Theif/Mage help.

Obike Fixx · Post by **Obike Fixx** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 8:44 am

IF you are a theif/mage you can use use any item and wear Valygars armour (Without losing your spell casting abilty!)

Zelgadis · Post by **Zelgadis** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 4:42 pm

I don't think so, if you want to use his armor i think you have to match your str and dex with his.

Alson · Post by **Alson** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 4:46 pm

Originally posted by Zelgadis
I don't think so, if you want to use his armor i think you have to match your str and dex with his.

That's not true - the almighty Use Any Item ignores ALL resrictions - race, class, alignment, weight and ability scores.
To answer the original question, yes, he will be able to wear it - i'm just not sure he'll be able to cast spells through it. IIRC, in a patched game, Valy's armor disables casting.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 11:13 pm

Originally posted by Alson

That's not true - the almighty Use Any Item ignores ALL resrictions - race, class, alignment, weight and ability scores.
To answer the original question, yes, he will be able to wear it - i'm just not sure he'll be able to cast spells through it. IIRC, in a patched game, Valy's armor disables casting.

About wearing Valygar's armor with UAI - it actually depends on what version you have - in my original, unpatched version of ToB, my bard/thief has to boost WIS stat to equip it (easy to do with potions of Insight). Yes, you can cast mage spells in Valygar's armor - yet another programming oversight.

Obike Fixx · Post by **Obike Fixx** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 7:54 am

Originally posted by Alson

That's not true - the almighty Use Any Item ignores ALL resrictions - race, class, alignment, weight and ability scores.
To answer the original question, yes, he will be able to wear it - i'm just not sure he'll be able to cast spells through it. IIRC, in a patched game, Valy's armor disables casting.

I have a patched version, It works fine in my game.

gnomethingy · Post by **gnomethingy** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 8:03 am

Wouldnt human flesh be better? if you have uai?

20% mr as opose to 10% mdr?

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 8:52 am

Originally posted by gnomethingy
Wouldnt human flesh be better? if you have uai?

20% mr as opose to 10% mdr?

Nah, I don't think so - human flesh armor does disable mage spells, plus Valygar's armor has a bit better AC and the all-important immunity to charm spells, as well as 25% resisitance to fire, acid and magic.

gnomethingy · Post by **gnomethingy** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:24 am

Dont me me, im an idiot....

Btw... How many people use wonderous gloves for there mage / theif ?

is there anyhthing better you could be using?

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 12:00 pm

I give the Wondrous Gloves to my bards and multi-class thief-mages - I like the spell bonuses, plus the THACO and AC bonus is good.

gnomethingy · Post by **gnomethingy** » Thu Aug 29, 2002 7:04 am

I tried the pala braces and Pale blue louny once, trying to get my hp up a bit,

Worked ok... But Tzu tan braces would be better mehtinks (Not that far along yet)

Querschen · Post by **Querschen** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 1:53 pm

I found the wondrous gloves only very useful on Haerdalis. Once you receive improved bard song, it really is the best thing to do with your bard during battle (at least for me). I only used his spells for minor sequencers stakced with mag missiles and acid arrows. and the all important breach/pierce magix. The gloves boost up his low level spells and with a ring of acuity he can do some nice work for you before he goes into his ballads