The Persuade option

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:52 am

Does anyone else find it cheesy that you can retry dialog options using Persuade, in effect rerolling the use of the skill until you get a desirable result? I was hoping, instead, you'd be stuck with the first roll you got off the use of any skill.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 11:27 am

I agree, this flaw was also present in NWN.

Idioteque · Post by **Idioteque** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:06 pm

Well from a roleplaying point of view youre not so persuasive to change someone mind instantly, but if you keep badgering them they will see it your way.

I felt the same way about disarmming traps in BG.

Pebz · Post by **Pebz** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:52 am

Well, its either that or alot of reloading (for most people, I think)... besides, there is a DC that you have to beat, so without a decent investment in persaude you will fail no matter how often you try.

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 7:09 am

Originally posted by Idioteque
Well from a roleplaying point of view youre not so persuasive to change someone mind instantly, but if you keep badgering them they will see it your way.

You realize that's also justification for a more violent reaction, especially given the kind of people you deal with in KotoR?

(Persuade) I think my successful bounty hunting is worth more than 300 credits.

Zax: (Failure) What, you are better than everybody else? If I raise the rates for you, I will have to raise them for all!

(Persuade) I think my successful bounty hunting is worth more than 300 credits.

Zax: (Failure) What, you are better than everybody else? If I raise the rates for you, I will have to raise them for all!

(Persuade) I think my successful bounty hunting is worth more than 300 credits.

Zax: (Utter Failure) So you insult me by repeating the same nonsense ad nauseum? (Suddenly twenty bounty hunters focus their firepower on you and your party until all are dead.) Oh, well. At least it wasn't a total loss. Cart their bodies off to serve as manure in the rich gardens of the Upper City--and save that little bit for my rubber plant.

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:10 pm

EEK.....Did that actually happen?

LOL..maybe I'll just start taking no for an answer

I have not had a response change to a negative one.

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:12 pm

It only happened in my mind, @Scayde.

jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:23 pm

Failing to persuade the first time around does have an affect when you try again. The chances for success seem to lower.

Plus there are certain people that can't be persuaded or force persuade.... like the Locker

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:20 pm

Originally posted by jennabard
Failing to persuade the first time around does have an affect when you try again. The chances for success seem to lower.

How have you been able to determine this, @Jennabard? I've repeatedly been able to succeed with Persuade just by running through the dialog loop over and over. After I did that in three successive instances with different NPCs, I gave up doing it. Too much like cheating.

jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:10 pm

Funny

With a persuade at 16, I could never get Lashowe to be my buddy if I don't swindle her the first time around.

I guess I don't have the patience for the same converstion.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:18 pm

Maybe it's a very narrow window of values that supports the either/or situation in which Persuade can fail or succeed.

Mmagus · Post by **Mmagus** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:13 pm

JENN....

Hi... You said

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"Funny

With a persuade at 16, I could never get Lashowe to be my buddy if I don't swindle her the first time around.

I guess I don't have the patience for the same converstion."

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I got her to let me in on the Holocom (sp) the first time around...I flirted with her.