Ranger\rogue equipment

Mathurin · Post by **Mathurin** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:24 pm

A monk at 20th level would have 5 attacks per round a fighter would have 4 or 6 if he used 2 weapons and had improved 2 weapon fighting.

Gothmog4230 · Post by **Gothmog4230** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 1:32 am

anyway i think parry is great im just gona build it up and ill see where it gets me.

about armor - leather armor has max dex bonus 6 and considering i am only at the end of first chapter and already have 5 bonus i wonder what then - no armor?? to get full dex bonus???

oh yeah those items i got from henchman it says that it can be upgraded in next chapters does that mean that i can only upgrade item from my current henchman = the one i take with me
or can you do other hanchman quests in later chapters

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 1:50 am

You could always use Padded Armor. There may also be magical armor with less restriction on the maximum Dexterity bonus.

You can change Henchman in every chapter as well as completing all personal quests.

Magus · Post by **Magus** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 1:50 am

Remember that armors come with magical bonuses to AC. You always want some type of armor, no matter how high your DEX is. It just might mean you want to go with armors that don't limit DEX, like mage and monk robes. My character's a fighter/rogue with 29 DEX with current equipment, and he could actually wear Robes of the Neutral Archmagi (or whatever they are) and get a higher AC than the Dragon Armor chain shirt he's wearing right now. But the Dragon Armor not only looks cooler; it gives +3 to all saving throws. Very nice. Having high DEX really comes in handy. You can pretty much wear whatever armor you want and come out with the same AC as a fighter with the best full plate. Not only that, but your Reflex save becomes phenomenal. The only real disadvantage is that you'll do about 6-8 damage less per blow than a fighter with the same equipment, but that focuses on STR.

BTW, you can upgrade all henchman items, as long as you did their quest in the previous chapter. It seems kind of cheap to me if you don't actually use the henchman though...

Gothmog4230 · Post by **Gothmog4230** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:00 am

so is it worth spending one point at wisdom only to get that spell cats grace ?

Crosswind · Post by **Crosswind** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:16 am

Is there a list somewhere of what items you can craft and the required recipes?

-Cross

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:34 am

Originally posted by Gothmog4230
so is it worth spending one point at wisdom only to get that spell cats grace ?

I think so, but it's really up to you. Do you want to play a spell throwing Ranger or do you feel it doesn't matter? As for stats, my preferences can maybe give you some ideas:

http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/showt ... adid=18255

Gothmog4230 · Post by **Gothmog4230** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 1:17 pm

now i got to long awaited feat called improved critical
i dont know should i take it for rapier (main hand weap.) and leave short sword (off hand) just like it is
i would choose rapier because of base critical range 18-20

other option is to take it for short sword to apply on both hands but with less range
So about short sword i know i will use that of quickness

i dont know of rapier is there any for which it would be worthy to sacrifice off hand

and third choice to take imp for both weapons

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 10:07 pm

@ Gothmog4230

I'm not sure I've understood your dilemma correctly, but why not use two Rapiers?

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:19 pm

Using two rapiers gives you -4/-4 penalties, while going for short swords only implies -2/-2...

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:26 pm

Originally posted by MegaToerist
Using two rapiers gives you -4/-4 penalties, while going for short swords only implies -2/-2...

And why is that?

Gothmog4230 · Post by **Gothmog4230** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:29 pm

off hand should be light to get more attack bonus, and short sword of quickness is too good not no use it.

What i'm asking is if is any rapier out there for which i would get improve critical strike
if not i can take imp.critical for short sword and dualwield them

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:48 pm

Originally posted by Gothmog4230
off hand should be light to get more attack bonus

You mean that off hand weapon should be light in order to get less attack penalty? Rapiers are considered as light weapons for medium-size characters. From the manual, p. 131: "Although not a small weapon, Medium-size creatures can use the rapier as if it were, making it an ideal off-hand weapon."

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:53 pm

Originally posted by Gothmog4230
What i'm asking is if is any rapier out there for which i would get improve critical strike
if not i can take imp.critical for short sword and dualwield them

I'm still not sure what you mean. The Improved Critical works for any chosen weapon AFAIK. Do you mean if there are any good Rapiers out there which make the choise worth it? Well, I sure like the Namarra +1 (I suppose it can be upgraded later), which dazes your ennemies.

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:18 am

The best rapier, imho, is the Rapier of the High Road, which is a keen +1 weapon with an extra 1d6 acid damage.
I'd rather get a main-hand weapon with a higher enchantment level to hit harder opponents (I'm currently only in Ch2, but I guess there are opponents who require +2 or even +3 weapon to be hit).
Also, from RP pov, the Rapier of the High Road is "a bane hor honest men", so it's no option for me...

If there was a simple +3 keen rapier in the game, I'd vote for a rapier main-hand; now I'm inclined towards using two short swords, and using your feats to improve both weapons at once...

@Astafas: just check your character screen when using two rapiers, and then use a small weapon offhand: it gave a difference in my game (human male ranger or human female fighter/rogue)

TC,
Geert

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:40 am

Originally posted by MegaToerist
@Astafas: just check your character screen when using two rapiers, and then use a small weapon offhand: it gave a difference in my game (human male ranger or human female fighter/rogue)

It certainly shouldn't be so. It's either a real bug or due to the fact that the character sheet sometimes doesn't update properly. Hopefully both of these problems will be taken cared of by the new patch.

Crosswind · Post by **Crosswind** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:35 am

Nope.

Rapier is a medium-sized weapon in DnD. Fact. The Manual is incorrect on this matter, as it is in a number of things (Dual Wielding, 13 int req for Improved Knockdown, importing into saved single player games). Wielding 2 rapiers incurs a -4/-4 penalty. Wielding 2 short swords incurs a -2/-2 penalty.

This is the way it is and the way it is supposed to be.

-Cross

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:10 am

Originally posted by Crosswind
Nope.

Rapier is a medium-sized weapon in DnD. Fact. The Manual is incorrect on this matter, as it is in a number of things (Dual Wielding, 13 int req for Improved Knockdown, importing into saved single player games). Wielding 2 rapiers incurs a -4/-4 penalty. Wielding 2 short swords incurs a -2/-2 penalty.

This is the way it is and the way it is supposed to be.

-Cross

I've never said that the Rapier isn't a medium sized weapon. What I said was that it is considered as a light weapon and therefor a good choise as off-hand weapon, at least that's what the manual says. I can't find anything clarifying this matter in the Player's Handbook 3rd Ed. Which source are you refering to? It seems strange that you can use Rapiers with Weapon Finesse, but not have them as off-hand weapon without incurring the larger penalty.

Crosswind · Post by **Crosswind** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:18 am

Alas, don't have my player's handbook at work (somehow I think they'd object)...

The point I believe the manual is unclear on is whether the rapier IS a light weapon or is considered one. It is neither a light weapon nor considered one. It is a medium weapon that is affected by weapon finesse. It's best to think of it that way: as I recall, the spiked chain is another medium or large weapon that you can finesse.

-Cross

Gothmog4230 · Post by **Gothmog4230** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 7:02 am

anyway i'm just gona wait with this feat till i get weapon i will use.

MEGATOERIST you said you are in second chapter and you got that keen +1 rapier. where did you get it?

yeah i know its random but still i'll just reload 100 times (im in 2 chapter too). as much as i know keen weapons already have doubled critical range + rapiers(18-20) makes it 16-20 and with improved would it make 12-20? that would be SOO cool

about rapier best thing woud be what CROSSWIND said: It is a medium weapon that is affected by weapon finesse.

there is a list of items in the game somewhere on this site BUT they want me to sign in and pay

so is there any other list of items or at lest weapons where i could check best rapiers and short swords in the game