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Originally posted by THE JAKER
Matter o' taste, innit?
You missed the word geezer from that statement ;)

@fable, i am fairly sure he isn't one of the great comedians of our generation, however is it nice to see someone willing to go out on a limb in an effort to offend everyone and anyone...but this is more of an SYM conversation :)

Plus the issue of geeks vs the world is probably one for RPG discusison :)
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We could always take up the issue of flaming humor over in SYM--you're right, that's more of an appropriate place for this discussion. I've read a few choice examples of elegant putdowns in the past. So if Xandax chooses to move this topic, or close it and suggest we all take the fun over there, I'll come along. ;)
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Moved :)
Fable and Sleepy are right - this discussion is more SYMian than NwN related per se :)


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Somebody obviously thinks that a pure RPG means Diablo.....the meanest hybrid ever to grace the CRPG world....hell, who am I kidding....it was an action game with minor RPG elements (not that it was a bad game, just that I don't consider it that much of an RPG)
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Lowtax

Somethingawful aka Lowtax's site is a horrid place full of angst and putrid evil. Usually I love the site but after my few hours of NWN i agree it is mainly for DnD gamers, which is why Quake is mostly for Quakers.... and Command and Conquer is for Turn based fans and.... see a pattern?

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Re: Lowtax
Originally posted by RandomThug
and Command and Conquer is for Turn based fans and.... see a pattern?

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heh... Tank rush me, I tank rush you.. Pattern repeats... :D
Somebody obviously thinks that a pure RPG means Diablo.....the meanest hybrid ever to grace the CRPG world....hell, who am I kidding....it was an action game with minor RPG elements (not that it was a bad game, just that I don't consider it that much of an RPG)
The fact that Blizzard had the gall to call this an RPG.... :rolleyes:
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Post by ThorinOakensfield »

If you look at his game reviews you'll see that all the games have a score somewhere in the negatives. :rolleyes: Can't expect him to say anything better about NWN.

Anyway how much cooler can they be than us, they spend all their time working on the website and screwing around with photos, and searching the net for websites to make fun off. :rolleyes:

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Have any of you ever read some of the Hentai game reveiws? Thats some funny stuff written there... :D
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That was hilarious!!!! I'm not a big RPG fan myself; however, I feel that BioWare has done a great job of bringing the RPG to the PC, and am playing this mainly because of its great gameplay. But not being of a deep RPG background allows me to see why that is so funny.

The line about showering weekly just about rolled me out of my seat. When I was in college there was a comic book store that hosted RPG tourneys once a month, and the guy that lived across from me in the dorms was participating. Some friends and I wandered over to see how he was doing on day three of the tourney, and upon entering the room where the tourney was held we were met by a great stench. Every person in that tourney exactly match the description given in the above post.

I'm not saying that any person in that room was lesser than me, or that for any reason I am better. What I will say is that playing RPG's takes a great deal of time and the ppl involved get very into what they are doing. This causes a great deal of them to get *lost* in there game, and for a lot of them hygiene suffers during this time. Many groups and clubs of games meet for weekend gaming where they will play for an entire weekend, and ppl see them when they are done, and this creates a certain perception.

I would consider myself a hardcore gamer, and have competed competitively in FPS ever since DOOM. I have seen and been on both sides having percieved others and been percieved in a certain way. I have a perspective that others may not have. All I can say, is that if your first instinct upon reading the above post was to get defensive, maybe you should take a step back and see if you're helping to promote the stereotype that the author has come to recognize in RPG' ers.
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I do not have Neverwinter Nights yet. But I am chomping at the bits to get it!

This review has no effect at all on whether or not I am looking forward to getting this game....The review was, however, very funny, entertaining, and made me laugh out loud! :D :D :D

Which I think was, at least partially, the reviewers intent.
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I was looking for a quote from Something Awful last night, couldn't find it and ended up just reading random stuff including the "guide on how to make an FPS mod" - that one is really funny. There was some bit about naming your mod, and how to make it important sounding so the players know that only their elite team of lagged snipers can save the president or something. That was funny. Lowtax writes some good stuff but his front page material has been a little weak in recent times I think - he is hacking it out IMO. He is funnier when he speaks through characters I think.
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Something Awful did post the funniest send up of forum patrons i have ever witnessed, really excellent :) I will address my earlier points when i am more lucid :)
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Bah: it's an unoriginal humor that has only two controls, and they're set to "blunt" and "loud." :D Now, let's take a bit of a look at Dorothy Parker. She wrote primarly between the world wars: small, pretty, looked quiet and winsome. Actually, sharp as a carefully filed tack, with a wit that could peel paint. (She once wrote, "If all the girls who attended the Yale prom were laid end to end, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.") Her old pal Robert Benchley (a great humorist, but a nice guy) did the theater reviews for the New Yorker magazine, but sometimes Benchley went to Hollywood, where he appeared in many films. During those times, Parker filled in; and it is said (with some truth) that Broadway producers deliberately scheduled their openings around Benchley's visits to New York.

Parker had a way of quickly killing in print anything she didn't like. She once simply reviewed a book by writing, "This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force." Of Milne's The House at Pooh Corner, Parker, who wrote under the pseudonym Constant Reader, wrote "Tonstant Weader Fwowed Up." She wrote of one actor, "He ran the gamut of emotions from A to B." Of a certain well-known actor's performance in a new Broadway version of King Lear, she wrote, "He played the King as though someone else had just played the Ace."

Now, that's acid done up with panache. Can't say I like this kind of thing--I'm temperamently a softy, I guess. But I have admire Parker's way of skewering anything brilliantly and quickly. She didn't take cheap shots, like Something Awful, going for the obvious. She aimed for the jugular, and always hit. May she rest comfortably in hell, where I hope some day to meet her and get an autograph on flameproof paper. :)
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@Fable

I still think your missing the point all together. It's not a matter of how witty or sublime the humor is, but more the ability to recognize ones own frailties and be able to laugh at them.

I'm sure Ms Parker is all that you say she is and more, but do you really think she would even give one seconds thought on posting a review on RPG. Of course not. Are you saying that if she had written a review just as scathing but with more panache, you would have been able to enjoy its intention: that sometimes RPers take things a little bit to serious.
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Originally posted by AngusThermopole
@Fable

I still think your missing the point all together. It's not a matter of how witty or sublime the humor is, but more the ability to recognize ones own frailties and be able to laugh at them.
I don't miss that. :) But I think you're missing my point-- that there's a big difference between someone like, say, Parker, bringing a fine humrous style to critically dissecting something she disliked, and Something Awful, which I find very labored, and obvious. I mean, come on: we all *know* RPGs are about number-crunching: at least, SA should have made something really funny about it! :D Sure, that's just a mismatch with my sense of humor. Each to their own, says I. ;)

Maybe I'll post a full review by Parker, or even Benchley. He very occasionally got hot under the collar.
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Post by AngusThermopole »

Your distinction or point on humor is well taken. I did not miss that, only questioned its relevance. Your first post on the subject, you came off as being insulted or offended, and seemed to take the "review' as a serious attempt to critique the game. I, and others, posted the opinion that the 'review' was not meant to be taken seriously but a matter of humor (banal as opposed to witty) with the intention of poking fun at a specific gaming genre.

To debate on the means(humor) of intent as opposed to the actual intention seems to be missing the point.

I am probably wrong, and you have gotten this all along, and only wanted to point out that there are more ways to do something than being 'loud'. It's just that your not coming off that way; it's more like someone who has just found out that a joke has been played on him, and since he didn't think it was funny, it must not have been funny.
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@Angus, I guess my first response may have given the wrong impression. I did recognize the author meant it to be funny; only I am sooooo very tired these days of people who think that being humorous only means being loud, mock-angry, and dull-witted. It's everywhere: on newstalk radio, on television, in books, on the Internet, etc. When I wrote that the author of that prose uses the website "to flame just about everything and everyone," I meant in the sense of someone who identified flaming with great humor, instead of identifying quality flaming with good humor. My disgust at his style probably pushed some static in the way of getting my message across. ;)

I'm not suggesting as some have said (over and over) that "the times are going to the dogs," but that styles cycle. There have been periods in English literature (I can't speak intimately about others) where crude, rude remarks were considered the height of wit. The Elizabethan stage had quite a bit of it, though more by way of inuendo. (The literature was another matter. It was pretty damn blatant. Too bad I can't reproduce examples up here.) I've found some current pungent expresssions that have to do with reproduction and excretion being used in English plays of the early 17th century. Doesn't bother me; they're usually put in context next to a lot of other comic stuff. They lend flavor, like topological variety in a landscape. Who wants everything to look the same, as though taking a walking tour through Belgium?

Then the English Got Religion, and cut off Charles I's head. Literature had to be high-minded to be published. When the Restoration brought Charles II into power, the literature became racier than before. In the 19th century, reaction set in. And so it goes.

I'm sure there was a purpose to the last two paragraphs I've written at one time, but I'm tired to find it and tie it down. :p Oh, well. If I'm going senescent, I have the satisfaction of knowing that you're all being dragged, kicking and screaming, behind me. ;)
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Post by AngusThermopole »

Fable:

Interesting post. It's obvious that your knowledge of literature goes far beyond mine. I only know what I like, and I, like you, do not particulary care for the "shock" and "real" trend aspect the media has taken on.

Give me a Gene Wolfe novel and I'm a happy camper.

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Originally posted by eviljr
<snip>The line about showering weekly just about rolled me out of my seat. When I was in college there was a comic book store that hosted RPG tourneys once a month, and the guy that lived across from me in the dorms was participating. Some friends and I wandered over to see how he was doing on day three of the tourney, and upon entering the room where the tourney was held we were met by a great stench. Every person in that tourney exactly match the description given in the above post.
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Well this is not only RPG-"geeks".
Myself - not being much into RPG(am getting there though :cool: ) have joined several LAN-parties going up to a full week.
Let me tell you how much people shower at such events ...... you guess it - nada :D

So the scenario you descripe goes both to computer geeks (like so many of us are :D ) as well as others :p
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I have to agree with Fable here, it was a good idea, and timed perfectly to get the maximum reaction, but could have been made so much better with a bit more of a deft hand on the writer's part.
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