questio: attacks

[MegaToerist]

question: attacks

While looking at some screenshots, I noticed a weird thing: a Rogue 11/Fighter 5 seems to have the same attacks as a Rogue 16. (see this screenshot).
I always thought you added all attacks and bonuses from your different level...
Am I wrong, or is this another change to the 3E rules in NWN?

Thanks,
Geert



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Edit: removed an awful typo from the subject...

[Jodmos]

What the hell, 20 str and 25 dex ???????
Are this spell effects or what ?
At lvl 3 I have an attack bonus of 3, how it comes a lvl 16 has so many attack bonuses ?
And do they stack ?

[THE JAKER]

hmmm, that character is pretty l33t

I was trying to hover my mouse over the different equipment to see what the popup window said, but then I remembered that only works IN the game.

Anyway, I'm having a little trouble deciphering those bonuses - the attack bonuses for a 16th level rogue should be +12/+7/+2 -Jodmos the 3 numbers means you attack 3 times per round, (+off hand attacks) and each attack gets a different bonus. Anyway I'm not sure what all adjustments this character is getting, but those numbers on the sheet seem a little high compared to what a straight rogue should have, so I think there might be some fighter in there. I'm not that great at calculating multiclass character's BAB though.

I think it goes like this: an 11th level rogue gets a +8/+3. A fifth level fighter gets +5. So you add the +5 to the +8 and get +13, and a +13 BAB gives you attacks of +13/+8/+3, which would be the same as an 18th level rogue or a 13th level fighter. That means that this character has +10 bonuses somewher, but I'm not sure where. The STR and DEX are probably enhance by spells or items BTW since the numbers are green.

[MegaToerist]

So this means that you get additional attacks with a cumulative -5 penalty (but never lower that a BAB of +1). This would mean that a high-level Warrior could take a few levels in another class without loosing an attack?

e.g. a Fighter 10/Rogue 10 has a BAB of +10/+5 for the Fighter class and +7/+2 for the Rogue. If you apply the rules that "BAB are cumulative for multi-classed characters", I interpret this as a a +17/+7 BAB total. However, if you only have to add the first number of the BAB, and then progress downward, he would get +17/+12/+7/+2. A *HUGE* difference according to me (all in favor of multi-classed characters...)


From looking at the screenshot, this is how I figure things are: the character has Weapon Finesse, giving a +8 bonus on attacks with the short swords she is wielding. The enchantment of the swords is +3, so this is a +11 bonus to hit already. A weapon focus in Short Swords brings this up to +12. Dual-wielding two small weapons imposes a -2 penalty on both weapons if the character has both Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting feats, which means a total bonus of +10. Adding this to the supposed BAB of +13/+8/+3, this brings the total to +23/+18/+13.
The offhand-weapon brings in two more attacks because of Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, at +23 and +18 respectively

Combined:
+23/+18/+13 main hand
+23/+18 off hand

TC,
Geert

[THE JAKER]

Originally posted by MegaToerist
This would mean that a high-level Warrior could take a few levels in another class without loosing an attack?
However, if you only have to add the first number of the BAB, and then progress downward, he would get +17/+12/+7/+2.

I'm pretty sure that's correct. Like I say I'm not completely confident, but really if it wasn't that was the multiclass would be royally screwed. I think this way is just fair. And so you are correct that a fighter can take a couple levels of something else and still not really miss out on much.

The rest of your analysis of the screenshot fits like a jigsaw puzzle AFAICT....looks very good.

[Mathurin]

You are correct. BAB bonuses from any class stacks and you always get an extra attack when your BAB reaches +5. So if your BAB was +10 you would have 2 attacks at +10 and +5, if it was +15 you would have 3 attacks, so on and so forth.