the transmogrification thread.....

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:25 am

some of us like to edit the npcs we get in bg or with a mod to see if we cant extend their capabilities and abilites, while keeping the cool npc interactions that keep it interesting....this is essentially what the multiplayer player misses out on, just to get the much better character creation control.....

and you all know me as creator of bun bun, and as fable pointed out to me a while back, i am like the hodrod mechanic, i get my jollies out of editing the characters beyond any rational belief...

aerie: oh no, bun bun, no...please dont throw me into the transmogrifier!!!! i like being who i am, pls dont change me...

bun bun: mmmmwwwwahhhhhhhhh!!!!

aerie: eek!!!!

zap, boom...my most common edit for aerie is to make her a 0/0 level conjuror cleric, or mage/cleric of lathander...editing npcs, you should typically roll the level back down to 0, to get all the special abilites the kit adds....

minsc is archer, of course....

mazzy usually gets to be a undead hunter...

keldy, is ok as chavalier, but most times i leave him alone as inquisitor...

viccy, cleric of talos...stormshield is such a nice spell...

jahiera used to be a totemic druid fighter, but with new ease of use shapeshifting balancing module, she would be great as shapeshifter fighter....

edwin...change to sorc, after erasing all his spells, sk to sorc level 0....

korgy is fine as berserker....

sola, i usually change him into kensai fighter, to enhance his combat abilites...

imoen, i am fond of thief wildmage...its fun....

saverok, if i take him next game might make him a monk, as i have never had one....make him wear robes..."oh the indignity of it all"

jan makes a good assassin mage...

Jaesha · Post by **Jaesha** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 1:37 am

Bunnies, bunnies, it could be bunnies!
Puny little ones!
Err....

I´d like Jan better as a bounty hunter, set traps +++ due to the fact that he is a little illousionist, which rpg-wise would make the best BH (considering his size), hiding, deceiving, setting traps all over.

I like to think of Sarevok as a wiz slayer, or maybe anti-paladin (if you have that kit)...

Edwin is more like a necromancer, if only his robe colors changed.

Oh, and let Valygal remain stalker! (he is stalking Anoweenie, after all!

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UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 1:44 am

so jan would be a bounty hunter mage??

is ok for lower levels, when his specialty traps are kinda cool, but at higher levels all the bounty hunter traps are rendered obsolete by spike traps...

savvy would make a great wizslayer, dual to thief...giggle....

now anti pally, that would indeed be a great kit for savvy....

i never get valygal in party, i mean i am a frigging sorc after all...too much of a downer, he is..

Jaesha · Post by **Jaesha** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 1:49 am

When you get UAI as thief, val´s armor is pretty good, though, you just have to have 17 or 18 in dex to wear it.

I really like the idea of viccy as a talos cleric. She IS, after all!
Love the cleric lvl. 25 holy symbols.

Man, I can´t wait to get my hands on IWD2 this friday!
Someone make dialoguing (sp?) mod-party-npc´s for it sometime!
You got the game, user?

JackOfClubs · Post by **JackOfClubs** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 4:25 pm

I usually restrict myself to stripping Imoen of her Mageness and making her a single-class thief, since she was with me the whole time and I never gave her permission to dual class. I have played her as a Bounty Hunter (in the sense that she is hunting down Bodhi & Irenicus) or Assassin (because Irenicus' attempt to awaken her murderous nature has backfired on him).

The problem with making Viconia a priestess of Talos is that she is always calling on Shar. Same would be true of making Aerie a priestess of Lathander, since she calls upon Berevar.

But I sense the roll-playing aspect is not a prime motivation here...

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 7:54 pm

@ Jack, you expect the creator of the infamous Bun Bun to care at all about the personnas of characters? HAHAH

Joining in though, I always picture Valygar as a wizardslayer, and anomen as an Actual Priest of Helm/Fighter. Maybe even Inqusitor/Helm

Jaheria I see and an Avenger/Fighter

Minsc, How can you make that guy an archer, hes just a plain ranger, if anything, A beastmaster/Beserker.

Jan, Illusionist Bounty hunter. Assasin doesnt suit his char.

Imoen I agree with, Assasin Mage makes sense in her revenge against Irenicus.

Edwin is fine as a conjurer, no changes needed, Keldon is also fine, Mazzy I see as cavalier or Undead hunter.

Korgan, beserker straight up. Saravok is clearly an anti paladin. Makes perfect sense.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 10:44 pm

yep, savvy is absolutely a anti pally....

hmmmm....maybe add that component of valen???

imoen, sweet version, thief wildmage dual....

imoen, bitter, but still nice version, assassin mage...

or jan as a wildmage thief multi sure makes a lot of sense...

jahiera makes more sense as avenger fighter, but i really like the new ease of use mod shapeshifter enhancers.. want to try it out...

btw,,,,wes's new shapeshifter druid enhancers make druid fighters even more deadlyer than ever...you get kai!!! he added righteous magic to druid tables, and that spell is kai, long duration...

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 12:43 pm

Er, who are the victims upon whom Immie is supposed to gain practice
in the Murderer's Art?
Maybe I should remember you all guys that Immie is Good

Koveras · Post by **Koveras** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 3:39 pm

She "learns" from Irenicus...

JackOfClubs · Post by **JackOfClubs** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 3:57 pm

Sahuagin, drow, mind-flayers, kuo-toa... plenty of evil types out there that need exterminating. Assassins are not necessarily murderers, just killers. (Think of the plot to assassinate Hitler.)

However, I agree with you in spirit, which is why I usually go for Bounty Hunter.

@Obsidian: Jaheira an Avenger? Isn't Faldorn more the Avenger type, which is part of the reason they don't get along? And she basically gets kicked out of the Harpers because she won't go along with their radicalism. I see her more of a Druid/Kensai.

And Minsc already has Berserker abilities so no reason to dual-class him. However, I agree that he shouldn't be Archer -- his strength is too good. Maybe BeastMaster but Boo might get jealous... edt: Bad Spelling

Pipster · Post by **Pipster** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:50 pm

Clerics of Baervar and Shar

Hey hey, if Aerie and Viconia are both always calling on the dieties of Baervar and Shar, why not make them clerics of these two gods and SK them a few special abilities to suit? Aerie could be given a few animal summons or even the amazing summon squirrel spell, and Viconia could be given something along the lines of Unholy Smite? Just a thought to enrich your roleplaying lives.

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 6:34 am

If you use a poisoned weapon on an enemy you want him dead,
even when he isn't a threath anymore.
evilish imho

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 3:08 pm

@littiz, you might just want to wound to become infected...

@Jack Makes sense, but shes kinda Vengeful at times.

@User. "make druid fighters even more deadlyer than ever..."
What the frick? I guess the "Sluggy Zone" Doesn't speak english...

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:31 pm

obi, download and read the read me for the new ease of use mod,,,,the shapeshifter balancing component,

gives druids two spells, unlike the standard druid spell table, he adds

greater werebears, about as strong and tough as aeriel servents, and a very good summon.

he adds righteous magic to the druid spell table, so a druid fighter can cast righteous magic, hit g whirlwind and do max damage with a staff or dual scimitars...righteous magic, is kai, all hits do max damage, and with jahiera as druid fighter, instead of sucky plain druid, she has the thaco bonuses to take advantage of the bonuses righteous magic allows a druid to have...

i always liked the druid fighter multi, like jahiera, with the new spells wes added to druids, she becomes even more effective..