Lobsters also have pain receptors.
. A lot more humane as oppossed to just throwing them in the pot Well...umm I hope it is.Originally posted by C Elegans
@Tamerlane: So freezing is better than boiling then alive? Good, I'll remember that.
We boil them afterwards, but they don't put up a fight. So I think its like putting them to sleep or something. I not really sure if they die or not. )I can certainly see why vegans make the choice they do, especially considering how the animals we eat are kept and transported.
I have to say my knowledge about the crustacean nervous system is limited, but althought they have nociceptors (pain receptors) they don't have a centralised brain like mammals have, that register pain
I wonder how plants become aware of other stimuli, besides sunlight. They do, in fact, react to a wide range of external factors. The evolution of colorful flowers, alone, is enough to convince me that something's up. Those flowers attract a wide variety of organisms, chiefly insects, that aid them in reproduction.Currently it is thought that a living being need to have a nervous system to experience pain, however, we know very little about how plants function, and they do have receptors, hopefully not to perceive any pain
) the unborn chick.LOL! I was thinking about that, too. Is that a part of the "insanity of SYM?"to start a thread with TOILET (and all the schema that go along with it...) then easily transform it to FOOD and POLITICS (afa vegans feel about it)...
I feel sick!Originally posted by Maharlika
As for the balut, you are not suppose to look at it while eating. Just add a little salt, suck the amniotic fluid (tasty!) then start munching (sorry about the term, Ode
For example, Cows fed in stalls become so obsese they cannot stand, or chickens who are fed in tiny cages and have thier toes grow around the bars, only to reform, ironically linking the chicken to its prison. Personaly, I agree with Chanak. The human body is designed to eat meat, and vegetable matter. The process of how we get them should be natural to however, not a process of convience and mass corporations.
The trade-off is simple: mass-production for quantity, or freedom for quality. I imagine that the enviroment (and high-cholesterol feed) that the chickens are subjected to directly impacts our own health. However, I'm not one for a "cause," so you won't see me hugging chickens. I actually checked a couple of animals wellfare webside, and the method they recommended as the most humane, was like you do it - freeze, then boil. So you're on the safe side Obsidian is correct, I am an omnivore and the human body is certainly adapted to an omnivore diet. However, vegans often rise the point that although we have evolved to omnivores, we now have a choice where we can choose to quit eating meat for moral reasons. I agree that we can, but I haven't made that choice simply because I don't think it is immoral to eat other animals. The immoral thing is to inflict pain and suffering on the creatures we eat, and that's where transportations, caging and methods of killing enter the discussion.Originally posted by Obsidian
I think the point CE is making is that the way we treat animals is wrong as opposed to the eating of them. For example, Cows fed in stalls become so obsese they cannot stand, or chickens who are fed in tiny cages and have thier toes grow around the bars, only to reform, ironically linking the chicken to its prison.
Personaly, I agree with Chanak. The human body is designed to eat meat, and vegetable matter. The process of how we get them should be natural to however, not a process of convience and mass corporations.
@ CE how do you know the plants don't scream when the combine comes for them them?
First, welcome here Chanakposted by Chanak
This is true of most arthropods, I think. I like to think of them as efficient little organic robots, capable of carrying on even in the face of dismemberment. Such things normally incapacitate a mammal, for I believe that pain is the incapacitating agent. It's possible that the "pain" they feel is localized, and not transmitted throughout their rather simple nervous system.
Like you say, arthopods in general have no centralised nervous system like a brain, instead their nervous system consists of several ganglia, ie "lumps" or groups of cells. However, pain is a signal with a survival value, and also a lobster or a spider should feel some sort of discomfort towards for instance fire or dismemberment. As I said, I must ask the people at the sensory & motor lab when I come back to work I wonder how plants become aware of other stimuli, besides sunlight. They do, in fact, react to a wide range of external factors. The evolution of colorful flowers, alone, is enough to convince me that something's up. Those flowers attract a wide variety of organisms, chiefly insects, that aid them in reproduction.
Ewwww.Originally posted by Maharlika
As for the balut, you are not suppose to look at it while eating. Just add a little salt, suck the amniotic fluid (tasty!) then start munching (sorry about the term, Ode) the unborn chick.
Actually I think the main reason it sounds disgusting is because it's raw (I assume...) - I wouldn't eat a normal egg raw, or any meat or fish, so I definitely wouldn't eat that Mmmm, scampi...Originally posted by Chanak
You must have had the prawns (we call a certain kind of shrimp a prawn, such as a tiger prawn) served breaded, then. More flavorful than the prawn, however, is the crab. More flavorful than either one, certainly, is the lobster. That's IMO, naturally.
Love the stuff, but you can get prawns with everything but the meat removed, so you they don't look so bad. I did actually have some whole prawns at a Thai restaurant recently, I must be getting more adventurous. Maybe one of these days I will get around to trying crab and lobster... maybe when I'm in Oz, since fresh seafood is more readily available in the coastal cities than here in middle England It's the only time I've seen one served, I guess it's probably not that common.Starfish? I didn't know they were eaten. They don't have a chance to regenerate, then. How sad.
Oz? LOL, makes me think of a certain movie. Where/what is Oz?Mmmm, scampi... Love the stuff, but you can get prawns with everything but the meat removed, so you they don't look so bad. I did actually have some whole prawns at a Thai restaurant recently, I must be getting more adventurous. Maybe one of these days I will get around to trying crab and lobster... maybe when I'm in Oz, since fresh seafood is more readily available in the coastal cities than here in middle England
Don't we all?Originally posted by Chanak
I suppose I could wax poetic on any kind of food, really. Let's face it, I love to dine.
I prefer my eggs unfertilized, thank you.
Oh, sorry... Oz is what we call AustraliaOz? LOL, makes me think of a certain movie. Where/what is Oz?
Although I hear it is also full of munchkins 
