Quite Simply, He is The Perfect Tank(tm)

ThePerfectTank · Post by **ThePerfectTank** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:10 am

I have cultivated what I believe is..
The Perfect Tank(tm).

First, I set the ability scores that were easily increased by magic items to the required minimum. ( Dexterity and Strength ) and maxed out the Const, Int and Wisdom. ( 18/18/18 )

Paladin ( Undead Hunter Hit )
** Immune to Hold and Energy Drain

Carsomyr +5
This goes without saying.. 50% Resistance to magic!

Red Dragon Scale
One of the best "non magic" armour, good fire/acid/etc protection.

Vahailar's Helm
Free Simulacrum for your tank? Priceless.

Cloak of Mirroring
Any niave Mage throwing damage spells will be rudely awaken... Come on baby, cast Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting on me!

Gauntlet's of Dexterity
Dex of 18.. 'nuff said

Girdle of Frost Giant Strength
And you wonder why I didn't worry about
the natural Strength score?

Boost of Haste
Get in quick, decimate the opponent

TWO, count em, TWO Rings of Gaxx.
Okay, so I had to hire a theif...

These are two magic-protection+2 rings that allow you to wear both.. with doublelapping Magic resistance, fire, acid etc.

Amulet of Spell Warding
+2 vs spells.

The result?

The Perfect Tank(tm) is virtually immune to any magic. Also, an offensive damage spells cast against them are reflected back to the caster. When the The Perfect Tank(tm)walks into a Den of Stinking Evil Beholders.. they fall over themselves trying to kill themselves!

The Perfect Tank(tm) is an awesome melee combatant.. Very high hitpoints.. awesome THACO.. awesome damage to per hit.. and +10 AC.

The only down side is a lack of missile weapons.. but who cares baby? That's what the Boots of Haste is for!

About the only thing I can think of improving is if Carsomyr was a Bastard sword, so you could double-weild Crom Faeyr!

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:12 am

Originally posted by ThePerfectTank:
TWO, count em, TWO Rings of Gaxx.
Okay, so I had to hire a theif...

They call such a thing cheating...

Manveru · Post by **Manveru** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:15 am

But, But, .....

...

How are you going to obtain all these items with ?tank? with minimal str and dex ?

ThePerfectTank · Post by **ThePerfectTank** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:19 am

Originally posted by The_Pope:
They call such a thing cheating...

Using a theif to steal is "cheating"?

Hardly.. that is what theives *DO*.. they steal. They pickpocket, pick locks, disarm/set traps etc.

Cheating would be to use a console summon command.. or using a patch/hack.. or editing your desc..

But using a theif to steal is never "cheating". That's his job.. and that is fully allowable within the rules of BG2!

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:19 am

Haha! After fighting my way through the Asylum, I'll kill those 5 Demon Knights with my 9 STR, on my own.

Oh, or I'll do the quest of the Unseeing Eye with 3 DEX. What kind of AC would that be?

MOOHAHAHA!!

Hey, hey, check out my fighter/mage/thief/cleric with 18 STR/DEX/CON/INT/WIS/CHA, it's the perfect tank/spellcaster/rogue/healer!

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:21 am

Originally posted by ThePerfectTank:
Using a theif to steal is "cheating"?

Hardly.. that is what theives *DO*.. they steal. They pickpocket, pick locks, disarm/set traps etc.

Cheating would be to use a console summon command.. or using a patch/hack.. or editing your desc..

But using a theif to steal is never "cheating". That's his job.. and that is fully allowable within the rules of BG2!

You don't get it. This tactic (pickpocketing Kangaxx before he dies) is considered cheese: taking abuse of bugs. Cheese is considered cheating.

Does anyone else smell cheddar in here?
MOOHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

ThePerfectTank · Post by **ThePerfectTank** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:22 am

Originally posted by Manveru:
But, But, ..... ...

How are you going to obtain all these items with ?tank? with minimal str and dex ?

I didn't claim to have gone solo thru the whole thing, eh?

Sure, your character is weaker at the beginning.. but by shifting them to ones you can't improve easily.. you get a much higher, overall level at the end. You sacrifice short term for the long term. And for his sacrifice.. his God rewards him with the gifts that offset his weakness.

Oh sure.. if that gives you a problem, you could sit there rerolling for a few hours till you get the perfect 18's..

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 8:18 am

With respect, why should we care that you created a powerful character in a game?

I mean, what did it require? At best, tenacity in rerolling, and gathering the items needed over a period of days--or in your case, the lesser road of getting all the hints others have posted, then cheesing your way into good stats and items.

So what? I mean, a few hours effort, if that, nearly all of it based on the work of others, in any case. If we were really looking to compare achievements, I suppose we'd all see who could learn a new language quickest, or write a novel--well, something that to boast about. Anybody who plays BG2 for a while will have a powerful character.

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:00 am

Besides, with all the spells they have, i believe that Berzerker/cleric is the best tank. Ok, spellcasting takes time and all that, but with draw upon holy might(the best level 2 spell, you can have plenty) and enrage you have 25 dex, you get bonus from enrage, and this class can wear the mighty amulet of power

RiPPeR · Post by **RiPPeR** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:13 am

what is a tank for you?(i dont understand english very well cause its not the language we speak here)i think it is a character very strong, so the best tank i ever played is a kensai/mage and monk, i just cannot be killed with these two characters
i think stalker/clerig would be a good choice

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 12:47 pm

it is riper it is

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My soul may be warped by evil;My conscious by bribe, but the true path has never vanished for i have Just heart and kind way.
Call me weird one, call me Bucket head just make sure its not insulting

Craig , known in the relms as Genilia, proud member of The brotherhood of shadows.

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 1:07 pm

A tank is a person who can stand in the frontline, taking damage, not necesarily giving damage

RiPPeR · Post by **RiPPeR** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 1:50 pm

humm
my socerer solo was on level 18 when i fighted with firkragg and i choosed shapechange as the first level 9 spell
with that regeneration of the greater wolfwere i was just killed after 15 min with firkragg attacking me without stop, then he gave me a mega-fireblast after aa couple of damage with meelee and i died

Nick_Dude · Post by **Nick_Dude** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 4:35 pm

I have to agree with ThePerfectTank that pickpocketing is not cheating. It is just crapy AI. And by the way, does Kevin Dorner have a patch for that?

[This message has been edited by Nick_Dude (edited 04-06-2001).]

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 4:48 pm

Actually, getting 2 of an unique item seems like a bug to me

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 6:18 pm

The best tank is a swashbuckler dualed to fighter at level 10.

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Proud member of the Brotherhood of the woods.

ThePerfectTank · Post by **ThePerfectTank** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 11:16 am

Originally posted by Nick_Dude:
I have to agree with ThePerfectTank that pickpocketing is not cheating. It is just crapy AI. And by the way, does Kevin Dorner have a patch for that?

[This message has been edited by Nick_Dude (edited 04-06-2001).]

You know what is "cheesy cheating"? Playing a ROLE playing game with a theif and NOT theiving? That's not playing "In the spirit" of the rules and the game!

If you feel immoral about stealing with a computer character.. then why have a theif in your party?

And why is it a bug that you can pick pocket someone before you talk to them? I always try to pick pocket someone before I talk to them! It actually makes sense that a theif would pickpocket someone before talking to them..

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 11:28 am

Originally posted by ThePerfectTank:
And why is it a bug that you can pick pocket someone before you talk to them? I always try to pick pocket someone before I talk to them! It actually makes sense that a theif would pickpocket someone before talking to them..

Because Kangaxx isn't supposed to have 2 Rings of Gaxx. If you check the Infinity Explorer, you'll see this.
I'll explain you what happens in the fight:

Kangaxx the Lich appears. He has 1 Ring of Gaxx. You pickpocket it from him. He loses the ring.
When he dies, the game generates another creature, Kangaxx the Demi-Lich. In the story, this is supposed to be the same character, but that's hard/impossible to program.
Because the game doesn't know you pickpocketed the Lich-form, and because the Demi-Lich-form is supposed to be the same character, it also carries the Ring of Gaxx.
If you now kill Kangaxx the Demi-Lich, he'll drop that ring.

I don't mind you pickpocketing Kangaxx - that's perfectly legal - I mind you picking up that ring the Demi-Lich drops. That's abusing a bug the designers have missed.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:09 pm

by The_Pope...I don't mind you pickpocketing Kangaxx - that's perfectly legal - I mind you picking up that ring the Demi-Lich drops. That's abusing a bug the designers have missed.

LMAO...the next time I play thru BG2 I will be sure to give you a call so you can come over and monitor my game. This way you will not mind how I play MY GAME. I'm sorry I don't follow YOUR rules.

Now lets put this in a different form...

EDITED BY WEASEL......... by The_Pope...I don't mind you pickpocketing Kangaxx - that's perfectly legal - IMHO picking up that ring the Demi-Lich drops is abusing a bug the designers have missed.

Now I believe this is stated better.

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:39 pm

@Weasel: NO! I still mind it if people abuse bugs. Thank you.

Where's this world going to if a dude can't post anything right nowadays?