Well Im big at geography, too. Though I love history, while I dont get my best grades in history (B- to an A- are my basic grades for history) I enjoy the subject, and IMO, thats all that counts.Originally posted by C Elegans
@Tyb: We'll see what HLD says, as far as I am concerned the place could be very famous without my knowing it. I am only good at natural geography, many things related to history, especially modern history, I'm totally lousy at. History was my absolutely worst subject at school, and I haven't made up for it since although I know I should *sigh*.
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Absolutely - I never enjoyed history, although I tried. That's probably the reason why I was never good at it...I got a good grade (the highest, actually) but I really had to push myself to get that - history and chemistry were the two subjects where I really had to work for my grade. If I read a book I enjoy, I might a textbook in anatomy, I remember it extremly well after just one read through. If I read a book about something I don't enjoy, I could as well have a hole in my head.Originally posted by Tybaltus
I enjoy the subject, and IMO, thats all that counts.
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I had to work for my grade in:
history
biology-which I still got a C- in
Shakespeare Lit-I didnt like that class much, but my dad wanted me to take it because he did teach a bit of it when he was a teacher
Trig
Physics
All the others, good grades just came to me.
history
biology-which I still got a C- in
Shakespeare Lit-I didnt like that class much, but my dad wanted me to take it because he did teach a bit of it when he was a teacher
Trig
Physics
All the others, good grades just came to me.
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We should be grateful we have the priviliege of getting good grades without a lot of hard work...I really admire people who work hard to get high grades rather than just float through it all as I did in school...
With the exception of history, it seems my favorite subjects are your worst ones
With the exception of history, it seems my favorite subjects are your worst ones
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C Elegans is close enough; the landmark I was looking for is Fisherman's Wharf, a large commercial shopping and restaurant complex on the bay. The Bush Man is a guy who has sits on a crate and jumps out at tourists from behind some shrubbery he has strung together looking for tips.
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Never heard of that HLD - if I'm bad at history, that's nothing compared to how bad I am at shopping centra! There are some famous ones in Europe too, and I don't remember the names of those either...not even the only one I liked, which is in Paris.
History is awful. I can never remember anything and I constantly have the feeling I ought to learn more but I still don't remember anything. If I live to retirement, I'm going to take evening classes for adults in history.
History is awful. I can never remember anything and I constantly have the feeling I ought to learn more but I still don't remember anything. If I live to retirement, I'm going to take evening classes for adults in history.
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Yup. OK. That makes sense. And that makes 2 people here that like history. I hope to make it my major. For my freshman year, Ill be undeclared, though.Originally posted by HighLordDave
C Elegans is close enough; the landmark I was looking for is Fisherman's Wharf, a large commercial shopping and restaurant complex on the bay. The Bush Man is a guy who has sits on a crate and jumps out at tourists from behind some shrubbery he has strung together looking for tips.
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Many people dislike history for the wrong reasons.Originally posted by C Elegans
History is awful. I can never remember anything and I constantly have the feeling I ought to learn more but I still don't remember anything. If I live to retirement, I'm going to take evening classes for adults in history.
[soapbox mode on]I don't know how history is taught in the rest of the world, but in the United States, it is a forgotten discipline. When Sputnik scared the bejezus out of Americans, there was a tremendous push to increase the populus's general understanding of math, science and reading. The social sciences were virtually forgotten.
History is often taught as the simple memorisation of a bunch of names and dates. Its "learning" is often through rote and as soon as a test is over, most students flush history lessons right out of their brains. It doesn't help that many people's history teachers's first name is "Coach".
When people think of history, they often think of all of the useless facts and scattered passages of old documents they had to commit to memory. However, this is one of the least important parts of history. History is about understanding the past and its causal relationship to other events leading up to the present.
Anyone can look up in a book that the Confederacy had 51 general officers at the battle of Gettysburg, and anyone can look up in a book that 17 of those officers were killed or wounded in the three days of the Civil War's bloodiest battle (or soon after). History isn't about knowing minor facts which may earn you $800 on Jeopardy!; history is understanding that those 51 officers were leading an ill-fated invasion of the Union states that, when combined with the surrender of the Confederate fortress of Vicksburg on 4 July, doomed the secession states's rebellion and ended the practise of slavery for good in the US.
History is also about re-interpreting traditional conceptions about the past based on new evidence and bringing us a greater understanding of the events and people who have shaped the world we live in today. It's understanding that Richard Nixon, while no saint, certainly was a better president than Kennedy, who in turn wasn't the angel everyone thought he was.
If you don't like history, chances are that you had a bad history teacher somewhere along the way.[/soapbox mode off]
@C Elegans:
Fisherman's Wharf certainly isn't all about shopping; it's also about eating. If you ever get to San Francisco ("The City by the Bay"), you absolutely must visit one of the many hole-in-the-wall restaurants that line the wharves. They have some of the freshest seafood you'll ever eat and the dungeness crab and sourdough bread are worth killing someone (preferably a complete stranger) over; in many of the places you can actually pick out your dinner and watch them cook it right out of the holding tanks.
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@HLD, I agree, I took an American Government course in college, and the majority of students were convinced the Constitution was this huge 3-4 hundred page book. Mind you, this was a college level course. I always thought that was a sad reflection on the emphasis that is put on our own history.
Most of the history teachers I have had were dry, boring people who basically just were on auto. I had one who I really liked though, he tried to bring things to life, in a way that students could understand. It is one things to give out dates of events carried out by faceless names, but he put a different view on things.
It was amazing how many high school students he instilled an interest in the subject by personalizing those people, By letting them know how many soldiers who fought in the Civil War for example were no older than we were at the time we were taking the class. He brought it into a perspective we could look at and examine, and encouraged us to consider how we would react in those same situations.
I think too often we think of historical figures as something more than human, when in reality, they were just ordinary people who were put into extraordinary situations in many instances. That made us feel that we weren't any different, and could have equal impact on todays scale
Most of the history teachers I have had were dry, boring people who basically just were on auto. I had one who I really liked though, he tried to bring things to life, in a way that students could understand. It is one things to give out dates of events carried out by faceless names, but he put a different view on things.
It was amazing how many high school students he instilled an interest in the subject by personalizing those people, By letting them know how many soldiers who fought in the Civil War for example were no older than we were at the time we were taking the class. He brought it into a perspective we could look at and examine, and encouraged us to consider how we would react in those same situations.
I think too often we think of historical figures as something more than human, when in reality, they were just ordinary people who were put into extraordinary situations in many instances. That made us feel that we weren't any different, and could have equal impact on todays scale
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@HLD: I love fresh seafood, so I'll remember Fisherman's Wharf if I ever get to San Francisco (which is rather likely that I do some day.)
The frustating thing though, is that it normally doesn't matter to me what teachers I've had previously, I can always enjoy reading about a subject in my own time, as a hobby. I had a horrible art teacher in high school, still I went on to art school because of personal interest. I also had a horrible English teacher, still I was interested in the English language and started reading English literature on my own - by age 16 or so I had read all Shakespears' works, with original spelling too. But it never worked that way with history. I tried to read historical biographies. I tried to read about specific periods and events that I found interesting. Still, I couldn't remember anything and I feel more attracted to chemical formulas that to history (I'm no good at chemistry either).
Any advice?
Bad? Are you kidding? In primary school, history was taught just as dry as you and BS describes. In secondary school, I had the bad luck of getting a teacher who was totally fixated with Swedish agriculture during the 19th century. We studied Swedish agriculture for 2 years, my poor class mated did it for 3 years. (I skipped one year of Secondary school/High scool).Originally posted by HighLordDave
If you don't like history, chances are that you had a bad history teacher somewhere along the way
The frustating thing though, is that it normally doesn't matter to me what teachers I've had previously, I can always enjoy reading about a subject in my own time, as a hobby. I had a horrible art teacher in high school, still I went on to art school because of personal interest. I also had a horrible English teacher, still I was interested in the English language and started reading English literature on my own - by age 16 or so I had read all Shakespears' works, with original spelling too. But it never worked that way with history. I tried to read historical biographies. I tried to read about specific periods and events that I found interesting. Still, I couldn't remember anything and I feel more attracted to chemical formulas that to history (I'm no good at chemistry either).
Any advice?
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Is there a particular era or geographic region that interests you? Or maybe you start closer to a field that you enjoy immensely. For instance, are there any famous scientists you would like to learn more about.Originally posted by C Elegans
I tried to read historical biographies. I tried to read about specific periods and events that I found interesting. Still, I couldn't remember anything and I feel more attracted to chemical formulas that to history (I'm no good at chemistry either).
Any advice?
Is a book like Great Feuds in Science something that would interest you?
Like many subjects, history is only something you'll get a lot out of if you enjoy it. Start with books that have more of a popular appeal than scholarly merit. It is one unfortunate part of our discipline that many historians believe that they must write for other historians and so their prose is excessively verbose and stuffy.
It is also unfortunate that many historians spend the bulk of their professional careers training to be researchers and not writers. To me, the difference between the two is intertwined. A great writer is worthless as a historian if he or she does shoddy research. Similarly, someone who uncovers the next great revelation in their field is an ineffective historian if they cannot coherently convey their thesis and evidence to an audience.
There are a number of good historians out there who write well; Stephen Ambrose is one of the most well-known, but I recommend a man I have studdied under, Jean Edward Smith who also taught at Princeton and the University of Toronto. His research concentration is American political and military history, so you may not find his work appealing, but Professor Smith believes that books should be scholarly in their foundation, but easily accessible to a general audience.
I also recommend Kenneth C. Davis who has written the Don't Know Much? series that is fun and easy to read.
The trick is to ease into history with baby steps. Start with general books that may not be the most in-depth or scholarly but get a feel for the subject and a feel for the people who are the "stars" in the field. After you read a book, look in the footnotes and after a while, you'll begin to see some names that appear over and over in citations. Go check these people out and see if their work is worth reading. If you get a chance, read primary source documents rather than a secondary source book or article. If you begin reading something and it sucks, put it down; you're reading for fun, so don't torture yourself by reading bad material.
I've found a good way to get into reading history is to watch it. If you have access to The History Channel International or any of the other subsidiary Discovery Channel networks (the BBC is also pretty good), watch shows about subjects that interest you. Like books, in certain fields, you'll start to see the same talking heads over and over. Often, they are professors or scholars generally well known in their field so they probably have a fairly accessible body of work, so check them out. While TV shows are no substitute for a good book (with reference notes), they're often a good introduction to subjects and people you may not be familiar with, just as a magazine article may pique your interest leading to you pursuing the subject through a journal.
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Thanks a lot HLD, I'll save your post and the links The "Great Feuds in science" sounds like nice leisure reading
As to no continue to spamming of Aqua's thread, here is another one:
Olek wanted to make friends with a snow leopard, so he set off to the mountains, but obviously being born with no sense of location, he got lost again.
1. Olek is in mountain region on the border to four different countries, one of which became an independant country quite recently.
2. The name of the mountain range means "The golden mountains", and they are indeed famous for their splendour.
3. You can get there by travelling with one of the world's most famous railways.
EDIT: I said three different countries first, I forgot one!
As to no continue to spamming of Aqua's thread, here is another one:
Olek wanted to make friends with a snow leopard, so he set off to the mountains, but obviously being born with no sense of location, he got lost again.
1. Olek is in mountain region on the border to four different countries, one of which became an independant country quite recently.
2. The name of the mountain range means "The golden mountains", and they are indeed famous for their splendour.
3. You can get there by travelling with one of the world's most famous railways.
EDIT: I said three different countries first, I forgot one!
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@CE-In spite of only studying it for one year (under a brilliant history teacher though, which made all the difference) I have quite a fondness for history. I don't study it seriously, but so far I've found the history of Japan and China to be quite interesting.
I'd say try looking at things from whatever angle interests you the most (in my case the political history). It's worked for me.
I'd say try looking at things from whatever angle interests you the most (in my case the political history). It's worked for me.
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@Ode: I've tried to look at it by history of art and history of ideas...that's why I know anything at all about history! But like HLD suggests, looking at history through my greatest passion - science, might turn out better
@Tybaltus: No, but your thoughts go in the right direction! Ural does not mean golden - in fact I am not sure what it means.
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HLD is close enough, Olek is in the Altai (or Altay) mountains, a range that is on the border of China, Kazakstan, Mongolia and Russia.
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Gumbo is lost again
1)Gumbo is at a landmark in North America
2) Gumbo is in a place that was man-made but has been very convenient for quicker voyages from the Atlantic to reach the Pacific and vice versa
That should make it obvious enough.....
1)Gumbo is at a landmark in North America
2) Gumbo is in a place that was man-made but has been very convenient for quicker voyages from the Atlantic to reach the Pacific and vice versa
That should make it obvious enough.....
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