Famous Quotables against war.

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:34 pm

@RandomThug: man, like 99.99% of humanity falls somewhere between Gruntboy and fable!

LOL! Plus, don't blame the man - it ain't the school system's job to tell you what to think of war. It is their job to ensure that you have the tools for understanding both Gruntboy and fable - which, I think, you do.

Anyway, just so I ain't spamming, I'll say this: you can't have a pro-war quote. (Like Uncle Grunt sez.) It's just not possible to come off sounding intelligent and civilized while calling for the carnage entailed in war. The closest to a rational endorsement of war I have found is:

“War, if reason prevails, is waged to obtain a better peace than that which existed prior to the hostilities.” General Bela K. Kiraly

I believe thatNot that that isn't a really slippery quote, too. A "better" peace? Better by whose standard?

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 6:28 pm

Originally posted by Lazarus
@RandomThug: man, like 99.99% of humanity falls somewhere between Gruntboy and fable!

I'm not sure if this is meant as an insult at Grunt, but he's a damn smart guy who truly knows a great deal about war. We don't share the same views on it, but I respect him and his knowledge base.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 6:56 pm

LMAO!

I take it as a compliment - itellectual foes, fable!

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:36 pm

Originally posted by Gruntboy
LMAO!

I take it as a compliment - itellectual foes, fable!

I prefer to think of us as potential collaborators in the effort to take over the world.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:29 am

"You cannot choose your battlefield, God does that for you; but you can plant a standard where a standard never flew." - Stephen Crane, "The Colors"

"There never was a time when, in my opinion, some way could not be found to prevent the drawing of the sword" - U.S. Grant

"I knew wherever I was that you thought of me, and if I got in a tight place you would come - if alive" - W.T. Sherman to U.S. Grant

"If we are marked to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live.
The fewer men, the greater share of honour."
- Henry V, Act IV, Scene 3

"Dulce bellum inexpertis" - Erasmus

"War is fear cloaked in courage" - W.C Westmoreland

"Nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won." - The Duke of Wellington

"Those who do not do battle for their country do not know with what ease they accept their citizenship in America." - Dean Brelis, "The face of South Vietnam"

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother.
- Henry V, Act IV, Scene 3

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:59 am

@ Grunty

What does the Erasmus one translate into?

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 8:36 am

War is delightful to those who have no experience of it.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 8:39 am

Thanks Grunty

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 5:10 pm

Originally posted by fable
I'm not sure if this is meant as an insult at Grunt, but he's a damn smart guy who truly knows a great deal about war. We don't share the same views on it, but I respect him and his knowledge base.

It most certainly was not an insult directed at Gruntboy ... any more than it was an insult directed at you. It was in no way a comment on "smarts" at all, but rather on respective worldviews, or, at the very least, on two very different views on the subject of war. I think Gruntboy understood that.

Another quote: “Nothing serious ever gets accomplished in this world unless someone is willing to die for it.” Charles Bates

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 6:21 pm

Originally posted by Lazarus
It most certainly was not an insult directed at Gruntboy ... any more than it was an insult directed at you. It was in no way a comment on "smarts" at all, but rather on respective worldviews, or, at the very least, on two very different views on the subject of war. I think Gruntboy understood that.

Whether he did or not, I'm probably so opaque that I didn't find your comments clear. Which is why I wondered out loud.

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:21 am

"Never have so few done so much with so little for so many."

Winston Churchill on the RAF's victory in the Battle of Britain, where tragic losses of both German and British air forces became a true reflection of the loss of warfare.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:20 am

I've got one, but it uses a word not accepted in GB. Could I post it bleeped (*******) out?

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:36 am

Come now Laz... just leave good old Fable be. Its his age that makes him a little looney. All these "Foriegn" newspapers he reads... his "facts" and "proof" are all just the backs of Juice drinks in his fridge. He just reads about Orange Juice and in his mind he plays out a little war...

He is happy with being senile, we should be proud.

*cackles*

"Man is an animal, a beast who hides his need for carnage with visions of delusion. Man who sets rules to make him better than the beast, but in reality when those rules are broke it is man who becomes the worst beast of all" - Me heh.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:48 am

Originally posted by RandomThug
Come now Laz... just leave good old Fable be. Its his age that makes him a little looney. All these "Foriegn" newspapers he reads... his "facts" and "proof" are all just the backs of Juice drinks in his fridge. He just reads about Orange Juice and in his mind he plays out a little war...

He is happy with being senile, we should be proud.

*cackles*

Been taking deep breaths while building your model airplanes again, haven't you, @Random Thug?

"War is not the most favorable moment for divesting the monarchy of power. On the contrary, it is the moment when the energy of a single hand shows itself in the most seducing form." -Thomas Jefferson, letter, 1788

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:52 am

"Do you want to partition Iraq or what do you want exactly?
Honestly, do you have your eyes on Iraq's oil?

Iraq, too, after Afghanistan? Nobody knows tomorrow, whose turn will come next.

I wish just once a summit would succeed for us."

"The Attack on Iraq"
Shaaban Abdel-Rahim's latest number one hit in the arab world.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:56 am

Originally posted by InfiniteNature

Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief ... for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen. (Mark Twain [1835-1910], U.S. author. The aged stranger, claiming to be God's messenger verbalising a congregation's unspoken prayer, in 'The War Prayer' [dictated 1905; published in Complete Essays of Mark Twain, ed. by Charles

I love Mark Twain

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:22 am

Well, I guess either no one saw, or no one knows the answer to my first post, so I'll go out on a limb and hope for mercy.

"Fighting for Peace is like ******* for verginity"

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:04 pm

Aw cr*p! Heute Afghanistan, Morgen die welte Tom?! I hope you don't believe that song's lyrics? You referenced the nazis, you lose.

And Morlock, I f***ing hate that quote. Its a purile, right on way of making kids snicker and an excuse for walking around with a (gosh, heavens no!) rude word on a billboard. Why is it like f***ing for virginity? What is the analogy? I'm not getting at you, I just wish that people that throw these statements out actually think about them first.

Unlike sex and virginity, war and peace are neither mutually exlcusive or irreversible. They are, in fact, quite the opposite.

One can repeatedly fight wars and have peace afterwards. Even if you're cynical and believe there is no peace - there is virginity.

Makes about as much of an adult argument as a slow clap does. How persuasive.

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Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:47 pm

@Grunt- I didn't write the thing, I just quoted it. It is an idiot's analogy, but never the less works as a quote.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 2:23 pm

Sorry man, I went off on one there, it just drives me nuts.