Nifty equipment ideas for chars *warning, NO CHEESE ALLOWED, please read disclaimer*

[Xyx]

Originally posted by Mirk
hey xyx,

this reminds me of some things said about some other evil magical ring... ;-)

My preciousssss....

[fable]

Originally posted by Xyx
Favourite equipment not yet mentioned:

• Helm of Vhailor. One of the most powerful items in the game, assuming you don't consider clones using scrolls (read: Time Stop and Horrid Wilting) is cheese (which it probably isn't, since it appears to be a conscious desing decision).

I'd suggest it is cheese, and a bad design decision: a potential gamebreaker, if you use it with common sense. Of course, as much can be said of the higher level duplicating spells in general, with their ability to spawn multiple copies of mages. What makes the helm into ultimate cheese is its migration of this basically ToB tactic into a relatively early SoA one, as well as giving it cross-profession potential. "Having problems with the Undead...? No longer! Just buy my Helm of Vhailor (tm), give it to your cleric, and get twice the clerical spells at any level! Sold without batteries."

[Galuf the Dwarf]

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
adds +5 to npc thaco, to hit...so its like a +5 sword...

+2 to damage per missile...

however ranged weapons, its the MISSILE bonuses that count tword creatures that can only be hit by certain +x weapons...

for example, golems which can only be hit by +2 weapons (i think) you must use a +2 bolt with this crossbow to hit it...even though your chances of hitting it improves with the better crossbow...

certain weapons, like the gesen bow and firetooth crossbow, which don't require weapons, their self producing missiles hit as +5 weapons...but if you equip it with ammo, the ammo enchantment level determines if it can hit something...

so a gesen or firetooth without ammo can hit demiliches, but with ammo, you must have +4 bolts or arrows to hit it and damage it...

but the elemental bonuses of the weapon apply to any missiles fired by the weapon...

so a gesen bow with plain, unmagical arrows, will go right thru protection from magical weapons, since the arrows are unmagical, but the elemental damage will punch right thru stoneskin, since the unmagical arrows still carry an electrical charge... mage killing mazzy...

Uhhh, okay, so does that mean that the Heavy Crossbow of Accuracy is a +2 or a +5? I'm still confused.

[unrelated]

Neither.
You shouldn't see it as an enchantment but as a bonus, the kind you get from other items like gloves of skill and such. So it is a +5 THAC0 bonus, but unenchanted.

It is the enchantment of the ammunition counts when it comes to which creature you can hit.

The exception is for those weapons that do not require ammunition, those previously listed: gesen bow, firetooth, tancheron and everard... but only when they do not have ammunition in use.

[Galuf the Dwarf]

Originally posted by unrelated
Neither.
You shouldn't see it as an enchantment but as a bonus, the kind you get from other items like gloves of skill and such. So it is a +5 THAC0 bonus, but unenchanted.

It is the enchantment of the ammunition counts when it comes to which creature you can hit.

The exception is for those weapons that do not require ammunition, those previously listed: gesen bow, firetooth, tancheron and everard... but only when they do not have ammunition in use.

Okay, so if I used the Heavy Crossbow of Accuracy with +4 bolts, it still would be able to hit a lich?

[UserUnfriendly]

Originally posted by lompo
Not exactly I think. Gesen bow and Firetooth (before upgrading) produce +4 ammo, also you have Tansheron bow that produce +3 ammo (without elemental dmg) and Everard sling that produce +5 ammo (no elemental dmg).
I think those are the only ranged weapons that don't need ammo.

you're right, +4....

[UserUnfriendly]

Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
Okay, so if I used the Heavy Crossbow of Accuracy with +4 bolts, it still would be able to hit a lich?

yes!!!

jan's crossbow, the bruiser mate launcher will hit liches with +4 bolts...

[Elemental ZOOT]

I like cheese. *Sigh*

i guess some great weapons for characters are
Cheese Cannon
Cheese in a Can
Weazy Cheesey
I can't believe its not cheese.