Item Upgrade Mod bug?

UncleScratchy · Post by **UncleScratchy** » Sun May 18, 2003 12:55 pm

I'm playing my current game with the Item Upgrade Mod and trying to improve Haer'Dalis's weapons. Cromwell tells me I need a rogue stone, scrolls of Chaos and Greater Malison plus 25K gold. I did this but its not working. Some of those items may be stolen (I went berserk with the potions of Master Thievery and cleaned out all the merchants selling scrolls). I'm pretty sure Cromwell used a stolen scroll of Protection from the Elements on my Aeger's Hide armor. Anyone been able to upgrade Haery's weapons successfully?

Edit: Okay I figured out what I was doing wrong. I missed the part about also needing two shortswords Arbane and Illbratha. Once I had them it worked.

paulsbo · Post by **paulsbo** » Mon May 19, 2003 6:59 am

This reminds me of the turnip stew my aunt Jansen used to make . . .

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon May 19, 2003 10:13 am

Originally posted by UncleScratchy
I'm my current game with the Item Upgrade Mod and trying to improve Haer'Dalis's weapons. Cromwell tells me I need a rogue stone, scrolls of Chaos and Greater Malison plus 25K gold. I did this but its not working. Some of those items may be stolen (I went berserk with the potions of Master Thievery and cleaned out all the merchants selling scrolls). I'm pretty sure Cromwell used a stolen scroll of Protection from the Elements on my Aeger's Hide armor. Anyone been able to upgrade Haery's weapons successfully?

I was just curious how many different items can be upgraded with this mod. I just read two of them in this post, so what about these?

- The Hallowed Redeemer (Keldorn's Sword)

- Yoshimo's Katana

- Valygar's Katana and Armor (2 items, of course)

And then if there were a new NPC that you could join you, I could imagine it being an elven fighter warrior or fighter multi-class of sorts armed with a moonblade (upgradable with, say, the illitium and a moonstone, or such). Sound interesting?

I just thought of that after reading "Elfshadow" by Elaine Cunningham. Quite a decent book, though I still think R. A. Salvatore is the best of all.

globester · Post by **globester** » Mon May 19, 2003 11:15 am

try cheating the scrolls in with cluaconsole to see if it then works

to galuf : there's a readme included with the mod which includes all items that can upgraded

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon May 19, 2003 1:04 pm

Yeah, I did get one Sphere of Chaos scroll out of either some battle, or one of the vases in the circus tent when you deal with Kalah early on in the game. No... wait, it wasn't the circus tent. I kind of forget at this point. Sorry.

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Mon May 19, 2003 1:31 pm

I was just curious how many different items can be upgraded with this mod. I just read two of them in this post, so what about these?

- The Hallowed Redeemer (Keldorn's Sword)

- Yoshimo's Katana

- Valygar's Katana and Armor (2 items, of course)

And then if there were a new NPC that you could join you, I could imagine it being an elven fighter warrior or fighter multi-class of sorts armed with a moonblade (upgradable with, say, the illitium and a moonstone, or such). Sound interesting?

Item upgrade and Solaufein spoilers

Halowed Redeemer and Corthala Family armor are upgraded to very good items. The sword becomes a rival to Carsomyr, and the Corthala armor can make you walk through Abi Dazims unscathed.
Solaufein is a drow fighter/mage who may get a moonblade that is automatically upgraded once you reach a certain level. It does come with a price...

JackOfClubs · Post by **JackOfClubs** » Wed May 21, 2003 5:51 pm

Originally posted by UncleScratchy
I'm playing my current game with the Item Upgrade Mod and trying to improve Haer'Dalis's weapons. Cromwell tells me I need a rogue stone, scrolls of Chaos and Greater Malison plus 25K gold. I did this but its not working. Some of those items may be stolen (I went berserk with the potions of Master Thievery and cleaned out all the merchants selling scrolls). I'm pretty sure Cromwell used a stolen scroll of Protection from the Elements on my Aeger's Hide armor. Anyone been able to upgrade Haery's weapons successfully?

One of the problems I've noticed with this mod is that Cromwell can see the items in your bags and scroll cases when he gives you the option to upgrade, but not when he is checking for all of the required components. So, if you haven't already, try taking all of the items out of these containers and putting them into regular inventory. I don't think there is any problem with stolen merchandise, but I can't remember trying it.

UncleScratchy · Post by **UncleScratchy** » Wed May 21, 2003 5:58 pm

Re: Re: Item Upgrade Mod bug?

Originally posted by JackOfClubs
One of the problems I've noticed with this mod is that Cromwell can see the items in your bags and scroll cases when he gives you the option to upgrade, but not when he is checking for all of the required components. So, if you haven't already, try taking all of the items out of these containers and putting them into regular inventory. I don't think there is any problem with stolen merchandise, but I can't remember trying it.

Thanks, I'll give it a try, though I'm pretty sure everything needed was out in the open. I think I even tried taking the two swords and putting them into inventory with the gem and scrolls. Never hurts to try again. This is the first time I've taken Haery into my party (I don't like bards much, nasty brutes, small hands, smell like cabbage you know) and was counting on making him a bit better than 'useless'.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:29 am

Re: Re: Re: Item Upgrade Mod bug?

Originally posted by UncleScratchy
Thanks, I'll give it a try, though I'm pretty sure everything needed was out in the open. I think I even tried taking the two swords and putting them into inventory with the gem and scrolls. Never hurts to try again. This is the first time I've taken Haery into my party (I don't like bards much, nasty brutes, small hands, smell like cabbage you know) and was counting on making him a bit better than 'useless'.

Actually, 'Scratchy, them bards I be knowin' smelled more'n like cheap cologne and perfume. Better watch 'em when they cast those fireballs, because they could set THEMSELVES on fire more than one of us dwarves covered in Elven Wine! Har!

Leonardo: So, that drow lad there gets 'is own Moonblade, eh? Funny, I thought only them grey elves had 'em. Besides, if he gets one, then why not ol Drizzt Dudden? (Just had to mispel it for fun)

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:54 am

Spoilers

Solaufein MAY get his own moonblade depending on the dialogue choices you make... maybe the PC on Drizzt party made the wrong choices

Actually, the sword is a gift from his deity, it's either it or a nice special ability you get. The only thing you are SURE to get on that mod is a lot of people trying to obliterate Sola and whoever is with him... and they bring along lots of fun!

UncleScratchy · Post by **UncleScratchy** » Fri May 23, 2003 7:12 am

Originally posted by Leonardo
Solaufein MAY get his own moonblade depending on the dialogue choices you make... maybe the PC on Drizzt party made the wrong choices
Actually, the sword is a gift from his deity, it's either it or a nice special ability you get. The only thing you are SURE to get on that mod is a lot of people trying to obliterate Sola and whoever is with him... and they bring along lots of fun!

A drow wielding a moonblade? That doesn't make much sense. Moonblades were created to provide a method of selecting the elven kings from the various surface elf clans. The drow had already split from the surface elves and weren't included when the moonblades were first distributed. Since the moonblades are hereditary (plus the wielder must be found to be worthy by the moonblade itself) there wouldn't be any possibility of Solaufein wielding one - he would be toast as soon as he unsheathed it. Unless he's only half drow and the other half was surface elf. Since I've never played the Solaufein mod I don't know what his history is supposed to be.

Originally posted by 'Dwarf
Actually, 'Scratchy, them bards I be knowin' smelled more'n like cheap cologne and perfume. Better watch 'em when they cast those fireballs, because they could set THEMSELVES on fire more than one of us dwarves covered in Elven Wine! Har!

I don't normally allow bards into my party for two reasons: (1) I hate them; and (2), IMO they suck - I think that pretty much covers it. But I've never played Haery in my party before and he has some pretty good combat stats (probably because of his Tiefling blood). I also have Aerie in my party whom my main char is romancing (she doesn't whine as much if you romance her and string her along). Anyway, I wanted to see how the Aerie romance and rivalry with Haery went. BTW, I also have Yeslick and Kagain in my party (I cloned them into the game with BG1 voicesets and portraits and gave them the stats they had just before the final BG1 battle with Saravok.) As dwarves go, they're not bad party members. Not as good of course as my cloned version of Aunt Petunia the legendary gnome ranger mind you, but good nonetheless.

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Fri May 23, 2003 8:49 am

Spoiler

Item description

Tsuki no Ken: Moon's Blade +4
According to legend, this ancient blade was originally forged in Kara-Tur by a Tengu weaponsmith with a strange sense of humor. Records of its passing were lost to antiquity until it turned up in the care of a high priestess of Eilistraee. Since then it has been used by followers of Lady Silverhair to protect the weak and strike down the wicked. It was personally granted to Solaufein by the Goddess herself. The blade gleams with a dark silvery light and its passing makes a sound like rustling leaves in a dark forest.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Fri May 23, 2003 10:55 am

Originally posted by Leonardo
Spoiler

Item description

Tsuki no Ken: Moon's Blade +4
According to legend, this ancient blade was originally forged in Kara-Tur by a Tengu weaponsmith with a strange sense of humor. Records of its passing were lost to antiquity until it turned up in the care of a high priestess of Eilistraee. Since then it has been used by followers of Lady Silverhair to protect the weak and strike down the wicked. It was personally granted to Solaufein by the Goddess herself. The blade gleams with a dark silvery light and its passing makes a sound like rustling leaves in a dark forest.

Well, that's a blade from the moon goddess, not a blade of Moon Elves, lad. Like 'Scratchy said, he'd become pre-manufactured urn material if that was a MOONBLADE. Hope this helps out.

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Fri May 23, 2003 11:30 am

It has "moon's blade" on it's title, and if you saw the list of abilities granted by it Xan's moonblade from BG1 would be downgraded to "tiny meteorite blade"

UncleScratchy · Post by **UncleScratchy** » Sat May 24, 2003 3:14 am

Originally posted by Leonardo
It has "moon's blade" on it's title, and if you saw the list of abilities granted by it Xan's moonblade from BG1 would be downgraded to "tiny meteorite blade"

No offense Leonardo, but it doesn't matter how powerful it is. Power doesn't make it a moonblade. Nor can new moonblades be forged in Kara-Tur by some lowly weaponsmith. The description says its called the "Moon's Blade". Thats what the sword was called not what kind of sword it is and its not the same thing as a 'moonblade'. There's a reason that only Xan can wield his moonblade. Only 300 moonblades were ever made and they were all made at once during a ceremony that used a spell from the high elven god Corellon Larethian which gave the swords the ability to determine what powers they would possess and the ability to judge who was worthy of wielding them. Try reading some of the Forgotten Realms series of books like Elaine Cunningham's book "Evermeet" if you are interested in knowing the story of the drow, moonblades, different elven clans, types of dragons, etc. There are also a couple of good books about Elminster, how he was an orphaned noble, first becoming a thief and then a mage, why he is special, etc. that are good reading also. Then there's a whole bunch of books about Drizzt, his origins and his adventures which inspired Ice Wind Dale. Try browsing the Wizards of the Coast website, they own the rights to the TSR/Forgotten Realms books that BG is based on.

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Sat May 24, 2003 3:48 pm

No offense taken, pal.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:43 pm

Originally posted by UncleScratchy
No offense Leonardo, but it doesn't matter how powerful it is. Power doesn't make it a moonblade. Nor can new moonblades be forged in Kara-Tur by some lowly weaponsmith. The description says its called the "Moon's Blade". Thats what the sword was called not what kind of sword it is and its not the same thing as a 'moonblade'. There's a reason that only Xan can wield his moonblade. Only 300 moonblades were ever made and they were all made at once during a ceremony that used a spell from the high elven god Corellon Larethian which gave the swords the ability to determine what powers they would possess and the ability to judge who was worthy of wielding them. Try reading some of the Forgotten Realms series of books like Elaine Cunningham's book "Evermeet" if you are interested in knowing the story of the drow, moonblades, different elven clans, types of dragons, etc. There are also a couple of good books about Elminster, how he was an orphaned noble, first becoming a thief and then a mage, why he is special, etc. that are good reading also. Then there's a whole bunch of books about Drizzt, his origins and his adventures which inspired Ice Wind Dale. Try browsing the Wizards of the Coast website, they own the rights to the TSR/Forgotten Realms books that BG is based on.

(Off Topic)
Hey, 'Scratchy, how many of the Elminster books have you read? I've read the first one and "Elminster in Myth Drannor", and I'm supposed to be getting both "The Temptation of Elminster" and "Elminster in Hell" sometime soon. If you've read enough of them, do you know how many there are overall and in what chronological order I should read the books? Just wanted to make sure.

UncleScratchy · Post by **UncleScratchy** » Sun May 25, 2003 7:46 am

Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
(Off Topic)
Hey, 'Scratchy, how many of the Elminster books have you read? I've read the first one and "Elminster in Myth Drannor", and I'm supposed to be getting both "The Temptation of Elminster" and "Elminster in Hell" sometime soon. If you've read enough of them, do you know how many there are overall and in what chronological order I should read the books? Just wanted to make sure.

You should start by reading "Elminster: The Making of a Mage" by Ed Greenwood if you haven't read it yet as it starts off with him as a boy when his parents are roasted by an attack by a flying dragon ridden by the bad guys. Ed Greenwood was the creator of the Forgotten Realms world and I think his books are perhaps the best in the FR series. I like the early Elminster because he was one heck of an adventurer in his youth while the BG games depict him in his later years as a meddling old man affiliated with the Harpers. Here's a list of all of Ed's books on Elminster that you can find at the Wizards website. (I lifted this off their site and edited a bit for readability) It shows not only the chronilogical order in which they were published but the Dale Reckoning (DR) start and end times in which the stories are set:

"Forgotten Realms Lists

Ed Greenwood - Elminster stories (as signature character)

Book Title / Author / Pub. Year / Start DR year / End DR year / Notes (Further time specifics, etc.)
Elminster: Making of a Mage / Ed Greenwood / 1994 / 212 / 241
Elminster in Myth Drannor / Ed Greenwood / 1997 / 241 / 261
The Temptation of Elminster / Ed Greenwood / 1998 / 759 / 767
Elminster at the Magefair / Ed Greenwood /1993 / 1355 / 1355 / Realms of Valor Story II
Shadows of Doom / Ed Greenwood / 1995 / 1358 / 1358 / Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy Book I; concurrent w/ "Shadowdale"
Cloak of Shadows / Ed Greenwood / 1995 / 1358 / 1358 / Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy Book II; concurrent w/"Shadowdale"
All Shadows Fled / Ed Greenwood / 1995 / 1358 / 1358 / Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy Book III; concurrent w/"Tantras"

I know I haven't read them all but probably most of them (I really need to find out where I've got them stashed and do an inventory).

Back on topic: Finally figured out what I was doing wrong with Haery's sword upgrade. Apparently I read the ingredient list to fast and missed the part about needing two enchanted short swords: Arbane and Illbratha. Once I had them it worked fine.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon May 26, 2003 4:08 pm

Originally posted by UncleScratchy
You should start by reading "Elminster: The Making of a Mage" by Ed Greenwood if you haven't read it yet as it starts off with him as a boy when his parents are roasted by an attack by a flying dragon ridden by the bad guys. Ed Greenwood was the creator of the Forgotten Realms world and I think his books are perhaps the best in the FR series. I like the early Elminster because he was one heck of an adventurer in his youth while the BG games depict him in his later years as a meddling old man affiliated with the Harpers. Here's a list of all of Ed's books on Elminster that you can find at the Wizards website. (I lifted this off their site and edited a bit for readability) It shows not only the chronilogical order in which they were published but the Dale Reckoning (DR) start and end times in which the stories are set:

"Forgotten Realms Lists

Ed Greenwood - Elminster stories (as signature character)

Book Title / Author / Pub. Year / Start DR year / End DR year / Notes (Further time specifics, etc.)
Elminster: Making of a Mage / Ed Greenwood / 1994 / 212 / 241
Elminster in Myth Drannor / Ed Greenwood / 1997 / 241 / 261
The Temptation of Elminster / Ed Greenwood / 1998 / 759 / 767
Elminster at the Magefair / Ed Greenwood /1993 / 1355 / 1355 / Realms of Valor Story II
Shadows of Doom / Ed Greenwood / 1995 / 1358 / 1358 / Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy Book I; concurrent w/ "Shadowdale"
Cloak of Shadows / Ed Greenwood / 1995 / 1358 / 1358 / Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy Book II; concurrent w/"Shadowdale"
All Shadows Fled / Ed Greenwood / 1995 / 1358 / 1358 / Shadow of the Avatar Trilogy Book III; concurrent w/"Tantras"

I know I haven't read them all but probably most of them (I really need to find out where I've got them stashed and do an inventory).

Back on topic: Finally figured out what I was doing wrong with Haery's sword upgrade. Apparently I read the ingredient list to fast and missed the part about needing two enchanted short swords: Arbane and Illbratha. Once I had them it worked fine.

Well, since I don't have that mod, I usually sell those two swords(Arbane's and Illbratha) before Chpt. 3, along with Kundane and and any others aside from the Short Sword of Backstabbing (+3, after all, good for backstabbing), and Cutthroat (+4) later on. Don't feel bad about the ingredient list things, because once I somehow lost the scroll to Crom Faeyr a few years ago.

(About Elminster) Okay, so "The Temptation" is next in line. Yes, I have read the first book you mentioned, since that is the first one after all. I would've mentioned the title, but I was too tired after getting home from work Saturday night. Too much of a virtual mouthful after working for almost 9 hours straight.

It's funny that "Elminster in Hell" isn't on that list. I suppose that's a short while after the Magefair book.

UncleScratchy · Post by **UncleScratchy** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:01 am

Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
(About Elminster) Okay, so "The Temptation" is next in line. Yes, I have read the first book you mentioned, since that is the first one after all. I would've mentioned the title, but I was too tired after getting home from work Saturday night. Too much of a virtual mouthful after working for almost 9 hours straight.

It's funny that "Elminster in Hell" isn't on that list. I suppose that's a short while after the Magefair book.

You can read them in the order that they were published or in the order of when they take place in Dale Reckoning (DR) time. It looks like Ed Greenwood first introduced Elminster in his 1993 "Magefair" story and then decided he was on to something with this character so he went back to flesh him out in his 1994 "Making of a Mage" novel. Then he bounced between Elminster's late and early careers in his follow on books. I don't know why the bibliograpy doesn't include the May 2002 "Elminster in Hell" novel except that they haven't updated it recently. Sounds like it takes place late in Elminster's career though.