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Oh, it's possible to take on Ilyich without separating them, or was, they got a pretty much flawless patrolling script in the latest version, which makes the fight a *tad* harder. Using Hit'n'Run'n'Hide attacks with Yoshimo, or any other thief for that matter, is still a quite viable tactic though and one that I've used twice to beat the latest version.

I've killed them without the Divide & Conquer tactic once or twice on Insane though. I did of course take out the demon and golem before engaging, but I don't really consider them to be part of the team, since Ilyich and his crew doesn't react to anything they do.

Did this with Imp Ilyich v10 with a PC Ranger/Cleric, Minsc, Imoen and Yoshimo, also without resting ;)

I wrote a more thorough report about it on Ironworks, but here's the Ilyich encounter part:

No big preparations could really be done, Yoshi planted a trap outside the the visual range of Ilyich's party. Minsc used the other Oil of speed and we then both removed our armors and hid in shadows. Imoen got a couple of Kobolds out of her Monster summoning spell to serve as cannon fodder.

Minsc and I moved in behind the enemy party, Zhivago began casting True Sight, but Yoshi tossed a trap from a safe distance right smack into their party, this one slowed Karamazov and Zhivago. Minsc and I still remained silent while Rasputin and Ilyich charged towards the lone Kobold I had placed in front of the other trap, which also absorbed Ilyich's annoying Classic Blunder ability. The instant they moved away, we revealed ourselves and began hacking away like mad at Karamazov. She was still quite deadly, even when slowed and within melee range. Ilyich and Rasputin both got hurt by the other special trap, and now Ilyich was also slowed. Imoen used her first Paralyze wand on Rasputin - and then he was history.

Minsc and I had nearly finished off Karamazov, though she had almost finished me off as well. We had been hacking away constantly for more than two rounds, only stopping once to disrupt Zhivago's Deva casting. Minsc had even used his Berserk ability just to get that extra edge we would certainly need. She finally died, and the instant she did we began working on Zhivago. I now lost control of Minsc due to the Berserker rage, and he had been reduced to 15% Health after attracting Karamazov's attention for a few seconds before she was killed.

Ilyich had now killed the Ogrillon that I also received with the Monster summon casting, which was the last creature I had to stall him with, and now he charged towards Minsc, albeit very slowly Never the less, Minsc targetted the right foe, and as long as Ilyich, who now had regained his normal speed, didn't see what a sitting duck Minsc was, I'd be alright. Imoen tried to Paralyze Ilyich, but he made his save. I had been reluctant to get Imoen or Yoshi near anything hostile due to their very fragile nature, but now I deemed it safe for them to begin hacking away at the disabled Rasputin, who wouldn't remain that way for a very long time unless I finished him off soon.

Zhivago was almost dead, a hasted dual-wielder and a furious and hasted Minsc didn't take that long to chop up anything, even at this point of the game. He died just as Ilyich took his first swing at me. He was barely injured, but that changed soon after Imoen cast MM and Minsc and I had aimed a few swings in his direction. I had to move away though, since he was hurting me at a far more devastating rate than we were hurting him. Which caused him to target the still uncontrollable and badly injured Minsc. Well that's it for him I thought, but no, Ilyich missed him on the first swing, and before he had the chance to swing again, an extremely lucky Critical strike from Minsc, a Lightning Bolt from Imoen, a failed backstab from Yoshi, and two quick swings from my own two war hammers, had knocked him out permanently. Rasputin was still alive, but in his disabled state we quickly killed the last remaining member of Ilyich's crew.
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Wonderful. :D

In my case, Minsc didn't survive the first encounter which I played without cheese. He got hacked by the evil planetar big time. The second time round, I equipped him with arrows which put some distance between him and the enemies. Come to think of it, the Ilyich gang always seem to be faster than my group as if they have speed of boots on. Or is it just me?

Please pm me the Ironworks link if you have it. Thx!
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@Rataxes

Wonderful. :D

In my case, Minsc didn't survive the first encounter which I played without cheese. He got hacked by the evil planetar big time. The second time round, I equipped him with arrows which put some distance between him and the enemies. Come to think of it, the Ilyich gang always seem to be faster than my group as if they have speed of boots on. Or is it just me?

Please pm me the Ironworks link if you have it. Thx!


None of them are hasted, though Ilyich is a barbarian and moves at +2, while Rasputin is a Monk and thus also gets a movement bonus :)

The Deva can cause huge problems if one actually allows Zhivago to summon it. I managed to disrupt the casting though(sometimes it's annoyingly enough forcecast, I know), which saved the day. There are ways of dealing with it though. It's quite slow so you can elect one character to play Cat and Mouse with it till it unsummons, and believe it or not, but it can be held! - If you can get through it's MR and Saving throws that is.

I thought I posted the link the original message, don't know what happened to it :confused: Here it is anyway: Imp Ilyich on insane without rests
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None of them is hasted, though Ilyich is a barbarian and moves at +2, while Rasputin is a Monk and thus also gets a movement bonus


It's times like these that make me wish I have Time Stop in the Dungeon.

Moderators sometimes remove external links in threads, that's why I ask you to pm me. Thx. :)
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Originally posted by Baldursgate Fan
It's times like these that make me wish I have Time Stop in the Dungeon.

Moderators sometimes remove external links in threads, that's why I ask you to pm me. Thx. :)

Oh yes ;) But you know, it may not be possible to have Time Stop, but it actually is possible to use lvl 8 spells on them :)

Would posting that link violate this line you think?
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I didn't think it would, thought it almost could be classified as that other exception :)
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Gosh, this is really a fine line, need to ask Fable about this to clarify the matter.

Your account of the battle is good stuff, maybe you can ask for it to be included on GameBanshee.

Edit: Or play it safe, put the link in your sig.
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There, shouldn't be the cause of any problems now I think :)
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Well, there's a ton of strategies and mod-switching etc. that you can do to beat the improved Ilyich mod, but I found the easiest. I was getting destoyed by shadow thieves and rune assassins so I ran the tactics installer again to try and uninstall that mod. The installer kind of tweaked out on me, or actually I just kept pressing (n) no change after uninstalling the Ilyich mod and instead of exiting after the last, it seemed to reinstall them all over again. I said "oh well" and went back to my game to see if the improved creatures had been replaced. The answer is no, but doing that screwed up the AI scripts so that all the enemies that were modified didn't move or attack (except the rune assassins and S-thieves.) So I just went in and mowed them all down while they just stood there. Very cheesy and unscrupulous I know, but I still got the XP :D Besides, I didn't feel like reloading a million times just to get out of the first dungeon. I won't do it again, I promise. ;)
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