherise.
Drow Fighter/Cleric. (Domain of Bane). Name: Desdemona.
Tiefling Rogue/Cleric (Domain of Mask). Name: Anunciacion.
Wood Elf Ranger. Name: Azra Ti'Vael.
Moon Elf Cleric. (Domain of Selune). Name: Luna.
Half-Orc Barbarian. Name: Impedimenta.

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Sun May 12, 2002 7:17 am

Originally posted by ZakAce
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Um....

The Z · Post by **The Z** » Tue May 14, 2002 8:15 pm

My first couple characters might be:
Dwarf (Not sure what type): Fighter
Half-Orc: Barbarian
Wood Elf: Ranger
Just because the classes sort of fit the races....about the rest of the party I have no clue....and I haven't decided if I'm going to multiclass any of 'em or not either

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Fri May 24, 2002 12:41 am

Originally posted by Kayless

For my party's rogue I chose a tiefling.
Str 13 Dex 18 Con 14 Int 13 Wis 10 Cha 10

Another Update: I'm changing the tiefling's stats slightly (Str 13 Dex 20 Con 12 Int 13 Wis 10 Cha 10) and decided on another character. Since I generally like to have at least two good fighter types in my party (preferably with differentiating skills sets) I added a BarbarianXX/Fighter4 Half-Orc to the mix. Stats are Str 20 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 8 Wis 10 Cha 8. The four fighter levels allow the character to take Weapon Specialization while not hurting level advancement (since barbarian is the Half-Orc's favorite class), as well as giving some much-needed bonus Feats (three, to be precise). Now Half-Orcs are a bit underpowered in 3E, but I chose one primarily for role-playing purposes so it's all good.

That's half my party (Pal/Ftr Dwarf, Rog/Rng Tiefling, Bbn/Ftr Half-Orc), but I still have to decide on a wizard, a cleric, and... something else.

Onyx · Post by **Onyx** » Fri May 24, 2002 1:00 am

Originally posted by Kayless

I added a BarbarianXX/Fighter4 Half-Orc to the mix. Stats are Str 20 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 8 Wis 10 Cha 8. The four fighter levels allow the character to take Weapon Specialization while not hurting level advancement (since barbarian is the Half-Orc's favorite class), as well as giving some much-needed bonus Feats (three, to be precise). [/IMG]

Most people would think it's a waste of time to have a half orc barbarian and take 4 levels in fighter, but i gotta say, smart move my man. You are really boosting up that barbarian with those 3 feats and the weapon specialization. It's a bit with my human ranger-rouge. Ranger, as you know if he/she wears armor light or medium gets some pretty nice feats, and favourite enemy, and some very basic druid spells, and then all the way rouge.
I also see you've got a ranger-rouge in you party too. Really handy to have around i think. Also if you are added the half orc for roleplaying purposes, what weapon do you see him using, not that it really matters wit 3E, but as you said, for roleplaying purposes.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Fri May 24, 2002 5:15 am

Originally posted by Onyx
Most people would think it's a waste of time to have a half orc barbarian and take 4 levels in fighter, but i gotta say, smart move my man. You are really boosting up that barbarian with those 3 feats and the weapon specialization.

You can never have too many feats, I always say.

Non-humans are at of a bit of a disadvantage due to their lack of feats (Humans get an extra one), so the Fighter seemed a natural choice for the half-orc (and the Weapon Specialization doesn't hurt either).

Originally posted by Onyx
It's a bit with my human ranger-rouge. Ranger, as you know if he/she wears armor light or medium gets some pretty nice feats, and favourite enemy, and some very basic druid spells, and then all the way rouge.
I also see you've got a ranger-rouge in you party too. Really handy to have around i think.

Yeah, Rogue/Rangers are kick ass. You can multi-class fairly evenly or only take a single level of Ranger and you'll still get a great character. It's probably the most natural multi-classing choice I've seen.

Originally posted by Onyx
Also if you are added the half orc for roleplaying purposes, what weapon do you see him using, not that it really matters wit 3E, but as you said, for roleplaying purposes.

Definitely something large and two-handed.

Since my dwarf is probably going to be an axe man I think my half-orc will probably be using a great sword. Nice and brutal.

/-\lastor · Post by **/-\lastor** » Sat May 25, 2002 4:29 pm

Hmm normally my protagonist is a paladin, the high charisma ups your reputation and lowers the shops' prices. But I'm thinking cleric this time.

Onyx · Post by **Onyx** » Mon May 27, 2002 1:07 am

Originally posted by /-\lastor
Hmm normally my protagonist is a paladin, the high charisma ups your reputation and lowers the shops' prices. But I'm thinking cleric this time.

i don't think there will be any reputation, as it was with IWD.

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Mon May 27, 2002 2:11 am

There also isn't a protagonist in IWD 2

I'm thinking Ranger/rogue too, and probably something like rogue/sorceror (for (improved) invisibility)