Jan Jansen won't join

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:58 pm

Jan approached my party twice (as far as I can recall) and I declined each time. Now I have left the underdark and wished to have him in my party but he does not approach us now, and if I try to talk to him I am told Jan has nothing to say to you.

This is not the "target appears busy" bug, my game has the latest patch. I have SoA/ToB and TDD installed, with the latest ToB and TDD patches.

Have I missed my opportunity?

Thanks in advance.

Shin Jaon · Post by **Shin Jaon** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:28 pm

If you have Minsc I wouldn't get him. I use Minsc and chose him above Jan. These two don't get along very well. AND I MEAN VERY WELL! I would suggest using Nalia instead. She appeals to Minsc. And I enjoy having Minsc around. One person I always thought who proved to be good muscle. But if you need Jan then by all means its your choice. But watch Minsc carefully. Several times the two come close to fighting. You know how Minsc is about Boo.

Baked Goods · Post by **Baked Goods** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:34 pm

No disrespect, but with over 7000 posts i'm assuming yshania is aware of this fact.

Sorry, Yshania, can't help

Zelgadis · Post by **Zelgadis** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:47 pm

Dunno if you missed your opportunity or not, but if you want to cheat him into your party, you can activate the console and use the ctr-Q thing. I'm not sure how that will affect his party interactions, though.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:04 am

I'd save your game, then try CTRL-Q, as Zel suggests. Once Jan's in the party, try speaking to him, accessing his inventory, getting him to cast spells, etc. If it all checks out okay, and he performs under direction during the next battle, I'd say you're home free.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:59 am

Thanks for the responses, guys

@Zelgadis, I did wonder whether cheating him into my party might affect his dialogue (which let's face it is the main reason I want him in

) I can do as you and Fable say, at least if I knew how.

I have entered Debug=1 in the Baldur.ini file, and I can bring up the cheat console no problem, but how does the Ctrl-Q work? I have hovered my cursor over Jan, but holding down Ctrl-Q does nothing at all. I wonder if this might be due to having TDD installed? Does anyone know or can advise where I might be otherwise going wrong? I have approached him with a five member party to see if that makes any difference, but it doesn't. I think he is really pissed off with me

Cheating him in might be my only option. I have loaded earlier saves, but same problem. The earliest save I have is way back in Ust Natha, I will try re-loading that one, but like I said, it is way back and I am not sure I want to re-do all I have done since.

Back to the original bug, could it be that because I am now in Chapter 6 Jan's quests have timed out? I thought they timed only after he joined your party, and I never had him join, only declined his attentions for the time being

Thanks again for any help.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:22 am

I wonder if there is a variable you could reset with shadowkeeper. At this point, there must be some variable in the game indicating you have talked to and denied Jan twice the opportunity to enter your party. If you could reset that to 0, as in throughout the course of the game I've never spoken to Jan, perhaps it would initiate the first dialog you receive when speaking to him the first time. This seems like a longshot but somehow possible. If I actually had the game installed these days, I'd mess around with this but I don't.

For future reference, you can always pick up an NPC the first time you talk to them and drop them immediately. I believe a very high percentage of them will opt to hang out in the exact spot you dropped them at waiting for you to ask them back to the party.

good luck

Shin Jaon · Post by **Shin Jaon** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:40 am

hehehehe sorry......

I was just putting my two cents in

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:27 pm

@Ned, thank you

My guess is that it may well have something to do with the global variable thingies, but then I am not technical enough to know where to look and how to amend (*begs Sojourner or Sabre to step forward and lend a hand

*)

Also, with the idea of taking on an NPC and dropping them (in order to later pick them up) it might run the risk of some NPCs - I am thinking of those that have timed quests - causing a similar problem as I am having with sulking Jan when trying to pick them up later. I am sure once you have accepted someone into your party, the count down starts, irregardless of whether you keep them there for the duration of the timer or not. I might be wrong, though I am paranoid enough to believe this

This was why I initially denied Jan

He is so much fun to have too, I tried telling him this but our frustrations came to blows and a bloody mess on the cobbles. A reload brings him back, but he still denies my proposals

I feel unloved!

@Shin Jaon LOL!

no worries, and thank you for your input - all ideas are valid. Oh! and welcome to GameBanshee

Shin Jaon · Post by **Shin Jaon** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:29 pm

Hehehe No problem

I'm more new to both the game and the site

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:40 pm

Originally posted by Shin Jaon
Hehehe No problem I'm more new to both the game and the site

Then enjoy both

I have spent a lot of time in GB, and am on the umpteenth trip through SoA, I have only ever finished the game a few times though, and I am not even on a quest for the perfect party! Actually, I find the more I restart, the more loyal I am towards certain NPCs. The game has great replay value, and GB is a rich resource for tips and advice, both technical and strategic

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:44 pm

Ysh, only a fool would deny your proposals

Well then Ysh, I'll just have to install the damn game and figure out which global variables are present. With any luck, I'll find one that reset Jan so he may join your party. It seems you hack almost anything in the game if you know where to find it. Look thorugh shadowkeeper and find all variables with 'jan' in them, preferably linked with quest or speak or comm (not COMM). Start a new game with a new character, open shadowkeeper and review the same Jan variables in the new saved game. You might find a discrepancy and make the change. I believe setting a variable to 0 (zero) resets it, just guessing. Anyway, if you do make such a change in your valid saved game, shadowkeeper will save the changes under a new game name, keeping your original intact.

Does that make even a little sense, lazy writing.

Give it a whirl. Fear not. Happy Hunting.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:55 pm

Aw shucks, Ned

you would do that for me? *flutters eyelashes* I have learned over the years - by trial and error - to sort out hardware issues, but the software glitches have me reformatting at the drop of a hat

I am not the most patient, especially when denied by a male sub-ordinate, I now DEMAND his company!!

To be honest, I am aware of what the Cheat codes can do for you, and also Shadow Keeper, but that - to me - has always kind of removed the fun from the game. Yes, I have been known to sit and re-roll the dice for ages to get a near perfect set of stats, but I won't up them without a Tome

I enabled the cheat codes this time to get my man, but it doesn't want to play. I suppose I should install Shadow Keeper too, and try that, rather than beg someone else to do it. Begging is not normally my business, but I can eat humble pie if someone can do it quicker and more effectively than I

I will give it a go and hope. Thank you

*hug*

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:13 pm

I tried, honest

I saw nothing relative to Jan in the global variables. I went from Jaheira to Jailboy to Jarlaxle, no Jan in between.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:50 pm

Huh. Maybe the only global variables for NPC's apply to romances only, and lucky for you, there's no way to rendezvous with Jan in the turnip patch.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:37 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
Huh. Maybe the only global variables for NPC's apply to romances only, and lucky for you, there's no way to rendezvous with Jan in the turnip patch.

*sigh* but I have always admired those short of stature and high of humour

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:12 pm

If Jan is still in the Government District, you can try the following CLUAConsole commands:

SetGlobal("JanFree","GLOBAL",1)
SetGlobal("JanMove","GLOBAL",1)

You can also try this set of commands:
SetGlobal("TalkedToJan","LOCALS",1)
SetGlobal("JanMove","GLOBAL",0)

If he has moved to the Slums in front of his house, try the following:

SetGlobal("JanMove","GLOBAL",2)

If all else fails, you can try these:

SetGlobal("TalkedToJan","LOCALS",0)
SetGlobal("JanMove","GLOBAL",0)

That last set of commands might make him act as if you have never talked to him before. The inspector who wants to arrest him might be respawned, and that could mess things up, so I would only use those commands as a last resort.

As far as I know, Jan isn't supposed to stop talking to you just because you have rejected him twice. Since the variables are evidently messed up already, I wouldn't worry about messing things up by playing with global variables. Typically, they only affect a few conversations, not the entire course of the NPC's interactions. You can always reset the variables you have changed; just try to remember which ones you change. (I always write them down.) Besides, if you're experimenting with a saved game, you can always reload. (I have so many saved games, I'm embarrassed to tell you how many.)

Good luck!

Shin Jaon · Post by **Shin Jaon** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:28 pm

cheating, I'm sorry I always frowned on it. And about the party. I'm just there to play the quests and see what kind of trouble or help I can be. I travel with the main characters Jaheira and Minsc because they were old friends and I can't live without the sexy Jaheria. I still don't get what you guys are talking about when you say romances with her. What the heck is all that about? Any benefits? Does she produce an offspring?

Baked Goods · Post by **Baked Goods** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:36 pm

Any benefits? Does she produce an offspring?

Hahahahaha, imagine that, another little child of bhaal. You' d be fighting and pushing a pram, ahahah.

Finally found a use for those beakers in SoA, fill em with cows milk for the baby, ooh ooh, and the doll and mirror from the sewers would be essential parenting equipment.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:20 pm

Originally posted by Yshania
I have entered Debug=1 in the Baldur.ini file, and I can bring up the cheat console no problem, but how does the Ctrl-Q work? I have hovered my cursor over Jan, but holding down Ctrl-Q does nothing at all. I wonder if this might be due to having TDD installed? Does anyone know or can advise where I might be otherwise going wrong? I have approached him with a five member party to see if that makes any difference, but it doesn't. I think he is really pissed off with me

To use CRTL Q or any of the cheat keys, you need to do the following:

Add the line Cheats=1 to your baldur.ini file (under [Game Options]).

Start up the game, bring up the console, and enter:

CLUAConsole:EnableCheatKeys(1);

(This need only be done once.)

I think TDD might indeed have done something. So long as you're polite when rejecting him the first time, he'll join any time thereafter.