Bedak Starkiller

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:47 am

Is there a "good"-way to do the bendak starkiller-bounty quest?
When i fight him in the arena i get DS-points.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:41 am

Nope: no way. Yes, it's pretty stupid. But then, the whole good/evil system in the game is pretty juvenile.

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:52 am

I laughed out loud when I realised that, in the Sunry quest, it was morally sound to bribe or force persuade the innkeeper to give false testemony, but forcing one of the witnesses to reveal genuine evidence earned DSP...

Bluemax · Post by **Bluemax** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:07 am

No there is no way to fight him and not gain DS points...there wouldnt be a point in getting LS points for dueling him for life without any other reason than to get money out of his death hehe

Bluemax · Post by **Bluemax** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:14 am

uhm well the whole dark and light side in the star wars universum (movies etc) could be described as pretty juvenile since it remembers more of an fairy tale eh but doesn´t take away the fun for many to watch it/play it/read it whatever.

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:47 am

There is certainly justification for getting LSP from killing Bendak. He has a government-issued bounty on his head; he duels in illegal deathmatches and kills people in cold blood. C'mon, use your imagination.

Bluemax · Post by **Bluemax** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:19 am

Lol well its not like Bendak killed any inocennt people in the deathmatches..they volunteered for it didn´t they? And according to the story bendak stopped duelling and was retired and hiding in the cantina cause of the bounty on his head(a govermental bounty by an oppressing taris goverment which cooperates with slave traders,criminals etc)....LS points are for the light side of the power and according to the jedi-codex etc its not their job to hunt bounties or to exterminate every being that could deserve (by whatever judgement) to be killed....if you can not realize the meaning of jedi codex then you deserve the DS point and are on your way to the ´dark side´ hehe j/k

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:32 am

The Jedi code's retarded, though. Plus it's not the be-all and end-all of good/bad. At the stage where you fight Bendak you haven't even heard the code - when I fought him, I actually thought I was doing a good deed by getting rid of a bloodthirsty killer. If submitting to a deathmatch is worth a darkside point, then Bendak himself would've been neck deep in fire and brimstone on the morality-o-meter...

tractrpl · Post by **tractrpl** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:13 pm

It doesn't really matter if you've heard of the Jedi Code. I view it very simply. If you have the choice of sparing a life, even an evil one, you are on the path of the light. If you take any life, even an evil one, if you have a chance to spare it without harming innocents, then you are following the dark path. Look at it from the Lord of the Rings Gandalf perspective, "Many live who deserve death, but many who die deserve life. Can you give it to them?" That's the philosophy I think the game designers took when they set up the system. Those who are rash and have a desire to deal death and judgement are a little bit towards the dark side, even though they are for the most part good.

Big Brother · Post by **Big Brother** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:24 pm

There are plenty of LSPs on Taris so taking a few DSPs (like the Dia bounty or geting T-3 for free) doesn't hurt.

Darth Anubis · Post by **Darth Anubis** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:40 pm

Originally posted by fable
Nope: no way. Yes, it's pretty stupid. But then, the whole good/evil system in the game is pretty juvenile.

That's the way it is. If you are killing people just to get money, then that's the DARK SIDE. Don't like it? Then stop "trying" to be Light Side when you're not.

Adm. Pellaeon · Post by **Adm. Pellaeon** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:36 pm

Originally posted by Big Brother
There are plenty of LSPs on Taris so taking a few DSPs (like the Dia bounty or geting T-3 for free) doesn't hurt.

But for maximum benefit (and an intent to ratchet up to LSM as soon as possible), try to kill Bendak as early as you can.

I don't know what the "reward" for killing Dia is, but I've found it best to get Hardan off her back and accept what she offers ... a meele weapon piece, the rarest one of the three. You don't need Dia's LS points, but a "good" Jedi-wannabe isn't going to do the evil option...

Quel-Droma · Post by **Quel-Droma** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:01 pm

Bastila already told it, didn't she?

"The Jedi do NOT believe in killing their prisoners, no matter what their crime"

I think that counts for wanted murderers, who aren't searched by the Jedi, too.

Darth Anubis · Post by **Darth Anubis** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:23 pm

Dia is no murderer, she just slashed the guy for harassing and threatening her.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:14 pm

Originally posted by Darth Anubis
That's the way it is. If you are killing people just to get money, then that's the DARK SIDE. Don't like it? Then stop "trying" to be Light Side when you're not.

Where does it say in any of KotoR's text that you've agreed to take on Starkiller because of the money? You're never asked to state your reasons. Had they offered you a choice of reasons, and you'd gone with

a) I'm after you, Starkiller, because I need the cash, and I'm...evil!

...then what you say would make sense. But if instead you wish to take on Starkiller because he's a killer--perhaps to avenge the lives he's taken--then of course, you're hardly evil enough to warrant DSPs. Or if you wish to take on the guy simply because he's set the terms of the match, and you wish to meet him on a field of honor to test your strength against his, knowing full well either of you may die--well, that's not evil at all, for it's the code of battle applied in the past by several native American cultures. And they're not inherently evil, either; at least, not IMO.

Feel free to play evil for money, Darth Anubis, if you wish. I hope you'll allow me in turn to play good or evil for whatever suits my purpose in a game, as long as it doesn't run counter to a statement in the text.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:37 pm

Tried to convince him in the arena that it was the wrong thing to do.

But then he tripped and fell into my Vibrosword.

(Nothing bad about that

)

Darth Anubis · Post by **Darth Anubis** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:50 pm

Originally posted by fable
Where does it say in any of KotoR's text that you've agreed to take on Starkiller because of the money? You're never asked to state your reasons. Had they offered you a choice of reasons, and you'd gone with

a) I'm after you, Starkiller, because I need the cash, and I'm...evil!

You're right. They should have added in the Light Side option:

b) I'm going to kill you. Not for the money, but I just want to kill you for the fun of it.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:00 pm

Originally posted by Darth Anubis
You're right. They should have added in the Light Side option:

b) I'm going to kill you. Not for the money, but I just want to kill you for the fun of it.

And thats Light side?

The way I see it, the method in which you combat Bendak is what gets you the DS points, because you are using an illegal method. If you were to simply bring him to justice, then it would be good, but since you kick him in the nuts in the death match (which just sounds evil, don't you think. The kick in the nuts, not the match

), you deserve the DS points, simply for your methodology.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:33 pm

Originally posted by Aegis
And thats Light side?

No, the LS is abstinence from battle. You are free to kill only when you catch somebody who is Evil(tm) directly threatening an elderly person, a child, or a woman who would look good in Bastila's starting outfit. Then, you are free to eviscerate, maim, kill, and of course steal all the belongings on their corpse.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:54 pm

Originally posted by fable
No, the LS is abstinence from battle. You are free to kill only when you catch somebody who is Evil(tm) directly threatening an elderly person, a child, or a woman who would look good in Bastila's starting outfit. Then, you are free to eviscerate, maim, kill, and of course steal all the belongings on their corpse.

Such were the ways of old, my Babylonian god