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Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 8:00 am

Firtha Kerdos (Hedron's mother)? Who is she really? My pally just had an interesting conversation with her during which she mentions a brambled maze and starts talking like a certain character in Torment.

Lannister · Post by **Lannister** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:22 am

She's one of the many forms of Ravel, just like Mebbeth, Marta and that tiefling in the Mortuary. The Seer of Gloomfrost in Heart of Winter was also Ravel.

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:26 am

Sojourner...asking for help. The worlds upside down.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 10:37 pm

Not asking for help - just wanted to see if anyone else came to the same conclusion.

I love these BI references!

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:54 am

I underestimated you S...apologies! World back to normal.

cjdevito · Post by **cjdevito** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:11 am

Actually, keep your eyes peeled for another one....

Veira, the ghost in Targos, tells you that she'll see you again a long time from now in a faraway place. She never makes another appearance in IWD2.... I'm betting Lionheart.

Mathurin · Post by **Mathurin** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:00 pm

Or perhaps the obvious choice was the correct one and she was simply referring to seeing you after your death?

cjdevito · Post by **cjdevito** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:02 pm

I doubt it. The connotations of her dialogue seem to indicate otherwise.

Eriks · Post by **Eriks** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:00 pm

I don't think Lionheart is related to the D&D world in any way so I doubt that is what she is talking about.

cjdevito · Post by **cjdevito** » Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:06 pm

No, Lionheart isn't related to D&D. It does, however, share the same publisher, developer and several members of the design team.

Eriks · Post by **Eriks** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:58 am

I know that but it wouldn't make sense IMO

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:31 am

Originally posted by Eriks
I know that but it wouldn't make sense IMO

It doesn't have to make a lot of sense, but they may do it for either its crossover value or just as an in-joke for the developers.

At the end of the Test of the Twins, Tasslehoff Burrfoot mentions something about using the time travel device to go to a city called Merilon, which doesn't appear in any D&D book; it's a reference to the next series Hickman & Weis wrote, The Darksword Trilogy.

In the comic book The Transformers, which was originally a 4 issue limited series, Spider-Man makes an appearance (in the Venom outfit). When I saw this, I gave Marvel the big "WTF?" second glance because there's no obvious crossover there.

cjdevito · Post by **cjdevito** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:34 am

Black Isle has a long history of such cross-genre appearances. Some off the top of my head...

The JeffK cyclops in IWD1. The Star Trek 'Guardian of Forever' in Fallout2. Come to think of it, Buck Rogers, Godzilla and half a dozen other non-franchise personages were in FO2.

Torment's sensory stones contained recordings from several fictitious fantasy characters that were in no way related to D&D.