The Matrix...Reloaded

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Sun May 25, 2003 9:22 am

Re: unsure

Originally posted by Recoba
My 2 cents for what its worth

Two cents, perhaps?

Originally posted by Recoba
in the first one the philosophy was interesting and comprehendable (some of the lines like "there is a difference between choosing the path and walking the path" and "ever wondered how deep the rabbit hole goes" worked really well and helped the plot) where as in this one i was left saying "huh" quite alot and whilst maybe i did not get it it was a little inpenetrable in places...

The problem for me was twofold. First of all, I barely remember the first movie, so there were many references I didn't understand. Second of all, I have trouble remembering that everything inside the Matrix is computer code. When I see something that LOOKS like the real world, I have a tendency to think it IS the real world. That's precisely the dilemma, isn't it? Long fight scenes (which confuse me because they should not be literally necessary in the first place--but hey, they're so cool) make it even more difficult to realize that I'm looking at computer code, not real people.

Originally posted by Recoba
PS anyone who has not seen it in uk yet stay afterwards at the end of the credits for a revolutions preview.

Unfortunately, I didn't like the music, so I didn't feel like it was worthwhile to sit through seven minutes of credits to see a one-minute preview. But if people can't wait to see the preview, then I hope they sit through the credits and enjoy it.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun May 25, 2003 9:49 am

The preview sucked. Definatly not worth waiting through the credits to see it.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Sun May 25, 2003 11:55 am

Originally posted by Aegis
The preview sucked. Definatly not worth waiting through the credits to see it.

I beg to differ.

Sure, it wasn't a real preview, but it was good enough for me. (Also, I happened to love the music during the credits....)

Recoba · Post by **Recoba** » Sun May 25, 2003 12:59 pm

second time

Hi there,

Saw it again today and the philosophy made more sense (i think i was trying to read too much into it) which is good

The preview is good - if the music was not soo loud!!! Tried to chat to my mate

+ how many people were in the credits - i think at least 1000!!!

Roll on the next one

Recoba

Kameleon · Post by **Kameleon** » Sun May 25, 2003 1:28 pm

I'm amazed that no one has yet mentioned what is at the heart of the Matrix Reloaded plot and philosophy - Zen Buddhism. There are two stages to enlightenment in Zen, as it has been explained to me: Life is like watching a movie, but you identify so completely with the movie that you are sucked into believing that it is real. The first stage of enlightenment is the realisation that you are merely watching the movie; the second stage is knowing that you are the projectionist, able to control what is going on, and rise above it totally. When the heroes of the film first leave the Matrix, they have reached the first stage, and in the Architect's room Neo has a chance to achieve total enlightenment by going through the other door and becoming a buddha. But instead he chooses to sacrifice this chance to save another, Trinity, and becomes a buddha satva, one still living the dream but with the knowledge of what is going on. This is why he was able to feel, and stop, the Sentinels - he knew that he was still in the Matrix, even if he couldn't get out.

I loved this movie - it made perfect sense to me. The Architect's speech could have been done a lot better, true, but it got the information I needed to hear across. Making a sequel to the Matrix was a hard task, and they could have done far worse and not much better. I can't wait for the next film, I'm fascinated to see what is really outside the Matrix. But if they do something cheesy like "it was all Neo's dream" I'm gonna kill someone.

Recoba · Post by **Recoba** » Sun May 25, 2003 3:48 pm

<quote>But if they do something cheesy like "it was all Neo's dream" I'm gonna kill someone.</quote>

Oh no! I never thought of that - please make it not true!

Recoba

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Sun May 25, 2003 4:26 pm

Oh, with the first two movies, with all the philosophy and such, if they do THAT, they'll have fans from all over out for blood, myself included.

I can't wait for Revolutions.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Sun May 25, 2003 4:26 pm

Re: Re: unsure

Originally posted by VonDondu

Unfortunately, I didn't like the music, so I didn't feel like it was worthwhile to sit through seven minutes of credits to see a one-minute preview. But if people can't wait to see the preview, then I hope they sit through the credits and enjoy it.

Luckily for me, in the theater where I saw it, they put in the previeuw halfway the credits

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Sun May 25, 2003 5:28 pm

Excellent avatar @ Stilgar...

Was the music Calm Like A Bomb?

@Kameleon -
Here's the ending, and sorry for spoilers everyone:
Massive fight scene end.
Close up shot of Keanu's eye.
Zoom out, to show Keanu sitting up in bed, cold sweat on forehead, folded copy of 'Rock Guitar' magazine on pillow.
Keanu: [looks at hands, bemused expression on face] Woah. It was all a dream...

OR WAS IT?

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon May 26, 2003 1:17 pm

I went to see The Matrix Reloaded last night and thought it to be okay; not great, but not bad either.

The movie's strong points are the action, cool special effects and the fairly original premise of our "reality" being a lie. However, I thought many of the fight scenes to be long and tedius, the plot exposition bad and the dialogue only a couple of steps up from the latest Star Wars movies.

I think many of the new plot twists were done very well, and I am reserving judgement on how well the story is executed until the third movie comes out; like The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, this movie cannot stand on its own and is part of a trilogy and must be evaluated as such.

My two other gripes were that some of the fight scene animation was obviously CGI and could have been done well in about three minutes instead of 10. It's like some of R. A. Salvatore's fight sequences which drag on for pages at a time and become boring rather than exciting. Of the movie's 138 minutes, I think about twenty minutes could have been eliminated by taking out vapid dialogue and extended fighting.

I sat through the credits and waited for the preview, which was pretty cool, and in doing so noticed that some of the CGI was done by "Giant Killer Robots" and "The Pixel Liberation Front". I think I'll reserve judgement on the series until after all three come out on DVD and I get a chance to watch them start to finish.