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Aqua-chan · Post by **Aqua-chan** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:22 pm

It would be a funny sight... a Breakdancing six year old Knight...

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:24 pm

Originally posted by Aqua-chan
It would be a funny sight... a Breakdancing six year old Knight...

Not only that....It would also be me. I think that just simply boggles the mind.

BTW-It seems BS stepped out on us....

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:29 pm

Wow AC for someone on who has been spending a good amount of time here and is on the cusp of 1000 posts, you sure work real hard at keeping people away. 'sup wit dat.

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:31 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
Wow AC for someone on who has been spending a good amount of time here and is on the cusp of 1000 posts, you sure work real hard at keeping people away. 'sup wit dat.

Hmmm odd are she mentions BS in her 1000th post ?? I say 1:5 odds.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:32 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
Wow AC for someone on who has been spending a good amount of time here and is on the cusp of 1000 posts, you sure work real hard at keeping people away. 'sup wit dat.

Ive been at SYM for 3 weeks and I got 1k posts already.

And I dont SPAM.......well not too much

EDIT @McBane Well, she does seem to be obsessed with him.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:32 pm

@McBane,

whoa! Our music tastes during the 80's almost paralleled each other. I, too, was a big maiden, metallica, and crue fan until about 86 when I turned to a lot of UK music. I've been listening to U2 since october came out back in 1983; The Unforgettable Fire still remains one of my all time favorite albums. REM was good until document came out, all downhill from there IMHO. Aaah, remembers the days of fables and life's rich pageant

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:35 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
@McBane,

whoa! Our music tastes during the 80's almost paralleled each other. I, too, was a big maiden, metallica, and crue fan until about 86 when I turned to a lot of UK music. I've been listening to U2 since october came out back in 1983; The Unforgettable Fire still remains one of my all time favorite albums. REM was good until document came out, all downhill from there IMHO. Aaah, remembers the days of fables and life's rich pageant

Just further proof that great minds think alike!

**pours himself and Ned a shot of Jager**

EDIT

I just noticed...Crue fan?? Didn't you live in Wisconsin? Did you catch the Theater of Pain tour? Alpine Valley. circa 1984-1985. There was a Japanese heavy metal band that opened up...**Can not think of name.....hit song was......Rock and Roll Crazy Nights**

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:35 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
@McBane,

whoa! Our music tastes during the 80's almost paralleled each other. I, too, was a big maiden, metallica, and crue fan until about 86 when I turned to a lot of UK music. I've been listening to U2 since october came out back in 1983; The Unforgettable Fire still remains one of my all time favorite albums. REM was good until document came out, all downhill from there IMHO. Aaah, remembers the days of fables and life's rich pageant

I like a bit of U2 and REM aswell
U2-Sunday Bloody Sunday is awesome-I like a few others.
REM-Losing my Religeon (but thats a 90's song)

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:41 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
REM was good until document came out, all downhill from there IMHO. Aaah, remembers the days of fables and life's rich pageant

I thought that Green was REM's last good album. I saw REM live for their Green World Tour in 1990 (I was a junior in high school) and they had a pretty good live show, although I thought they played too much stuff off of their upcoming album (Out of Time) instead of promoting their current album (Green) or some of their old fan favourites (Radio Free Europe, etc.).

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:44 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave

I thought that Green was REM's last good album. I saw REM live for their Green World Tour in 1990 (I was a junior in high school) and they had a pretty good live show, although I thought they played too much stuff off of their upcoming album (Out of Time) instead of promoting their current album (Green) or some of their old fan favourites (Radio Free Europe, etc.).

I have to agree. I liked Green (except for Superman), and really liked Document (sorry Ned). I was disappointed with Out of Time, and didn't bother with Automatic for the People....

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:50 pm

Superman was on life's rich pageant. Is there a different version or another tune named Superman.

Did document have finest worksong on it. if so, document was not a bad album but it got played into the ground by the radio. Green was ok, I guess, but didn't it have that infernal 'stand' song on it.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:51 pm

Originally posted by McBane
I was disappointed with Out of Time, and didn't bother with Automatic for the People....

While I haven't cared for any of REM's work since Green, I understand that they had to change their music some otherwise their fans would be complaining about how all of their music has sounded the same for the last decade. When they released Monster, I saw an interview with Peter Buck and Mike Mills and they said they wanted to make a rock n'roll record with lots of overpowering guitars, which Monster was. I just didn't like it.

Two of my other favourite groups, U2 and the Indigo Girls have changed their sounds over the years, often for the better, but not always, but that doesn't mean that I think less of them as artists; I just don't care for some of their later material. In any event, I appreciate that REM wants to change their sound a little bit and do some things a little different (from an artistic point of view), but I just don't care for it, especially now that Bill Berry left the group. Yet I also understand why Bill quit the band; if I had an aneuryism that almost killed me, I'd probably change my life drastically, too.

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 1:59 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave

Two of my other favourite groups, U2 and the Indigo Girls have changed their sounds over the years, often for the better, but not always, but that doesn't mean that I think less of them as artists; I just don't care for some of their later material. In any event, I appreciate that REM wants to change their sound a little bit and do some things a little different (from an artistic point of view), but I just don't care for it, especially now that Bill Berry left the group. Yet I also understand why Bill quit the band; if I had an aneuryism that almost killed me, I'd probably change my life drastically, too.

U2's newer hit "Beautiful Day" is a great song. I think all the other new hits are awful. I think Beautiful Day is the only good song to come out from the new CD. And the song where Bono teams up with the Corrs, called "When the Stars Go Blue" UGH! Awful, awful stuff. But thats just my opinion.

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:00 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
Superman was on life's rich pageant. Is there a different version or another tune named Superman.

Did document have finest worksong on it. if so, document was not a bad album but it got played into the ground by the radio. Green was ok, I guess, but didn't it have that infernal 'stand' song on it.

Bah!! I meant Stand. It sucks getting old.....

**looks like I better drink more**

EDIT - Document had Finest Worksong. I also really like Disturbance at the Heron House. (That is, if I remember correctly)

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:06 pm

Originally posted by Tybaltus

U2's newer hit "Beautiful Day" is a great song. I think all the other new hits are awful. I think Beautiful Day is the only good song to come out from the new CD. And the song where Bono teams up with the Corrs, called "When the Stars Go Blue" UGH! Awful, awful stuff. But thats just my opinion.

I saw U2 back in October and enjoyed the show. They played a few of the new songs, and a lot of the old ones. (The showed would have been great if they would've played I Will Follow)

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:19 pm

Whether you like the new material or not, would you like for U2 to still have the same sound as The Unforgettable Fire or The Joshua Tree today? I wouldn't, just as I don't think I'd like REM if their latest music still had the same sound as Reckoning or Fables of the Reconstruction. If a band doesn't grow and doesn't put out new material, they cease to be artists and start cashing in on their past glory (ie-The Who, The Eagles, etc.).

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:23 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave
Whether you like the new material or not, would you like for U2 to still have the same sound as The Unforgettable Fire or The Joshua Tree today? I wouldn't, just as I don't think I'd like REM if their latest music still had the same sound as Reckoning or Fables of the Reconstruction. If a band doesn't grow and doesn't put out new material, they cease to be artists and start cashing in on their past glory (ie-The Who, The Eagles, etc.).

You are talking to someone who listens to 80's music 24-7, or as much as I can. So I think I would like for them to have maintained that style of music. While I like techno, industrial, and some other modernized music, I prefer the 80's to all of them.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:28 pm

@Tybaltus:
So why should U2 continue to make music that sounds like The Joshua Tree when we can listen to The Joshua Tree instead? For me, U2 jumped the shark with the Joshua Tree, not in the bad way, but by the simple fact that there is simply no way for them to turn out a product that is even comparable. I liked Actung Baby and Pop, but The Joshua Tree is U2's high water mark.

My point is that if a band doesn't make new music and artistically evolve, then there's no point for them to continue releasing albums.

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:32 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave
Whether you like the new material or not, would you like for U2 to still have the same sound as The Unforgettable Fire or The Joshua Tree today? I wouldn't, just as I don't think I'd like REM if their latest music still had the same sound as Reckoning or Fables of the Reconstruction. If a band doesn't grow and doesn't put out new material, they cease to be artists and start cashing in on their past glory (ie-The Who, The Eagles, etc.).

I am not opposed to a band churning out new material, and given the 2 bands, REM stayed somewhat closer to their old songs (in style) But U2 went a little too far out for me. I do like the new album. It has some similarities to the old stuff, but it is still different. I couldn't handle the mid 90's U2. *shudder*

An example of an artist who changes his music that I like is Bob Mould. I loved Husker Du, and Bob's first album was drastically different from anything Husker Du did. I did like the change, and he has continued to create new material.

I would not be jumping in line to see The Who, Eagles....however, if Loverboy were touring again...

Tybaltus · Post by **Tybaltus** » Tue Aug 06, 2002 2:32 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave
@Tybaltus:
So why should U2 continue to make music that sounds like The Joshua Tree when we can listen to The Joshua Tree instead? For me, U2 jumped the shark with the Joshua Tree, not in the bad way, but by the simple fact that there is simply no way for them to turn out a product that is even comparable. I liked Actung Baby and Pop, but The Joshua Tree is U2's high water mark.

My point is that if a band doesn't make new music and artistically evolve, then there's no point for them to continue releasing albums.

I think evolution ruins some bands. The music can have the same style of music and not evolve, but come up with a different beat with different lyrics.

EDIT @McBane You like Loverboy? I only like their big hit. I havent heard much from Loverboy.