Need help with tactics

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 2:44 pm

KUROISAN!!!

blooming heck!

what can I do to him...the answer is nothing

I have a level 10/11 party...

Priest of Mystra (limited evocation spells in priest book)
Avaunis - Cerebral Knight
Sime - cleric/ranger multi
Kachiko - Kensai Mage dual
Yoshimo
Aerie

...is it possible or should I tuck CF away until later?

Sorry if you dont understand, I am using about 6 major mods (Oh how I love Horred the Plague)

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:10 pm

Kuroisan ....fun, fun fun

Don't you just love Kuroisan?

He's tough, but not impossible & Sanchuudoku is well worth it. The main thing to remember is that he starts off pretty much invulnerable, but most of his buffs will wear off. your party is a bit low level to make K an easy fight, but it's not impossible. A few things to remember:

1) His spawn can be somewhat predictable, so you can do spawn prep if you choose (traps, etc.)

2) wear him out with summons. At level 10/11, you don't have any scary summons, but a wand of monster summoning will keep him occupied. Just don't let him see any spellcasters

3) Check him out with SK, if you like - it'll give you a good idea of his gear & protections

4) Once his best protections and offensive spells are worn out, let him have it!

NB - he gives up quickly if he can't see you, so you can always evade him for now & fight later.

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:17 pm

Thanks

any ideas where to get a wand of monster summoning?

also, what is there that protects against melfs etc. that he constantly casts?

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:58 pm

hi,

you can use protection from acid scrolls, use two for full protection...or spell immunity conjuration

use zone of sweet air spell for his death clouds...

http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/cheese_guide.zip

i list one way to kill him easily in my guide...but here is a more EVIL way...

breach him, to drop his protection from energy. have a spell immune conjuration character, with fireshield red go right up to him...let kuro attack the character with fireshield red...

watch framerate drop to basement for about 10 seconds while feedback from fireshield to sanchu fries him in seconds...

laugh maniacally!!!!

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:30 pm

Hmm..

Minor globe of invulnerability will also protect against his acid backlash.

Wand of monster summoning? Geez, I'm not sure, I always have several, I know you can get one in Chateau Irenicus

If you use fireshield, be sure to have good combat defenses up, he chops people up pretty fast, even unbuffed.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:08 am

Re: Hmm..

Originally posted by nephtu
Minor globe of invulnerability will also protect against his acid backlash.

Wand of monster summoning? Geez, I'm not sure, I always have several, I know you can get one in Chateau Irenicus

If you use fireshield, be sure to have good combat defenses up, he chops people up pretty fast, even unbuffed.

ever used sanchu while fighting those afrits in windspear hills???

the ones that have fireshield up???

acid backlash FEEDBACK kills you in seconds...while it just stands there and laughs at you...

tyr it, you will be amazed..

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:35 am

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
hi,

breach him, to drop his protection from energy. have a spell immune conjuration character, with fireshield red go right up to him...let kuro attack the character with fireshield red...

watch framerate drop to basement for about 10 seconds while feedback from fireshield to sanchu fries him in seconds...

Why do you mean? Is the fire damage from the shield that kills him (I don't think so because the damage dealt by fireshield isn't very high, or not?), and the shield doesn't reflect any damage to the attacker (as for description). With the S.I. you are protected from the acid backlash, and you have some protection (?) from his melee damage (due to fire shield?), but how can you kill him I don't understand.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:36 am

I'd agree that running away is the best method.

Having had the bejaysus kicked out of the party a couple of times, when next he appeared we all scarpered toot sweet. Not as a tactical ploy, just as an "Ohmygodwe'reallgonnadie!" response.

Much to my surprise, he didn't persue - just stood there casting. After a little while, a couply of suitably-invisibled characters sneakied back; a Breach and a backstab or two made short work of the amoral obsessive.

B.

Sytze · Post by **Sytze** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:50 am

Or indeed debuff him with breach and then attack him with normal arrows/bolts/etc (ranged=better, since he might kill ya pretty fast in melee)

Worked like a charm for me....he keeps casting protection from magical weapons...so normal arrows will tear him apart

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:20 am

After several tries, i sort of figured out his spell routine, I think:

Start: Protection from magical weapons, Improved haste, mirror Image. He also wears the cloack of cheese and the ring of gaxx. He is immune to acid because of his sword, and he regenerates 1 hp/2seconds.

He casts the following spell after the dialogue:

Protection from Magical weapons
Protection from Magical weapons
Protection from Magical weapons
Protection from Magical weapons
Death Fog
Death Fog
Remove Magic
Remove Magic
Melf's Acid Arrow
Melf's Acid Arrow
Magic Missile
Magic Missile
Magic Missile

He has a contingent Protection from Magical weapons set to when he takes damage, and casts it again when the contingent one runs out.

Here's what I did:

My party:
Mr.WaeseL, human kensai 9/ Wizard 13
keldorn
jaheira
Yoshimo
Aerie
All with the same amount of Xp as Mr.WaeseL

As soon as I knew that he was coming next area transit, I chose the best place to fight him (which is the government district, IMO, you can just run in circles.)
However, while I expected to start at the north entrance, which is nice and wide, i started at the other small one, to the west. Luckily, he runs around for a few rounds before going serious. I let aerie cast haste, and Mr.WaeseL stoneskin (I came from trademeet). then keldorn tossed Mr.WaeseL The boots of aste, and a merry little chase started. Acid Fog? Protection from acid will help. magic missile? Shield helps. Melf's acid arrow? Protection from acid again. It is advisable to start buffing after he has cast his two Remove Magics. After he started casting Magic Missiles, I knew he was almost out of spells, adn cast breach, then charged with Mr.Waesel, keldorn, a Fire Elemental, and an Aeri(e)al servant (which was the battle's MVP. they rock.), while Yoshi, Aerie and Jaheira kept the heat on with missile wapons.. I cast breach against his Protection from Magical weapons, and finally chunked him with my aeri(e)al servant after some rounds of combat! Kuroisan was concetrating solely on Mr.WaeseL, who had memorized 2 Protection from Magical weapons

Sanchu was mine!!!!

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:38 am

Re: Re: Hmm..

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
ever used sanchu while fighting those afrits in windspear hills???

the ones that have fireshield up???

acid backlash FEEDBACK kills you in seconds...while it just stands there and laughs at you...

tyr it, you will be amazed..

Hmm..I'll have to try that. Like lompo, I'm a bit curious why it acts like that.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:48 pm

Re: Re: Re: Hmm..

Originally posted by nephtu
Hmm..I'll have to try that. Like lompo, I'm a bit curious why it acts like that.

its a feedback effect...

kuro attacks, damages npc...fireshield retaliates by damaging kuro with firedamage, sanchu retaliates by attacking npc with acid arrow, fireshield retaliates by damaging kuro with fire damage, sanchu retaliates by attacking npc with acid arrow...

if npc is immune to acid, or has spell immunity conjuration up, about 100 mutual assured destruction feedback later, kuro is dead, and your framerate goes back to normal.

this is why its important to breach him to remove his protection from energy, or he's immune to fire too...

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:07 pm

which spell merchants sell breach? I cant believe I havent found it yet, but there you go.

So far Ive found that once he starts attacking I cant do anything (he kill kachiko before i could tell her to move)

I did get at least one hit off a couple tries ago, but I cant work out how.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:04 pm

Originally posted by Mini Me
which spell merchants sell breach? I cant believe I havent found it yet, but there you go.

So far Ive found that once he starts attacking I cant do anything (he kill kachiko before i could tell her to move)

I did get at least one hit off a couple tries ago, but I cant work out how.

adventure mart...

ribauld...

also others in the prominade...2 for sure, maybe 3 spell scroll merchants.

breach works on everyone except liches...(remove or dispell magic)

breach will go right thru spell immunity abjuration (unlike remove magic/dispell) and only spell shield stops it...once...

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:51 am

Grrrr

I gave aerie 2 pro acid scrolls, spell immunity conjur, styoneskin, minor globe of invul, and fireshield blue, and breached kuro straight away, yet i cannot get you feedback loop to work!
and she just dies very quickly. I tried it with just 2 pro acid and FS:R on someone else but that didnt work either. help?

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 4:12 pm

Originally posted by Mini Me
Grrrr

I gave aerie 2 pro acid scrolls, spell immunity conjur, styoneskin, minor globe of invul, and fireshield blue, and breached kuro straight away, yet i cannot get you feedback loop to work!
and she just dies very quickly. I tried it with just 2 pro acid and FS:R on someone else but that didnt work either. help?

should have worked..hmmm...i know wes updated tactics in january, maybe the exploit no longer works??? was aerie stoneskinned and protected from magic weapons???

i don't know what to tell you...but my trick with unmagical bolts and heavy crossbow of searing should still work, listed in my cheese guide...

sorry...

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 5:19 pm

Feedback

I tried the feedback deal in reverse, to get rid of those pesky frost Salamanders in the improved Abazigal fight. It worked like a charm! I had Jan with Fireshield red AND Sanchuudoku, plus immunity to cold, just run in an attack the salamanders.

Bwa ha ha, they died like flies, he was handing out damage even during the time stops. A cool and elegent way of disposing of those pests, as compared to my totally brute force planetar swarm to deal with Tamah and Abazigal

Thanks, UU!

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 3:55 am

right i worked out what was missing

prot. from magical weapons

can anyone tell me the CLUA for it? (SK wont work with these mods)

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:08 am

SCRL7O - Protection from Magical Weapons

(not scroll seventy, but seven letter o)

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:58 am

I now have KAchiko with:

Spell Immunity Evocation (conjuration wasnt working against FS)
Prot Magic weapons
Stoneskin
FS:R
IMp. INvis (to avoid breaches)
Prot. from Acid (100%)

Now, I can get the feedback loop to work after about 3 breaches from aerie, BUT for some reason, on each backlash, kuro does 1 damage to kachiko. I cant work out where this 1 dmg is coming from.

Also, she is doing nothing to him except after each breach where she gets a hit in before another Prot. is cast.

Also, should I create a warding whip scroll and use that or will it not help?

YARGH he is driving me mad!